Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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The point for a certain % of the 14 million who sat out the election is to send a message to Dems that they won't be winning elections in the future with pro-Israel positions. It probably won't happen in 2028, but as boomers die off and Gen Zers hit voting age, there is no doubt that team blue will = pro Palestine and disarming Israel in the future.
If that was true it would mean it will be impossible for the dems to ever again win an election, because a portion of those who went to vote dem actually require them to have a pro Israel position.
While on the right people who would prefer the USA to detach from Israel still go and vote because they aren't single issue voters on that topic.
As if we didn't already know
If that was true it would mean it will be impossible for the dems to ever again win an election, because a portion of those who went to vote dem actually require them to have a pro Israel position.
While on the right people who would prefer the USA to detach from Israel still go and vote because they aren't single issue voters on that topic.
-87% of Dems < 30 who have a strong opinion on the issue are pro Palestine
-Since this April poll very few, if any, of the < 30 fence-sitters have gone over to the pro-Israel side, but many have gone to pro-Palestinian.
-Netanyahu has no plans to attempt to regain the moral high ground (at least for those with a left wing mindset)
-Old people die, and young people take over political systems
Based on all this, my point seems inevitable. What, exactly do you disagree with? That it's worthwhile for politicians to care about long-term concerns?
least surprising thing ever that they are going to go after the Palestinian Israeli citizens.
Just as well they are doing it for reasons other than pure racism, otherwise it might look like they want to create a far right ethno-state which we are assured is not the aim.
-87% of Dems < 30 who have a strong opinion on the issue are pro Palestine
-Since this April poll very few, if any, of the < 30 fence-sitters have gone over to the pro-Israel side, but many have gone to pro-Palestinian.
-Netanyahu has no plans to attempt to regain the moral high ground (at least for those with a left wing mindset)
-Old people die, and young people take over politic
I am not sure about the claim. I think that democrats as a party are very far from being >50% propal.
I was elaborating as if the claim was true, that a growing portion of people with clear leftwing preferences were so strongly committed to the Palestine topic that they prefer to have the right win than to vote democrat if democrats are pro Israel as they currently are.
If the above (which is what you claim) is true, then democrats can never win nationally
Just as well they are doing it for reasons other than pure racism, otherwise it might look like they want to create a far right ethno-state which we are assured is not the aim.
I have 0 clue about the Israel constitution but as much as I can understand why you would want to pass a law punishing people who are relatives to monsters, it's a deeply incivil proposition I oppose.
Just as well they are doing it for reasons other than pure racism, otherwise it might look like they want to create a far right ethno-state which we are assured is not the aim.
Some Israelis might want to purge Arabs from Israel and I don't think anyone here gas ever denied that.
Fact is even if you deport the families of people convicted for terrorism that won't change demographics, it's a very small amount of people.
Still a bad choice to punish someone for something other people did ofc.
Just an unhappy coincidence that those few Israelis are all in government, I guess.
All the Arab countries did reject the idea in 1947. Israel accepted it
Since you have very little knowledge of this in your own words I'll help explain.
after Jordan annexed the West bank in 1950. Many became Jordanian citizens. 2 state solution wasn't anything anyone wanted.. not the civilians, not Israel, not the Arab nations
Then in the 1960s the soviets started bankrolling people and started calling them Palestinians. Convincing them they were separate people from the Jordanians and the plo was formed
And then the Palestinian cause was started in 1967 after Jordan abandoned them
Since then Israel has offered many deals. But the Palestinians never wanted to be Israel's neighbors. They wanted it all
Also
Who gives a **** what kuschner said off the record 6 years ago.
-87% of Dems < 30 who have a strong opinion on the issue are pro Palestine
-Since this April poll very few, if any, of the < 30 fence-sitters have gone over to the pro-Israel side, but many have gone to pro-Palestinian.
-Netanyahu has no plans to attempt to regain the moral high ground (at least for those with a left wing mindset)
-Old people die, and young people take over politic
The left isn't pro Palestinian. They are pro Islamism. Supporting Islamism is doing absolutely nothing for the Palestinian people, except taking their society back to the Stone Age. Hopefully, we will have a future where Islamists are defeated, and we can enact on a policy that is pro Israeli and pro Palestinian; and we aren't funding both sides of forever wars. This means cutting off the terror pipeline of arms to Gaza and the West Bank and continuing to dismantle the terror infrastructure.
Does anyone still claim no ethnic cleansing is going on?
A 2 state solution has never been an option, because the Palestinians have never had a leadership interested in this option. Arafat was a corrupt grifter only interested in his own profile, and Hamas are religious fundamentalists dedicated to Jihad, also with a large amount of corruption and grift.
If the Palestinians ever had a leadership that actually cared about the people and their future and was interested in forming a state, I think it would be possible. But that is a big if. Unfortunately all the incentive structures provided by the rest of the world support bad actors and a forever war.
An idiotic law that seems mostly about demonizing foreigners rather than curbing antisemitism.
"From a legal perspective, the resolution is a great disappointment. Earlier drafts were criticized severely by lawyers as most likely unconstitutional. In view of these criticisms, it is puzzling to see that the final version of the text is mostly unchanged," says Ralf Michaels, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Comparative and International Private Law in Hamburg. Michaels is one of several experts who have offered an alternative proposal.
Apart from the "practical impossibility" for administrators to evaluate all such projects in advance, amounting to prior restraint, such a rule would most likely amount to a violation of freedom of art and freedom of opinion, according to Michaels. "Those rights can be restricted by human dignity as protected in the constitution, but certainly not by the contested IHRA Working Definition of antisemitism that the Bundestag wants to make decisive," he told DW.
just casually mentioning field executions of elderly women in Israeli media
Horrific scenes last night - Jews being hunted down in plain sight on the streets of Amsterdam
I suppose experts will go with "antisemitism on the rise in Europe following Trump election victory"
