2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
the actual meme is the opposite one by Colin which is the real one, and the objectively measurable one.
just hear Bill Clinton talking about illegal immigrants or just realize what the democratic party did about "trans rights" in 1995 (absolutely nothing as no one gave a **** about them at all) to admit it's obviously, objectively true that the move left was insane while the right is actually A LOT more moderate than it was when Goldwater was around.
Cope
Well no, you still don't get it. It depends on the circumstances of each particular case. The circumstances are that this case was based on a proven lie. Couple that with the fact that no-one was even charged let alone convicted then the conclusion that it was a hoax is a valid one.
Hope that helps with your confusion.
That's not what you said. You said that we could safely conclude it was a hoax because no one was charged.
And to be clear, I am not actually confused. I am mocking you.
Whatever happens, I have a very hard time believing Shapiro would have mattered
I think kamala made the right call picking the most unoffensive running mate possible who also carried the folksy good ol boy flyover **** biden had
Kamala’s biggest blue wall liability is Gaza, and, and it sucks to say this, I have a hard time believing a Jewish running mate helps that problem. Maybe shapiro helps deliver pennsyvania but I honest believe he loses Michigan
let's say Walz secures Michigan while Shapiro secures PA.
in many cases the difference doesn't matter but when it does, PA 19 EC votes matter more than Michigan 16 EC votes so you need Walz to carry something else to be preferable to Shapiro
Whatever happens, I have a very hard time believing Shapiro would have mattered
I think kamala made the right call picking the most unoffensive running mate possible who also carried the folksy good ol boy flyover **** biden had
Kamala’s biggest blue wall liability is Gaza, and, and it sucks to say this, I have a hard time believing a Jewish running mate helps that problem. Maybe shapiro helps deliver pennsyvania but I honest believe he loses Michigan
There is a world where trump wins PA and loses MI but I think Shapiro pulls through PA since it seems PA people love that guy, not sure what he has done thats made him popular since i dont know his politics but online reading about him seems a lot of PA are favorable of him.
I think a lot of people are going to be disspointed if they are voting harris thinking isreal and US arent going to be mostly status quo. IIRC more democrats are still pro isreal than not and going by the house and senate its still same as always. her admin won't change that
I don't think shapiro hurts her MI chances since that % of votes she wants in MI is a big enough difference
edit* also want to say out of all the swing states PA is the one that has fluctuated from BIDEN actually being a fav to harris being a fav yet here we are where its 50/50 or according to some polls that favor harris that its trump slightly edging out as of today.
the important part is that democratic leadership pushed the dossier all chances it had, while it was complete fabrication *which they themselves fabricated on purpose* paying for it.
it was literally an hoax.
Adam Schiff, the skinwalker, yes.
Hillary clinton sort of. She moreso seemed to think he was too stupid to not be manipulated by Putin, which I think is right. But the neocons were closer (proximity) to him than Putin so they were able to push their policies on him because he’s an incompetent weak and ineffective leader (in politics, dunno about in business)
you are intellectually honest.
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But there are some areas that the federal government should not leave and should address and address strongly. One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration. After years of neglect, this administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders. We are increasing border controls by 50 percent. We are increasing inspections to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants. And tonight, I announce I will sign an executive order to deny federal contracts to businesses that hire illegal immigrants.
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This was B. Clinton in 1996, state of the union address
I dont fully buy the trump is ahead in PA. but I do believe hes made some serious momentum there in the last few weeks. I do believe that early voting/registering is better for republicans than it was in 2020 I buy that stat.
If someone says whoever wins PA wins the election, I am not going to argue that.
whomever wins PA has a 90-95% chance of winning the election
as I said whoever says that or even 99% etc im not gonna argue that. I bought when SIlver said Shapiro not being it for harris might be costly while JD did absolutely nothing but potential -ev for trump. I thought she was going for shapiro I really did. Walz wasnt a bad choice just thoguth shapiro made more sense overall
shapiro isn't even super popular in pa, approval rating ~55%. plus they're already pretty maxed out with the "yes all muslims deserve to die, and i hope they burn in hell" vote. they even sent bill clinton and richie torres to personally deliver that message to michigan, what more do you want? there's literally no pleasing some of you freaks
plus there's all the extra baggage with him; the sexual harassment stuff, how he probably helped his friend cover up a murder, etc. there's a reason why the republicans wanted him to be the pick...
this is the first time they (538) have gone out and said trump is in the lead
I am actually surprised. I guess there is data that trump is doing better than we all thought in PA.
still a coinflip but would shapiro had made this easier? I think silver is right on that regardless if she wins
538 has had trump leading for weeks now.
you are intellectually honest.
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But there are some areas that the federal government should not leave and should address and address strongly. One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration. After years of neglect, this administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders. We are increasing border controls by 50 percent. We are increasing inspections to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants. And tonight, I announce I will sign an executive order to deny fe
This is out of the event space of the meme.
The meme is from 2012-2024.
Trying to consider what a center right person from 2012 would think is different than what a center-right person from 1996 would think.
And remember, in 1996, Clinton was campaigning to the right in order to shore up support (triangulation technique).
But in general by the time 2012 roles around people that were happily center right were probably not huge on being anti-illegal immigration, not huge on nativism, probably ambivalent about abortion or pro-choice, pro-civil unions, anti-discrimination against trans, same foreign policy as Kamala now maybe a tad more hawkish, and probably happy with Biden/Harris energy policy.
Huge universal tariffs, anti-free trade, pro-authoritarianism is not quintessential 2016 center-right.
And I don’t think you could quote a single speech where Clinton advocated for the largest deportation since Operation *******.
There is a world where trump wins PA and loses MI but I think Shapiro pulls through PA since it seems PA people love that guy, not sure what he has done thats made him popular since i dont know his politics but online reading about him seems a lot of PA are favorable of him.
I think a lot of people are going to be disspointed if they are voting harris thinking isreal and US arent going to be mostly status quo. IIRC more democrats are still pro isreal than not and going by the house and senate its
I have made my stance on USA/Israel known plenty of times ITT, but I think there are just enough people in Michigan who make this their calling that the VP of biden being the president and a Jewish man being the VP is a non-starter
I honestly have to imagine that was part of the calculus of not taking him. Not saying it’s a good thing, but optics matter more than anything else
That's not what you said. You said that we could safely conclude it was a hoax because no one was charged.
And to be clear, I am not actually confused. I am mocking you.
Well yes, I was trying to simplify it for idiots. Obviously there are other nuances that go into it.
And I could care less what you think about anything anyway. I was actually mocking you ironically.
This is out of the event space of the meme.
The meme is from 2012-2024.
Trying to consider what a center right person from 2012 would think is different than what a center-right person from 1996 would think.
And remember, in 1996, Clinton was campaigning to the right in order to shore up support (triangulation technique).
But in general by the time 2012 roles around people that were happily center right were probably not huge on being anti-illegal immigration, not huge on nativism, probably ambivale
tariffs and anti free trade is LEFTISM YES, not radical right-wing lol.
it's no-global Seattle riots.
Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act.
it was basically unamerican and fully incompatible with both main parties to not be fully against illegal immigration back then, to not consider that one of the biggest threats to the nation.
normies were all against illegal immigration like MAGA people are today, it was uncontroversial.
and any mention of "trans rights" would have got an harsher response in any Democratic group than it would get today in a maga group. it was a non existent issue no normal people spent a minute per year about.
I think there are just enough people in Michigan who make this their calling that the VP of biden being the president and a Jewish man being the VP is a non-starter
him being jewish isn't a non-starter. him being a proud zionist who has said crazy **** about this, comparing genocide protesters to the kkk, etc is the problem
anyway who cares, he sucks and is irrelevant
shapiro isn't even super popular in pa, approval rating ~55%. plus they're already pretty maxed out with the "yes all muslims deserve to die, and i hope they burn in hell" vote. they even sent bill clinton and richie torres to personally deliver that message to michigan, what more do you want? there's literally no pleasing some of you freaks
plus there's all the extra baggage with him; the sexual harassment stuff, how he probably helped his friend cover up a murder, etc. there's a reason why the
As I've always said, conspiracy idiocy isn't exclusive to any particular political ideology.
my god this is going to be so fun if it goes the way I think it will.
Been betting on RH for the election. As you know the bet is who is confirmed by Congress as President so it pays out in January.
Is Bovada similar for requirements + payout time?
I wish that I could say joe6pack was insightful, funny, surprising, thought-provoking, or controversial. I even would settle for angry. But there is just nothing noteworthy about his body of work. It's just an endless stream of prison food. Sure, you can consume it. But you almost certainly are better off eating something else.
him being jewish isn't a non-starter. him being a proud zionist who has said crazy **** about this, comparing genocide protesters to the kkk, etc is the problem
anyway who cares, he sucks and is irrelevant
I never thought Shapiro was relevant, he had massive baggage that trump/Vance would have leaned on for the last few months, true or not, and I didn’t see any broad appeal other than ‘something something PA’
You keep reading all this ‘did kamala make a mistake not taking Shapiro as her running mate’ and all I can think is….no?
Trying to consider what a center right person from 2012 would think is different than what a center-right person from 1996 would think.
One thing that needs to be considered is people like me make the distinction between left, center, and right. I absolutely cannot stand many policies of the left, but there is no way in hell I will let myself be associated with the current crop of conservative lunacy and the orange-headed scammer that leads them. It makes the comparison between left and right nonlinear.
