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A valid strategy for getting ripped imo.

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02 January 2018 at 09:19 AM
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They literally just let a dude drown, so I don't think "safety" is really on anyone's mind there.


by feel wrath k

Have you ever seen the footage of the Snatch event at the 09 CrossFit games? ‘Get to overhead in one movement’almost the only guideline. It’s some of the ugliest,
Most unsafe stuff you’ll ever see.’

My boy Commando Steve Willis gets a legal lift despite going to one knee to catch the weight and the press outs are truly remarkable

We're talking about professional weightlifters here though. What you described won't be an issue.


by NotThremp k

Eurosport has gotten rid of the British woman, which is probably why they are barely showing WLing.

I appreciate her stance against pressouts, while I'm not a purist of her level, **** them pressouts.

The discovery+ commentator says the person pulled too fast off the ground for like 75% of failed lifts.


I'm better off not having watched it then. RIP weird british lady obsessed with lockouts.


Watched the 102+ without commentary. Lasha looks like he's falling off, so still wins gold but doesn't snatch 220+ and could've lost if some guy hit a PB on C+J? That gut definitely has to be impeding his bar pathing. Christ.


I have recently learned of an entire subset of the Woo community who believes that all illness (ALL) is caused by psychological trauma which is treated by oil of oregano (get what you pay for obv) and umm... paying for $30 youtubes. Amusingly there is a 100% success rate if people purchase the correct supplements, but apparently there is r=1 for people who aren't treated and purchasing the wrong supplements.

Has anyone else experienced this? I found a few references to what seem to be highly intelligent but also very stupid medical professionals who can't understand that 90% of the battle is 1) don't be fat 2) exercise 3) don't smoke. And I guess #4 for invalids: not want to die.

Autistic but highly skilled professionals are kinda whatever. Plenty of people just don't pay attention to stuff. I was under the impression I developed asthma from a bacterial bronchitis infection coupled with super dry air and a dog that sheds infinitely. Now my third eye has been opened to the fact that it wasn't a bacterial infection, nor environmental factors, but that my childhood shame would hit most intensely when I was grooming the dog or exceptionally cold and dry days. Luckily my body has self purged the shame.

Maybe we can discuss how autoimmune conditions can be cured?


I'll tell you one thing for free, your childhood vaccines were the obvious culprits in developing autoimmune disease! Though this shame angle seems interesting as well, I'd subscribe to your newsletter if you charge at least $30 for each one.


by NotThremp k

They literally just let a dude drown, so I don't think "safety" is really on anyone's mind there.

Lol (respectfully.. rip)


I've been working as a personal trainer in a gym. But the weights are too heavy.

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So I put in my too weak notice


Oof.


by krunic k

I've been working as a personal trainer in a gym. But the weights are too heavy.

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So I put in my too weak notice

lmao, perfect


Krunic's been saving that one for years waiting for the perfect timing.

Nicely done. I actually enjoyed it.


Lol



HC but whatever

I pulled my training down to 3x/wk recently, then saw this video. Maybe a lot of us have just been doing too damn much. The latest clarence video discusses her as well, talking about how there can be some individual variation (for instance, he says he needed to squat 5x/wk to even maintain and if he took 2 days off his squat would get weaker). The standard advice is "train less when you're a beginner, then when you get more advanced your days per week increases. If you are on gear you can also train a lot more". Man... idk... maybe we should have all stayed at 3-4x/wk and the extra stimulus is mostly just us being neurotic and obsessive about our respective sports. And also a lot of people in the strength/bbing world model their training after the top dogs. The top dogs are often professionals who do it full time, and it'd be frankly ****ing weird to make your money from wl/bb and only go into the gym 3-4x/wk.

But in BB there have been several Olympia contenders who did 4x/wk. Dorian and Dennis Wolf were 4x/wk for less than an hour each session. But I haven't seen many people do 3x/wk besides the DC training OG program.


Yates also completely destroyed his body.

And pretty sure a top tier weightlifter is on like a 6-7m rest break for their singles. So they might attempt a bunch of 90% 1RM for 10 lifts, and somehow take two hours between some light squats and weird shoulder work (whatever them Chinese folks doing to squat jerk).

Lyle talking about his workouts at the Oly facility was always hilarious. Do something every 10-15min and eat candy in between.

But I think more to your point. There is a large envelope of "tolerable volume" on PEDs where you still make progress, but for people with real jobs it'd be generally better to err on the side of less work than the optimal amount within that envelope in lieu of spending 2hrs 6 days a week only to realize that you can spend half that time and make the same progress.


by NotThremp k

Yates also completely destroyed his body.

And pretty sure a top tier weightlifter is on like a 6-7m rest break for their singles. So they might attempt a bunch of 90% 1RM for 10 lifts, and somehow take two hours between some light squats and weird shoulder work (whatever them Chinese folks doing to squat jerk).

Lyle talking about his workouts at the Oly facility was always hilarious. Do something every 10-15min and eat candy in between.

But I think more to your point.

This is what I'm not sure about.... is it the same progress? Or is it sometimes actually BETTER progress because you get better recovery and even though you have fewer training sessions, you get much more out of each one because you're only ever training in a very recovered state. Obviously there can be a lot of bio-individuality, but gosh I'm not even sure if the professional North Korean and Chinese weightlifters she whooped at Phuket World Championships would not have been better off also dropping to 3-4x/wk and just ****ing sitting on the couch enjoying some television and snack food.

I don't claim to have an answer to this question, but I think there's still a non-zero possibility that 3-4x/wk is literally better than 5-9x/wk for strength sports and bodybuilding. As usual, however "it depends".

Chase Irons who I've posted in my log a few times is a 3.5x/wk guy (every other day training) and he got to 280lbs at 5'11 fairly lean with this weekend warrior approach and is pretty damn near contest shape at 240lbs.


So there is definitely some arbitrary level of volume that is "optimal" (ignoring 19291283 other factors), I'm simply saying that there is gonna be some level of "too little" that will correspond with a certain level of "too much" in terms of actual gains. And considering we all have other **** to do (h-games), one would be better served ending up on the "too little" side rather than the "too much" side.


Yeah I agree with that way of putting it. I'm testing it out for a few weeks and gonna try to do everything I can to not add a 4th day. We'll see how it goes!


Hi, can rotator cuff have DOMS at the beginning? ive had shoulder impingement for 10 years. This year ive been relatively pain free with doing YTWL exercises and decided to get a personal trainer. First day of push, my rotator cuffs was firing and 2 days after ive experienced excruciating impingement pain. Not being able to rotate my arm past my shoulder width and it trying to 'rebound' back inwards. This is the 5th day and its starting to ease up now and feeling better.

Now im stuck whether it was just doms in my shoulder rotator causing all this pain and impingement , or if it was actually impingement. I Dont know whether to do another push day or not.

for example, after first pull day, i couldnt put my arms straight for about a week. So could something similar be happening here where DOMS in rotator cuffs making not full mobility of them which then causing impingement, but over time it would be better once the DOMS stop

It wasnt exactly a heavy push day. just extreme beginner push day

10kg smith machine bench press, 4kg shoulder press dumbell, 1kg lateral raises, 10kg press machine.


Afaik genetics plays a huge role in what kind of lifting doses you need and how you respond to different kinds of training once you're past whatever your "beginner" phase is.

And ideally you want the biggest gains on the least amount of fatigue - i.e. there's no reason to up volume or especially intensity just because.


by NotThremp k

So there is definitely some arbitrary level of volume that is "optimal" (ignoring 19291283 other factors), I'm simply saying that there is gonna be some level of "too little" that will correspond with a certain level of "too much" in terms of actual gains. And considering we all have other **** to do (h-games), one would be better served ending up on the "too little" side rather than the "too much" side.

it's hard to disagree with any of this, albeit I choose the other side because I enjoy training and I enjoy the feeling I get during and after it and I'd rather have that 6 days a week than 3 or 4 days.


by The Yugoslavian k

Afaik genetics plays a huge role in what kind of lifting doses you need and how you respond to different kinds of training once you're past whatever your "beginner" phase is.

And ideally you want the biggest gains on the least amount of fatigue - i.e. there's no reason to up volume or especially intensity just because.

Same with PEDs and food. huge variation in tolerance 0

training is special because it's the part thats more tied to a persons identity because its so visible, so I think people are way more likely to overdo it when compared to food or PEDs.


Someone please explain to me why Americans believe that trump presidency=higher probability of world war iii. Given his track record of avoiding armed conflict and the democratic establishment being incredibly war hungry, I don't get it. Is there something deeper happening or is it as simple as TDS?

I think the latter, "trump bad. war bad. therefore trump like war. he dumb man, therefore he start ww3. my party good guys, we no do war". His foreign policy was relatively isolationist and he followed through on campaign promises of not entering armed conflict.

Somebody please call me a moron and explain rationally why I am wrong. I refuse to believe everyone is following the tard logic I outlined above...

to me it seems glaringly obvious that he's way less likely to send tax dollahs to Ukraine or Taiwan, and certainly not put boots on the ground. Israel... well... he's kinda stuck there... but lets not get into that... inflammatory.


I don't think women should be allowed to vote unless they are 1. Married (to a cishet male only, others dont count), 2. Diagnosed with autism, 3. have a STEM degree.

I don't actually believe that but I am trying to be edgy and inflammatory. I'd like it if you could pretend I think that and get mad.

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