Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
By all means, GO. Be GONE!
I just have such a low tolerance for king babies.
I am not a mod here, I have never suggested I am a mod here. I do not pretend to be a mod here. I have explicitly stated I am not a mod here. Quit spreading this baseless lie:
I have mentioned several times, very clearly, that I do not mod this subforum and I am a poster here.
Saying this as a fellow poster, not a mod.
This is just what I could find in that short time frame. It is all over. I have repeatedly asked you what actions I've taken which make you say this and you always refuse to answer. If you are going to accuse me of this then answer.
You’re not a mod here.
Ok, so how would deal with a poster that repeatedly brings up the same issue over and over, refuses to take no for an answer, blatantly claims they will not abide by the rulings, that they are at the end of their rope, that they will not behave well?
It’s just pure, unabashed belligerence on your part, and no regular poster would have gotten away with so much as you have.
PUT VICTOR IN IGNORE.
If someone quotes him, SCROLL PAST IT.
If you can’t do those things, and think that gives you some sort of free pass to ignore rules and say whatever you want, then you are misinformed and need to see yourself out of this forum.
You do not get to say “no I won’t do that” to the mods here. You do not have a choice, same as everyone else.
Your choice is to abide by the rulings or leave.
If I told a regular poster “xyz is the way it is and is the standard for behavior” and they said no blablabla because for 2 years I’ve been big mad and you can’t make me, I would just ban them.
I’m going to just ban you if you can’t stop.
Ok, so how would deal with a poster that repeatedly brings up the same issue over and over, refuses to take no for an answer, blatantly claims they will not abide by the rulings, that they are at the end of their rope, that they will not behave well?
It’s just pure, unabashed belligerence on your part, and no regular poster would have gotten away with so much as you have.
If you can’t do those things, and think that gives you some sort of free pass to ignore rules and say whatever you
I would hear them out in good faith for once instead of doing what you're doing here (yet again) here.
I do not believe that demanding a poster put another poster on ignore is a valid thing which can be enforced on everyone. When you explained why you said something along the lines of "fair enough", then immediately demanded it again.
I am not ignoring mod rulings, and I never have unless you count the first time you told me to stop posting and I did not realize that was your way of asking me to temp ban as a mod ruling. Since then I have obeyed every single mod ruling you have made, including removing myself as all three mods insult me.
PUT VICTOR IN IGNORE.
If someone quotes him, SCROLL PAST IT.
My post is regarding this policy. Do you think you are above having your policies questioned?
If I told a regular poster “xyz is the way it is and is the standard for behavior” and they said no blablabla because for 2 years I’ve been big mad and you can’t make me, I would just ban them.
I’m going to just ban you if you can’t stop.
This is not what is happening.
You do not need to ban me, I am removing myself from 2p2. Stop threatening me because you feel you are having your authority questioned.
We did this in good faith repeatedly the first few times.
Now I’m done spending time and effort relitigating the same bullshit.
I don’t have an issue with my authority being questioned- I’ve changed many rulings. But I’ll never be bullied into changing one or berated or worn down either.
I just wonder why you seem to have some sort of mental block that you’re acting like a pariah and we’re never going to listen to you while you behave like this. Go away.
Because this is how I am treated every time I speak up.
Your complaints are noted, for the millionth time. Thank you
BGP,
You have interesting contributions to make. I personally do not want you to leave. But at some point, this has to stop. As you know, when I was a mod, I told you several times in public threads that I didn't enjoy being a mod and that if you thought you would do a better job, you were free to tell Bobo, Spew, or whoever that you wanted to take over. As far as I can tell, you didn't want to do that, probably because you understood that iit s highly annoying to listen to people complain endlessly about the moderation.
I am not going so far as to say you shouldn't complain about moderation unless you are willing to do the job yourself. Make your complaint once. For that matter, make it three times. But at some point, after you are sure that you have been heard, you just have to make a decision. You have to live with the moderation or quit posting in Politics until there is a moderator who is more to your liking. Attempting to change the moderation by repeating the same complaints over and over and over to the same moderator isn't a viable third option imo.
When you suggested that I moderate I informed you that I had already offered to moderate the threads I want to participate in. I later offered to mod the entire forum to Bobo.
I am far from sure I have been heard. The reason I am far from sure that I've been heard is that this current reaction is similar to the reaction I've gotten every single time. I am agreeing to live with the moderation or quit posting, and regardless of what happens here I will be quitting posting. I am still going to be heard.
I am also not trying the same things with the same moderator over and over.
I'd like to point out that neither of you have actually addressed the content of my post to address the actual moderating issue, instead you both are attacking me. This is a pattern.
*facepalm*
I would appreciate it if you approached this in a productive manner or removed yourself from the discussion.
I approached it productively the first time via PM. You melted down there too in similar fashion. At a certain point, one loses patience repeating the same verdict.
You've been heard, BGP. The problem is everyone is sick of hearing you.
You ignored several of my questions and instead focused on "respect". When I brought up an example which you said clearly should have been moderated you blamed the situation on me for reporting too much, and then continued to not moderate it. I was not heard by any means.
I'm sure you're sick of hearing me, that has been clear from your insults. You will not be hearing me anymore soon. Until then please be productive or remove yourself from the discussion.
Also, ftr, you are not fit to moderate this forum. I base that assessment on your overall temperament and unwillingness to acknowledge that the spectrum of mainstream political ideas may vastly differ from your own.
BGP, I'm actually done with this disruption to the forum. Please take a timeout from posting in Politics for 24 hours. I don't need to remove myself from any discussions surrounding moderation here. I can, however, remove you. This is a temp, in case you're confused.
You ignored several of my questions and instead focused on "respect". When I brought up an example which you said clearly should have been moderated you blamed the situation on me for reporting too much, and then continued to not moderate it. I was not heard by any means.
I'm sure you're sick of hearing me, that has been clear from your insults. You will not be hearing me anymore soon. Until then please be productive or remove yourself from the discussion.
You're temp banned so I don't expect a response but fwiw I think the recent attacks on you by moderators are bullying and outrageous. I'm quite shocked.
Some fights cannot be won and in this case it's also not worth winning It can be ignored silently with no loss to you
Just my 2c
he's being treated fine. a lot of the problem is that he's a crybaby who can't handle being disagreed with, which is kind of fatal if you want to live on a ****ing politics message board
there's a bot sharing child porn on 2p2 right now
reported the first post i came across but unknown mod hours so figured jam it here for a swifter response
wildest part is it remained dormant for 3 years before firing off the spam today
weird transition and sent out like 30 versions of that top post throughout the site
When you suggested that I moderate I informed you that I had already offered to moderate the threads I want to participate in. I later offered to mod the entire forum to Bobo.
I am far from sure I have been heard. The reason I am far from sure that I've been heard is that this current reaction is similar to the reaction I've gotten every single time. I am agreeing to live with the moderation or quit posting, and regardless of what happens here I will be quitting posting. I am still going to be he
I think you’re a good poster but you must realize how the bold comes across, right?
