2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
What the actual ****? No, it has nothing to do with tyranny, it has everything to do with how other people react to you, treat you, what they think of you, etc. As in "actions have consequences". Stop it with this disingenuous bullshit about veiled threats and tyranny. Ffs, you are not constitutionally protected from other people's opinions of you, snowflake. That's them exercising their right to free speech. If I don't like your opinions, I don't have to hire you and pay you my money, that's my
I won't allow you to deny your agency and responsibility as an adult here. How you react to someone's speech is entirely your decision. Claiming there will be consequences to my speech is about the same as a husband saying there will be consequences if his wife burns the chicken. It's nothing but an immature and quasi-violent threat from a toxic mind, and we see it everywhere from you nutbags. It's also the number one reason Trump has underpolled 3 elections in a row, and why he won twice.
Thankfully, a lot of the country is more emotionally mature and sees this for what it is and is done with it: an incessant temper tantrum from the emotionally disturbed child you wish you never had.
I won't allow you to deny your agency and responsibility as an adult here. How you react to someone's speech is entirely your decision. Claiming there will be consequences to my speech is about the same as a husband saying there will be consequences if his wife burns the chicken. It's nothing but an immature and quasi-violent threat from a toxic mind, and we see it everywhere from you nutbags. It's also the number one reason Trump has underpolled 3 elections in a row, and why he won twice.
Thankf
Walking on eggshells sucks, but sometimes it's best to keep your head down. I was talking with a lefty friend a while back and telling him that some of our friends are Trump supporters. He didn't believe me. The problem is that they won't admit it to him (or publicly) because of how they'd be treated.
Walking on eggshells sucks, but sometimes it's best to keep your head down. I was talking with a lefty friend a while back and telling him that some of our friends are Trump supporters. He didn't believe me. The problem is that they won't admit it to him (or publicly) because of how they'd be treated.
Yes, and when you're in a system where you're scared to vote your conscience or at least express as such, the protections the government has in place simply aren't enough to ensure a free space of ideas and need to be expanded. For who would violate their conscience to provide for their children? Almost everyone. The fact such a thing is possible in today's America is insane, and a direct consequence of the toxic social and political tactics of progressives.
If sexual preference can be an enshrined right, so can political opinion.
randos posting conspiracy theories = valid free speech
public figures slandering random people and companies = obviously craven bs
idc what you call it, election denialism or otherwise the latter is horrible for our country and depending on the reason for saying it (overturning an election) can be borderline fascistic
Did you hear me parsing a difference between the two?? You're projecting your personal opinion of the respective value here, not me.
It's obviously good for elections and the country and I've clearly stated why. If you have a counter, go for it. Using meme words like fascism though, that's beneath you.
If I'm being honest, conservatives engage in witch-hunts as well. However — and this is anecdotal — my moderate and conservative friends tend to just roll their eyes and laugh at things they disagree with; forgive and forget. They're annoyed by this and that but aren't that judgmental, while my lefty friends can't get past political disagreements and lose their **** over trivial disagreements.
Did you hear me parsing a difference between the two?? You're projecting your personal opinion of the respective value here, not me.
It's obviously good for elections and the country and I've clearly stated why. If you have a counter, go for it. Using meme words like fascism though, that's beneath you.
I think we can question election integrity without lying about certain voting system companies having ties to Hugo Chavez or saying two random black ladies were stuffing ballots. Both those cases were adjudicated in courts as falsehoods. And especially when you have people on the record behind the scenes saying that the allegations are false while running news stories about it, it becomes harder to justify as good faith.
I absolutely believe that the charge of false elections has a long pedigree among authoritarians, especially fascists. I don’t see why it’s a “meme” word myself.
I’m also drawing a distinction here mind you between the body politic and the political elites.
Walking on eggshells sucks, but sometimes it's best to keep your head down. I was talking with a lefty friend a while back and telling him that some of our friends are Trump supporters. He didn't believe me. The problem is that they won't admit it to him (or publicly) because of how they'd be treated.
We get the same thing sometimes. When I said I was supporting Biden people called me a genocider and a rapist supporter lol Certain leftists will attack you if you say you support dems.
Look if you're going to respond to my posts at least have the decency to read them. My claim was twofold, that election questioners are/were tarred as "election deniers" and "bad for democracy" (are you debating this didn't happen?) and that no one is bad for questioning election integrity. By doing so and taking even sometimes frivolous lawsuits through the courts, they are directly strengthening both the process of elections (because sometimes they actually reveal flaws) and trust in them, whi
I think most don't have an issue with others questioning and verifying the integrity of an election result. They do however have a problem with those who are never satisfied with the answer those questions produce, even years later, leading them to perpetually doubt the result of an election even after countless recounts and unfruitful legal challenges. There's a point where it stops being skepticism and just becomes outright denial of an election outcome they simply don't like.
We get the same thing sometimes. When I said I was supporting Biden people called me a genocider and a rapist supporter lol Certain leftists will attack you if you say you support dems.
Well, that just goes to show how far some elements of the left have gone. They're still the minority, but they have a lot of reach.
When it comes to the right engaging in witch-hunts or cancel culture or whatever, look no further than Dylan Mulvaney. In my opinion, Dylan isn't "well," and while I disagree with what Bud Light was doing and the left's position on the issue, there was no reason to to rip him, but the mobs were out in full force.
Her.
I don't agree with the way Mulvaney was treated. The brands that threw money at her were also the villains, the campaigns misjudged and they effectively threw her under the bus. Bud Lite was whatever, but my partner was disparaging at having a male modelling and promoting female sportwear.
Well, that just goes to show how far some elements of the left have gone. They're still the minority, but they have a lot of reach.
Yep. Although I will say that a lot of them just start from a radically different place than us normatively so I don’t even necessarily not understand where they are coming from. Somehow they are convinced that if they use these underhanded tactics they can cause compliance, and they believe there is some greater good they are fighting for that’s at the end of the tunnel.
I think liberals fed into this culture a lot to be honest, and I think we need to rethink that approach if we want to maintain relevance. There really is a toxic culture of identity politics that makes it so that a lot of people tolerate the really awful messaging that certain segments of the left has popularized.
I won't allow you to deny your agency and responsibility as an adult here. How you react to someone's speech is entirely your decision. Claiming there will be consequences to my speech is about the same as a husband saying there will be consequences if his wife burns the chicken. It's nothing but an immature and quasi-violent threat from a toxic mind, and we see it everywhere from you nutbags. It's also the number one reason Trump has underpolled 3 elections in a row, and why he won twice.
Thankf
Who are you responding to here? Certainly my post you quoted said nothing to elicit a reply about how I respond to your speech not being my decision. The consequences for you are how I choose to respond to you, correct. I don't think you read the words you responded to; if you did you certainly didn't understand them.
Your wife beating analogy is vapid, because you are stuck on the word "consequences" as some sort of threat and refuse to understand that is not how it's being used in this context. Nobody is threatening you with physical violence for exercising your right to free speech, I am explaining to you like you are 5 that my opinion of you will be directly correlated to what you say, a concept you seem to stubbornly refuse to grasp. And yes, if I am an employer, that might mean I won't hire you because I dislike you as a person. Welcome to the real world.
What, in your view, is emotionally immature about judging people you know nothing else about on the opinions they put out into the public domain? And do you apply this standard of evaluating emotional maturity to yourself, or only to others? Because you are certainly very judgmental of people here based on what they post (as I'd expect someone to be, but TIL that this is a sign that you are an emotionally immature nutbag).
Guys, it's finally time to cave in to republicans requests and warnings , and cancel immediately the election results to investigate the massive election fraud they assured us happened.
Surely this election result cannot be vouched with such frauds.
Hail Playbig and Brian James for alerting everyone on these horrendous scams, you will be seen as heroes for unveiling to all the massive fraud.
Election will resume when full investigation has been conducted (probably a matter of a few years).
Thanks!
Guys, it's finally time to cave in to republicans requests and warnings , and cancel immediately the election results to investigate the massive election fraud they assured us happened.
Surely this election result cannot be vouched with such frauds.
Hail Playbig and Brian James for alerting everyone on these horrendous scams, you will be seen as heroes for unveiling to all the massive fraud.
Election will resume when full investigation has been conducted (probably a matter of a few years).
Thanks!
They filed 100+ court cases pre-election. Lets see what they find!
They wouldn't mysteriously disappear now Trump's won? Party of law and order would want to find the truth...
/And yes, if I am an employer, that might mean I won't hire you because I dislike you as a person. Welcome to the real world./
you should be allowed to do this for everything but you aren't though.
and btw even in the USA, political discrimination for hiring doesn't violate federal law but it can violate state law.
in the UK, you actually can't discriminate in hiring and firing based on "belief" (equality act 2010).
it has to qualify so it's not obvious, has to be genuine and so on, no idea if "genuine belief that the 2020 American elections were stolen" would hold in court, but certainly it isn't as obvious "in the real world" as you are making it here.
and in most countries you can't discriminate on the base of religion so if a "church of latter saints and 2020 election theft" is founded that could complicate things.
Now contrast to the nonsense of "he's like Hitler" "this is the end of democracy"? from the other side.
Who in the **** exactly was that targeted to?
Anyone who thinks Trump is like Hitler was already voting for Harris. There isn't a single person in the entire country that was voting trump or not voting at all who heard this nonsense and said "oh **** other than the lack of a mustache and concentration camps this guy is just like Hitler. I'm gonna vote for Harris".
And I'm sure on a small level i
the targets of "he is Hitler" are low propensity to vote, Democrat leaning people.
no idea if it worked or backfired though
Now contrast to the nonsense of "he's like Hitler" "this is the end of democracy"? from the other side.
World's most famous propagandist Musk has been spouting eerily similar end of democracy propaganda, but for a very long time he feigned neutrality, and he of course still uses emojis and memes to conceal his tone and intentions (or for plausible deniability anyway). And JD Vance also compared someone to Hitler iirc.
Who in the **** exactly was that targeted to?
Anyone who thinks Trump is like Hitler was already voting for Harris. There isn't a single person in the entire country that was voting trump or not voting at all who heard this nonsense and said "oh **** other than the lack of a mustache and concentration camps this guy is just like Hitler. I'm gonna vote for Harris".
And I'm sure on a small level it sent some undecideds/ non voters Trump way because it's just insulting.
You're saying it was a 4d chess move from pre ticket Vance then?
Musk can start cutting with federal subsidies for electric vehicles and carbon credits. Yeah, didn't think Elon.
Musk is on record asking for EV subsidies to be removed claiming that will help Tesla (control the whole market).
No idea about which federal subsidies for carbon credits you are referring to though
For the record, I think this is bullshit (as in the rule itself). I shouldn't have to hire any god botherers if I don't want to. I don't think there should be any protected classes other than gender, race/ethnicity and sexual orientation.
Musk is on record asking for EV subsidies to be removed claiming that will help Tesla (control the whole market).
Yep, he's on record for asking them to be removed at the same time his company is lobbying for those same subsidies. This is called Three-card monte.
Tesla’s $739 Million Carbon Credit Revenue Fuels Q3 Earnings Surge
Tesla delivered better-than-expected 3rd-quarter earnings and profits, bringing relief to investors while reversing a trend of declining earnings. The electric vehicle (EV) maker saw its first year-over-year profit growth in 2024, beating expectations in its 2024 Q3 report.
More remarkably, Tesla shows an impressive $739 million carbon credit, also called regulatory credits, revenue for the said quarter. The company reaffirmed its plans to make its EVs more affordable, which added to investor enthusiasm.
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Yep, he's on record for asking them to be removed at the same time his company is lobbying for those same subsidies. This is called Three-card monte.
Tesla’s $739 Million Carbon Credit Revenue Fuels Q3 Earnings Surge
Yes i am asking what in those carbon credits is a subsidy. That's money Tesla makes from other companies
