Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

[QUOTE=Crossnerd]Edit: RULES FOR THIS THREAD

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by Bluegrassplayer k

I have not done that. I have asked some pertinent questions that you shy away from consistently like you've been doing for years. You prefer to attack, not have your views attacked.

What misinformation?

I made it my new years resolution not to answer bad faith questions. just got around to implementing it.


and in other news the UK is arresting elderly Holocaust descendants for speech violations


by Bluegrassplayer k

That doesn't answer my question. Please no obviously troll posts like that, isn't that about what got my post deleted?

It’s not a troll. I’m very serious. Use your specially requested permission to put him on ignore. Then we don’t have to do this dance anymore.


I will be using my special privelege to ban him before I do that.


If he's now going to cry that every question against him is "dishonest" so he is therefore no longer going to discuss things in good faith with others, then perhaps tell him to ignore the posters he plans to do that to.


Actually, Victor and BGP, please take a timeout from this thread until 12:00 AM Eastern Time, when hopefully you’ve both gotten over your nonsense.


by Bluegrassplayer k

I will be using my special privelege to ban him before I do that.

If you ban him for posts made in this forum, I will have you demodded.

Get out of this thread now, and if you ignore this, expect problems. We’re not in your forum, we’re in mine.


by Bill Haywood k

The Yishuv helped the British put down the Arab revolt in 1938 and had considerable training and experience. In contrast the Arab armies were from brand new nations, often still deeply influenced by the British.

no no and no.

do i need to fact check every post from you. its to much work.


by Victor k

and in other news the UK is arresting elderly Holocaust descendants for speech violations

A lot of Jews are descendants of Holocaust survivors. The ones who survived had kids, and the ones who didn’t, didn’t. From the media coverage, you’d think Jews make up 80% of the Free Palestine movement.


Ironically a lot of the Jews that are not descendants of holocaust survivors were the ones living in Israel at the time. Almost like there’s a lesson to be learned there.


by checkraisdraw k

Ironically a lot of the Jews that are not descendants of holocaust survivors were the ones living in Israel at the time. Almost like there’s a lesson to be learned there.

Exactly.

Ill give my own family anecdote. My great grandfather from my mother's side had 5 siblings in Poland, all married, all with kids.

He was the only one from the family who made Aliyah (in 1904), as he did not had kids yet and was able to up root himself. he had two kids in Israel (my grandfather and his sister).

in 1939, we had a family of almost 150 close relatives.

In 1945 the family was downsized to 4.


Some good news from Israel.

We are on the verge of a serious coalition crisis.

Our supreme court ruled a few months ago that the state cannot subsidized the ultra-Orthodox "jewish people", that do not serve in the army and were not exempted by law.

The two ultra-Orthodox parties demanded to enact a law that will allow the subsidy.

First, one or two coalition members voiced their objection to enacting such a law, but as of today, as more coalition members joined them, the coalition doesn't have the majority needed.

in return, the ultra-Orthodox parties are giving a final ultimatum to Bibi and threating to dissolve the coalition and send us to an election.

Please hold fingers!


by Crossnerd k

Also not allowed, and you know that.

Stop attacking one another or there will be infractions and all the other bullshit.

Sorry but can poster's not be called on perceived double standards or being contradictory?


by corpus vile k

Sorry but can poster's not be called on perceived double standards or being contradictory?

You can discuss ideology, I just don’t want the Nazi stuff started up again


by DoyleBrunsonFan k

A lot of Jews are descendants of Holocaust survivors. The ones who survived had kids, and the ones who didn’t, didn’t. From the media coverage, you’d think Jews make up 80% of the Free Palestine movement.

maybe. certainly it seems that when Jewish people protest they often get a lot of attention and "signal boosting."

but that wasnt really my point with posting that. it was just to show how bad the crackdown's on speech and demonstration in the UK is.


It hasn't made the main press yet. Not at all clear what the specifics are if any exist though I susepct it's for this: (I assume it's okay to post)

They’re really good at killing babies. They’re really good at killing women and old men. But they cannot fight the resistance. They have lost every single time.”

fwiw he was release without charge.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...

1 million per returned hostage plus amnesty

Hamas should take this deal

They probably will not


by metsandfinsfan k

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...

1 million per returned hostage plus amnesty

Hamas should take this deal

They probably will not

"amnesty"


by metsandfinsfan k

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...

1 million per returned hostage plus amnesty

Hamas should take this deal

They probably will not

Amnesty seems extremely generous. I’m honestly shocked.


by metsandfinsfan k

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...

1 million per returned hostage plus amnesty

Hamas should take this deal

They probably will not

We all know they will be hunted by Mossad for the rest of their lives and die very painful deaths if they accept anyway


by Crossnerd k

Amnesty seems extremely generous. I’m honestly shocked.

it's an amnesty for "official" legal purposes, but extrajudiciary killings stay on the table


Safe passage out of Gaza, but where would they go? Which country is going to take them?


by Crossnerd k

Safe passage out of Gaza, but where would they go? Which country is going to take them?

Qatar already hosts many of them, that's not the issue i think


by Luciom k

Qatar already hosts many of them, that's not the issue i think

Does Qatar want to go on the public world record for taking low-level kidnappers with unspoken bounties on their heads?


you think that Israel wont just kill anyone who takes this deal?

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