Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
I hope so, as I just stated.
He used to be a mod
You are trolling me. (This is a joke stating that you blew my mind that 27o was a mod, I am literally saying you are trolling me)
This has been going on for over 2 years. I think the first time I told a mod here that I was at the end of my good behavior was over a year ago.
It's been overheating for a long time. I don't not want to be part of a site that is doing what this sub is doing. But thanks for compliment, I feel the same about you.
If you are at the end of your good behavior, then please see yourself out.
Do not post in this forum for the rest of the night. It’s not acceptable to openly claim you will not behave well here because your desires have not been ceded. NOBODY else has that privilege.
I mean this from the bottom of my heart, if you ignore this then I will follow through on making sure you cannot post here anymore. It’s enough. I can’t temp you. Consider this your temp from this forum.
PM me if you want, but it’s enough for tonight
Good lord, BGP has lost it completely.
thank you d2 I did.
The isra/palest thread legit keeps 98% of the spew and vitriol n this forum contained in that thread
What if we make a special rule for victor that he can’t tell people they like to see dead babies/brown people? That seems like it would prevent 90% of the problem
your entrance to the i/p thread was to tell us that you largely agree with victor's sentiments
What if we make a special rule for victor that he can’t tell people they like to see dead babies/brown people? That seems like it would prevent 90% of the problem
there are in fact special rules around dead baby talk, accusations of antisemitism and personal attacks, and some of them are enforced
That’s right. The rules are it was acceptable for people to repeat made up stories about beheading babies in Israel over and over again, but real babies with their heads blown off in Palestine should not be mentioned.
motion to have I/P moderation discussion moved to the I/P thread.
Just ban Victor. If CN won’t do it, someone else should.
CN, with all due respect, you have no credibility until you ban him.
His personal attacks and “boundary testing” are unrelenting even just in the snippets that get through my ignore via other people’s quotes.
Regardless of how much you feel sympathetic toward his positions, you have to be willfully blind to not see Victor is cancerous to civil discussion and is unwilling or unable to do better.
Here are my two cents.
Victor is misanthropic. He hates BGP. He hates most posters here. He probably hates himself. He thinks that he loves the oppressed people of the world, but if a Palestinian refugee started posting on 2+2, he probably would end up hating that poster as well. Victor also is a habitual line-stepper. It is almost impossible to have a normal conversation with him because his main goal is to be inflammatory. It is much, much easier to have a substantive discussion with BGP than it is with Victor.
BGP wasn't serious about using his green status to ban Victor.
BGP's endless complaints about how Victor is moderated are beyond ****ing irritating. And because BGP apparently mods some forum here, he must know how irritating his complaining is and not give a ****. If BGP wants to self-permaban, he can do it and he knows how to do it. Any suggestion to the contrary is disingenuous.
Just ban Victor. If CN won’t do it, someone else should.
CN, with all due respect, you have no credibility until you ban him.
His personal attacks and “boundary testing” are unrelenting even just in the snippets that get through my ignore via other people’s quotes.
Regardless of how much you feel sympathetic toward his positions, you have to be willfully blind to not see Victor is cancerous to civil discussion and is unwilling or unable to do better.
Your annoyance at seeing some responses to someone you have on ignore does not and should not take precedence over other people's right to chat with him.
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I'd wager that where people stand on banning Victor depends on their stance on Palestine.
Just ban Victor. If CN won’t do it, someone else should.
CN, with all due respect, you have no credibility until you ban him.
His personal attacks and “boundary testing” are unrelenting even just in the snippets that get through my ignore via other people’s quotes.
Regardless of how much you feel sympathetic toward his positions, you have to be willfully blind to not see Victor is cancerous to civil discussion and is unwilling or unable to do better.
I don't think he should be banned I just think posters who are annoyed by him should stick him on ignore even if he whinges about them. I don't think his quoted posts are a major issue those who have him on ignore should simply scroll past such things.
Victor's dead baby jokes are in bad form and will cease. IF ! I were to ever open the I/P thread and see anyone post a dead baby joke.... I would perm.
BGP is just as argumentative and should (as others have suggested) use the friggin scroll wheel. He started out as a voice of clarity and reason in the I/P thread and I have told him that exactly...... but has a tough time scrolling past Victor. I prefer he chooses a different mountain to die on.
CN is the real deal. But she has an impossible "job" of regulating discussion in an impossible thread. No one should be put through the wringer for doing such an impossible job. TRY POSTING BETTER CONTENT!
