2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
I think the dems should stick their heads in the sand and shut the **** for a while.
Nobody wants to listen to predictable scripted talking points that nobody believes but expects to hear over and over in a lame attempt to garner someone's political interest. That doesn't drive turnout.
Bernie was perceived as a radical but he was humble, spoke off the cuff and most importantly, gave the perception that he meant what he said. The dude almost took down Hillary when he was expected to get curb sto
lol no. I don’t think the dems should shut up while the guy that tried to steal an election in 2020 and has promised to sell Ukraine out to Russia for any offer that will end the war is in the white house.
I’m just not interested in being the meek opposition party, in fact that’s the exact opposite of what we need right now. but I agree that the dem establishment and the political consultants should shut up and preferably get the hell out of our party and go into business or something else. I’m tired of these people that have no idea what’s going on being in charge, that’s for sure.
Well since you asked, people are fed up with the dems. Their arrogance and moral superiority could not be more off putting. Anyone voting for Trump is called a nazi, hitler supporter, racist, etc. Add in the MSM that covered up for Biden's dementia until the debate, Harris saying she wouldn't do anything differently that Biden has (um, wow), and here we are.
did Biden lawfully win the election in 2020 or was it rigged?
And so accusations of a "Big Steal" in this vote, then trying to change ballots and run in fake electors in the name of justice is cool by you? You're in a helluva spot, aren't you? You don't get to just say you're for stronger elections, you have to say you are fine with overturning this one. Or it's just more lying.
My personal opinion is that elections are so important they should be under extremely close scrutiny every single time, and even one fraudulent ballot needs to be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You can't ****ing do that without a chain of custody though, and a chain of custody requires some kind of identity verification. I received two ballots in the mail for the previous owners of our house. I could have easily filled out both with my candidate of choice and mailed them in, and no one would have discovered the fraud. I didn't, because I believe in election integrity. But I guarantee you it's been done thousands maybe millions of times, and that's not ok with me, regardless of who wins. So yes, I think there needs to be more scrutiny, and I don't think the scrutiny Rs showed in 2020 was bad. It certainly wasn't a goddamn crime like Ds made it out to be. It's a sacred duty as an honest citizen to point out crime/fraud wherever one potentially sees it, and it's your sacred duty as a citizen to allow that to happen.
Blame for dem loss ranked:
1. Biden not stepping away sooner
2. Uninformed voters, misinformation, propaganda
3. White people
4. 100 day campaign
5. Dems not doing a primary
6. Fringe reasons including racism and misogyny
Agree with this.
Most people posting know more about potential good Dem candidates than me. If Biden would have announced he's not running early on, who is someone that would be live to beat Trump's 74mil votes? I'm pessimistic about their talent pool.
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Biden won 2020. And yet here we are. You asked why the Dems lost. I told you why.
The best is the "blame the voters" tactic. Christ, talk about an escape from reality.
I’m sure there are some very silly ways people advocate for dems just like there are some very silly ways that people advocate for republicans. the question is moreso why they lost from a big picture standpoint rather than focusing on individual issues without putting them into some credence paradigm where we assess which issue is more important.
Sometimes it’s not even what’s being said it’s the messaging. Vote shaming can be… “if you don’t vote, you’re going to lose your country”. Somehow it’s ok when Trump does it but not Dems. Or it’s RFK Jr saying “don’t vote for me in a swing state because I don’t want to split the vote”.
Functionally each party in a two party system is elected by the voters that sit out or vote third party, but the question is how to motivate them to show up. Probably pure shame is a bad tactic but that’s generally actually not what Kamala did. So this is sort of the problem I have with people trying to do an external critique of the party from the opposition, especially one that I think is as dangerous as the Republicans are. But turnabout is fair play I suppose, I would do the same thing to you guys.
Blame for dem loss ranked:
1. Biden not stepping away sooner
2. Uninformed voters, misinformation, propaganda
3. White people
4. 100 day campaign
5. Dems not doing a primary
6. Fringe reasons including racism and misogyny
I don't agree.
I think the single reason that Kamala lost was inflation after Covid. It affected a lot of people in a very negative way and they blamed Biden for it. Regardless of the fact that inflation is now at 2.4% and the Fed started reducing interest rates, the prices that went up are still up. Only gas basically has reduced back to under $3/gallon. But even that is higher than during Coivid when gas prices plummeted.
Number 2 for me would be Kamala's inability to deal with this issue immediately and in interviews and the debate. What Biden did regarding inflation was very good compared to every other country that had it. And all countries had it after Covid. Kamala should have stood up for Biden there and explained how opening the borders actually reduced food prices in the US. That Trump's national emergency shutdown of the border meant that billions of tons of food never got picked in the US and was one of the reasons for the surge in inflation.
Number 3 would be housing costs (which really is part of inflation). The price of housing has gone way up (in part because of AirBnB. In part because of the massive increase in rent prices. And in part because of mortgage interest rates. There are a lot of people affected by this. And it wasn't addressed in a real way by Kamala. Biden never dealt with this. Not sure what he could have done but it would have been much better than student loans.
Number 4 for me would be that she is a woman. There are men of all races who just wouldn't vote for a woman. Ironically many Hispanic men didn't. And I have heard people recently speak to the issue. So it isn't clear if Whitmer could have won if she had been the nominee.
Number 5 for me would be Biden not stepping away sooner. And also Biden shouldn't have chosen the candidate. If Biden hadn't run at all it would have been wide open. Still I think no matter who ran they would have had to deal with inflation. And likely lost anyway.
There are a lot of reasons why the Democrats lost. A reason not talked about is the Palestinian protests and occupying of schools. The liberals coddled these people and allowed them to dictate where Jews could and could not go on campus. I remember watching this in disbelief and thinking the libs are going down for this. Every day Americans saw this happening inside their country. This happened under the Biden/Harris watch. Obviously watching a frail old man as President fall down all of the time was not what people wanted to see from their President. They want a strong man. They want a leader. This is why they chose Trump.
The Democrats need to distance themselves from the progressive weirdos. They need to move to the middle.
Well since you asked, people are fed up with the dems. Their arrogance and moral superiority could not be more off putting. Anyone voting for Trump is called a nazi, hitler supporter, racist, etc. Add in the MSM that covered up for Biden's dementia until the debate, Harris saying she wouldn't do anything differently that Biden has (um, wow), and here we are.
The reality is incumbents are losing re-elections all over the world. Covid ****ed the whole world and people are unhappy about it.
Based on the information we have, I actually think the main reason is general dissatisfaction with life and not any specific alignment with Trump ideology, which was identified as too "extreme" despite winning the election.
When morons want to gloat that their core issues are why their guy won the election I just have to laugh because you are so incredibly biased you can't see the forest for the trees
I don't agree.
I think the single reason that Kamala lost was inflation after Covid. It affected a lot of people in a very negative way and they blamed Biden for it. Regardless of the fact that inflation is now at 2.4% and the Fed started reducing interest rates, the prices that went up are still up. Only gas basically has reduced back to under $3/gallon. But even that is higher than during Coivid when gas prices plummeted.
Number 2 for me would be Kamala's inability to deal with this issue
They were disconnected from the reality that many Americans are still struggling. Maybe some economic metrics looked good but overall the cost of living is sky high. People don't want to hear the successes of Bidenomics when they are struggling just to put a meal on the table. Even the middle class has had to cutdown on vacations and entertainment due to the ridiculous costs of things.
FWIW exit polls have larger errors than standard polling. The worst part is, it takes months to do deep dives into the data to show where they miss by double digits. But by Aug 2025, nobody will care anymore about the specifics of this election and the inaccurate exit polls are all, if anything, people remember.
I'm aware that exit polls have limited reliability. But it was the only data available.
The leopards are already eating faces.
I don't agree.
I think the single reason that Kamala lost was inflation after Covid. It affected a lot of people in a very negative way and they blamed Biden for it. Regardless of the fact that inflation is now at 2.4% and the Fed started reducing interest rates, the prices that went up are still up. Only gas basically has reduced back to under $3/gallon. But even that is higher than during Coivid when gas prices plummeted.
Number 2 for me would be Kamala's inability to deal with this issue
I wrote up a post but essentially agree with most written here.
It also doesn't help that she has historically not been popular with the electorate. She crashed and burned in the 2020 primaries and when Joe Biden was going through his debate debacle, a lot of democrats did not want Kamala to run nor believed in her. It took Biden stepping away + endorsing Kamala which forced the Dems to circle the wagons around Kamala.
It appears trump underperformed with whites and overperformed with blacks and even more so Hispanics. What kind of bizzaro world am I living in.
This was always the plan. The Republicans are completing their shift to being a party that embraces low-skill workers. Highly recommend actually watching and listening to
---he's the mastermind behind this entire thing.
Do you have evidence that he's doing it on purpose, other than a couple of clips of him speaking coherently vs. hundreds or thousands of him speaking incoherently?
As I say, I find it hard to believe that he's doing it on purpose rather than just being a moron and a demented old man, but I remain open minded if there's evidence to the contrary.
The evidence is that the MAGA persona didn't exist until he began running for president. I mean, he played a character on The Apprentice and with the WWE a few times, but if you watch any interview with him before his run, he's calm and collected and gives rational answers. You may not agree with his values, or he may be starting from a faulty premise in order to push an agenda, but he's definitely playing a character when he speaks to crowds, reporters, etc.
You can see his personality change from interview to interview. He's really good at creating plausible deniability. The Charlottesville quote is the first one that comes to mind. If he's lying or knows he's pushing an extreme position, it makes sense for him to convolute things, dodge questions and turn it into a joke. He obviously lives in a bubble, so he's going to be out of touch with some things, but when it comes to achieving his goals, he's quite shrewd.
Now, I was just as appalled as the next person about his "blood of the country" comments and that sort of thing. However, when you see him at a rally, it almost feels like a stand-up performance. "MSDNC" yesterday made me laugh, and no matter how much I dislike him, I'll give credit where it's due. Say what you want, but when Elizabeth Warren — a rich white lady — talked about her Native American heritage in order to score points, he called her out and gave her a hilarious nickname. That Clinton debate where he's just pacing back and forth behind he while she's talking? It's funny. He gained so much popularity because of this stuff, and now people are so attached to him that no matter how much damning evidence you show them, they won't change their mind.
Norm Macdonald made some good points in that interview I posted earlier in the thread. He met Trump plenty of times during his New York days and said he was wildly funny, and one of his criticisms of the SNL Baldwin impersonation is that Trump is often doing self-parody, and when you try to parody someone who's doing self-parody, you miss the point. I don't remember where I read it, but Norm told a story about meeting Trump after he won the presidency. Trump walked into the room, noticed Norm and started telling his Secret Service guys how funny he was. Norm asked if he could get an autograph, and Trump said sure. He then proceeded to walk to the elevator and leave, trolling Norm, but doing it as a joke. People underestimate him. Do you really think has an 85 IQ or whatever?
There were no suspicious ballot dumps in 2020. It was mail-in votes that had been processed and tabulated on election day. The same thing happened this year and it closed some gaps but there weren't as many write in ballots because Covid is no longer a threat.
But there were bomb threats at many locations in swing state cities. Polling was shut down for awhile in some cases (and then in some cases extended that amount of time later after polls were scheduled to close). The bomb threats were
Joe Biden, the lifelong political mediocrity clown shoes everyone made fun of for 8 straight years under Obama, got 12 million more votes than his predecessor, who was probably the most inspirational Presidential candidate since John F. Kennedy. That's really all you need to be skeptical.
