Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Churchill was not part of the left wing goverment of 1945.
Left wing is not utopian. Portraying it that way to win arguments makes the argument very weak.
The word "utopian" is not integral to the argument at all. Replace it with whatever word you feel is best.
UK had Churchill asPM in 1945. After he was voted out the government did not immediately turn into a leftist country much less a leftist society. Once again, you are using this word in the traditional sense, and not the way that the people my question is posed towards use it. In their world, using their definitions, Trump is a liberal.
The only actual leftist nation/society I have seen mentioned in the last couple of pages is the USSR and the only political leader would therefore be Stalin. Do you think that UK in 1945 was similar to the USSR around that time? Do you think Attlee was similar to Stalin? Or we could just ask them if they think that at any point in the past few thousand years that UK has been leftist.
To reiterate: when asked the hypothetical question of what a leftist nation would do if they were invaded the two answers we have so far is to use evil, liberal slavery, or to pray that evil liberal nations provide enough of a buffer that an invasion never occurs and they never invade on their own. 1945 UK would be one of those evil liberal nations resorting to slavery to provide the buffer, even if they had a far left government.
Then you're just asking about Stalinism. Not a fan so what?. We can't draw on other great examples from the past because we dont have any. The hypothetical question has to be addressed by considering development of left wing views.
That is what I do and the answer I gave on conscription etc stands. Nothign about 'leftist' is hurt by your arguments unless you insist being leftist means being stalinist.
To reitterate: We try to deter and then we fight if we have to. Conscription may even be a last resort although we plan to avoid it.
I dont think definitions settle arguments but they can aid the conversation
Dictionary
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leftist
/ˈlɛftɪst/
noun
noun: leftist; plural noun: leftists
a person with left-wing political views.
"these values are shared by many leftists"
adjective
adjective: leftist
having or relating to left-wing political views.
"leftist groups"
What is the leftist ideology?
Ideological groupings
Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".
- google 'leftist'
Yes the government of 1945 in the Uk was confortably leftist by google standards
I accept a much further left version for the purposes of discussion. Also where I sit.
It was a joke bro. Because there is a contingent here who actually thinks the mods here are leftist, and we were talking about leftism, and one of the mods said we weren't asking any questions about moderation, you see.
You accused him of cheering his friends on in beheading babies.
That’s obviously outside the scope of what is acceptable for debating military strategy.
No, he told me to go and make some lattes, implying I'm some sort of snowflake barrista(?), which I'm not, so I suggested he go and cheer his mates on. I didn't accuse him of doing that.
decision orthoganal to being leftist or rightist imo
But is it stochastically orthogonal or astochastically orthogonal?
To be clear, I'm not complaining about the infraction or the temp from that thread given the mod rules (though moderation is almost always unnecessary per se). I wanted to set the record straight and also point out that "ZOMG modz are leftists" is such bollocks that only someone whos too far gone on the right would say about libs.
To be clear, I'm not complaining about the infraction or the temp from that thread given the mod rules (though moderation is almost always unnecessary per se). I wanted to set the record straight and also point out that "ZOMG modz are leftists" is such bollocks.
If you mean the record about leftists being humourless, consider it straightened.
None of you actually know my politics from what I can tell..
I disagree. Your x axis is ****ed.
