Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Hm to be honest it looks quite clear to me that Israel wants to build a buffer no-go zone inside Lebanon so that Hez or anyone else cannot rebuild infrastructure to easily attack in the future.
Then why have they left the region that Hezbollah has never had any control over untouched? Israel has not stated they are unwilling to let Lebanese come back to the border in previously Hezbollah controlled areas.
They are stating they insist on maintaining surveillance and ultimate military control over said areas, until Lebanon/UN show the will and capacity to keep Hezbollah and other Iranian proxy militias out.
Then why have they left the region that Hezbollah has never had any control over untouched? Israel has not stated they are unwilling to let Lebanese come back to the border in previously Hezbollah controlled areas.
They are stating they insist on maintaining surveillance and ultimate military control over said areas, until Lebanon/UN show the will and capacity to keep Hezbollah and other Iranian proxy militias out.
Why would they need to bomb a non Hezbollah controlled area?
I don't think that most in Iran, including near the very top, want to retaliate.
Unfortunately I think this is true of last time too, and dictators get the last say.
If you think about it it's a very small percentage of people who are the trouble makers in this conflict. Unfortunately they are capable of spreading their hateful propaganda that effects many of it's people. Get rid of the fanatics in Iran, "Palestine", and Israel and we would have peace.
I sincerely feel bad for the Lebanese
If resolution 1701 was upheld there would be no issue
The current ceasefire agreements call for the Lebanese army to control the border and make sure Hezbollah is demilitirized. That is near impossible, they aren't strong enough
Israel will have to keep a presence
You've never worked frontline in a service industry, have you? I assure you the baristas making lattes for $13/hr are not living a life of leisure.
Not that it matters, but I actually worked service jobs as a student.
Again, you are missing the point. I'm not claiming they are financially well off. But they are living an easy life, with no real responsibility, not advancing themselves, all the while being very self assured of their understanding of conflicts over seas.
Enough with this derail
Then why have they left the region that Hezbollah has never had any control over untouched? Israel has not stated they are unwilling to let Lebanese come back to the border in previously Hezbollah controlled areas.
They are stating they insist on maintaining surveillance and ultimate military control over said areas, until Lebanon/UN show the will and capacity to keep Hezbollah and other Iranian proxy militias out.
They are still hoping non-muslims in Lebanon can take back all power and get in charge. In which case the nogo buffer zone will only include ex hez-controlled areas. Otherwise they expand to all the border.
If you think about it it's a very small percentage of people who are the trouble makers in this conflict. Unfortunately they are capable of spreading their hateful propaganda that effects many of it's people. Get rid of the fanatics in Iran, "Palestine", and Israel and we would have peace.
A big part of the Abraham accords is reeducation
In UAE and Morroco they no longer teach that Jews are evil and that Israel must be destroyed. They are taught that Israel is our strong ally and trade partner
After Saudi joins the accords, a lot will change. It will take several decades for countries like Iran and Iraq to change their education systems but I do believe it will eventually happen
Jalfrezi, please take a timeout from this thread until 12:00 AM Eastern Time.
To everyone, absolutely ENOUGH with the dead beheaded babies stuff. Victor, you’ve been down that road before. You know better.
IMBLUEtheONE, stop provoking people with personal comments.
You may NOT speak to each other that way and make inflammatory accusations. That’s now what this thread is for.
Infractions have gone out as well. I will close this thread if you all can’t get it together.
Not that it matters, but I actually worked service jobs as a student.
Again, you are missing the point. I'm not claiming they are financially well off. But they are living an easy life, with no real responsibility, not advancing themselves...
How is not being financially well off an easy life without responsibilities? What the heck are you even talking about here?
The barista thing was an obvious reference, not a literal claim. It’s enough now. Drop it.
In its yearlong campaign in Gaza, Israel has stood out by carrying out an open campaign on hospitals, besieging and raiding at least 10 of them across the Gaza Strip, some several times,
The AP spent months gathering accounts of the raids on al-Awda, Indonesian and Kamal Adwan Hospitals, interviewing more than three dozen patients, witnesses and medical and humanitarian workers as well as Israeli officials.
It found that Israel has presented little or even no evidence of a significant Hamas presence in those cases.
No jewish settlement in Gaza does not imply that Israel won't have a military presence in Gaza during the transition to a non terrorist government by the way
Israel has no right to choose the government of the Palestinians and the Palestinians have every right to use armed resistance when they do.
Israel has no right to choose the government of the Palestinians and the Palestinians have every right to use armed resistance when they do.
We don't care about having the right, or not. We will be involved in setting a governing body in Gaza.
The Palestinians in gaza had the right to self govern them selves. They abused that right and lost it for now.
Having a right, any right for that matter, is not without its limitations. And abusing a right bares a harsh consequences.
I have a right to freedom, movment and such. If I commit a crime, I will lose said right.
they can try to set up a comprador occupation government but the Palestinians will continue to fight as is their right.
if Israel wanted peace, which ofc they dont, then they would **** off back to the 1967 borders.
they can try to set up a comprador occupation government but the Palestinians will continue to fight as is their right.
if Israel wanted peace, which ofc they dont, then they would **** off back to the 1967 borders.
also, lol at your claim the Palestinians have the right to choose their government. have you ever contested for said right before the war? because the Palestinians in Gaza haven't had the right to choose for 17 years now. and in the west bank they never had the right. have you ever protested that?
also, you all ignored Clinton's speech on the offers that the Palestinians were given by Israel, and how they rejected them.
also, this claim really shows you know nothing about the conflict and about the Palestinians demands. Please educate yourself, before arguing here.
one more wonder about the fake outrage for Palestinians.
Arabs born in Israel have Israeli citizenships, not including east Jerusalem, where most Arabs there refused to except the citizenship.
however, in Jordan for instance, there are many many second and even third generation Palestinians, with no citizenships. same is in all Arab countries.
not one of the Palestinians supporters raised any concern about that fact and ofc no one argued that those are apartheid states.
are we really supporting Palestinians rights...
