2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Addressed many times over. It was dumb to say Harris is "far" more likely to go to war with Iran. But a large part of American politicians are in bed with MIC, and have a heavy bias to war, demonstrated many times. Harris says she is in that camp. Trump says he is not. Maybe one, or even both were lying.
If someone wants to argue, Islamism is good, I'll disagree. I have compared them to elements like the KKK. More charitably, the IRA and similar.
We don't have to have a full blown war with ever
No one is even close to total war.
Given the IRI's hostile, destabilizing actions since Obama tried a strategy of appeasement that backfired tremendously; I would say the US and Israel have ben extremely restrained. Iran is currently directly attacking Israel and indirectly attacking Israel and the US from multiple fronts, and the response so far has been very minimal.
You have this giant blind spot where the IRI can do whatever it wants, and everything that ensues is completely the US and Israel's fault. They have zero moral agency and can do no wrong in your worldview.
The IRI is the governing body of a nation of 60 million people; and hundreds of millions through the world view them as spiritual leaders and a moral authority. They are dedicated to the destruction of Israel as a holy Allah ordained mandate; and there is no earthly, rational reason they will ever drop this mandate.
The IRA had rational goals, based on reality. The IRI does not. It appeals to supernatural forces to guide them.
IRA and KKK are not good analogies at all.
Given that Trump flipped like 9 or 10 counties in California and made gains in every state except Washington, I'm not sure how geography would factor into the polarization.
I literally addressed this in the post you quoted by saying geographically polarizing at the local, not state level.
You gave a perfect example that reinforces my argument.
Regardless, I would say for whites (and maybe everyone) education has become the dominant differentiator, where highly educated skew Democrat and vice versa. But educated people tend to live together, so geography would be a second level differentiator.
the system works
It seems more likely to me that people who become vegetarian/vegan already possessed qualities/beliefs that predispose them to mental distress than it being a factor of the diet itself.
I suspect that personality traits, particularly neuroticism, are the cause of poorer mental health and veganism but these two traits are not directly correlated.
I suspect that personality traits, particularly neuroticism, are the cause of poorer mental health and veganism but these two traits are not directly correlated.
I don’t know why anyone would look at the vegan doctors, lawyers, nutritionists, bodt builders, political activists (left and right wing), teachers, scientists etc and think that they have some kind of mental health issue.
I can readily admit that vegans, just like any group of people, can suffer from mental health issues.
Not looking to debate that issue here but wanted to answer your question.
I don’t know why anyone would look at the vegan doctors, lawyers, nutritionists, bodt builders, political activists (left and right wing), teachers, scientists etc and think that they have some kind of mental health issue.
I can readily admit that vegans, just like any group of people, can suffer from mental health issues.
No one is saying all vegans have mental health issues. However, poorer mental health does appear to be correlated with not eating meat.
Meat consumption was associated with lower depression and lower anxiety compared to meat abstention. Compared to vegans, meat consumers experienced both lower depression and anxiety. Sex did not modify these relations. Study quality explained 58% and 76% of between-studies heterogeneity in depression and anxiety, respectively. The analysis also showed that the more rigorous the study, the more positive and consistent the relation between meat consumption and better mental health. The current body of evidence precludes causal and temporal inferences.
Given that Trump flipped like 9 or 10 counties in California and made gains in every state except Washington, I'm not sure how geography would factor into the polarization.
You can't really associate new trends from a four year election thats heavily influenced by the candidates running and the platform that their running on. There's just too many economic and societal changes over that time frame that we don't realize to try to predict or formulate how people are going to vote.
Even though dualism is not ultimately true, it is subjectively true. Meaning, the only way I’ve been able to make meaningful progress through the meta story is by using a dualistic lens.
My conclusion is the Creator wants to show and teach what he wants to share through a dualistic setting. If you try to use a monistic lens, whether it’s materialism or spiritual monism, then you get punished for it. With spiritual monism, you become victim to spiritual bypassing and deception. With materialism, you suffer from a lack of deep meaning and fulfillment.
No one is saying all vegans have mental health issues. However, poorer mental health does appear to be correlated with not eating meat.
I can’t view this paper because it’s paywalled but I’d have to see what the specific numbers that they’re accounting for look like.
Even though dualism is not ultimately true, it is subjectively true. Meaning, the only way I’ve been able to make meaningful progress through the meta story is by using a dualistic lens.
My conclusion is the Creator wants to show and teach what he wants to share through a dualistic setting. If you try to use a monistic lens, whether it’s materialism or spiritual monism, then you get punished for it. With spiritual monism, you become victim to spiritual bypassing and deception. With materialism, y
why wouldn’t this just commit you to dualism if you think that both mental and physical states are epistemically necessary?
I have a hard time rejecting dualism myself even though I think physicalism has epistemic virtue w/r/t ontology
Anxiety
Depression
The studies are listed in order of their quality, so only the low quality studies are finding in favour of meat abstinence.
I’m interested in the quantity of people that were found to have depression and anxiety, I can see they found some type of p-value but what are the groups and how much higher is the relative risk. It could be significant but I’m interested in what those observations mean qualitatively.
why wouldn’t this just commit you to dualism if you think that both mental and physical states are epistemically necessary?
I have a hard time rejecting dualism myself even though I think physicalism has epistemic virtue w/r/t ontology
Because I’ve had undeniable experiential glimpses of ultimate reality and it’s spiritual + monistic. This isn’t unique to me.
I’m interested in the quantity of people that were found to have depression and anxiety, I can see they found some type of p-value but what are the groups and how much higher is the relative risk. It could be significant but I’m interested in what those observations mean qualitatively.
Depression and anxiety are typically measured by questionnaire and symptoms therefore exist on a continuum, although some studies asked if participants has been diagnosed with D or A, or if they were medicating for either. Relative risk or odds ratios as far as I can see are not reported.
Depression
The analysis of 19 studies of depression showed a small but significant effect where meat abstainers had higher levels of depression than meat consumers (g = 0.216, 95% CI [0.14, 0.30], p < .001; 95% prediction interval [-0.09, 0.52]). Figure 2 shows the forest plot for the bias-corrected Hedges’s g values and their associated 95% CIs.
Anxiety
The analysis of 11 studies of anxiety showed a small significant effect where meat abstainers had higher levels of anxiety than meat consumers (g = 0.17, 95% CI [0.03, 0.31], p = .02; 95% prediction interval [-0.28, 0.62]).
well those experiential glimpses are epistemically closed off to me so I don’t know what I can do with that.
You have to enter into the (hidden) meta story and navigate through it. If you’ve ever learned a new language, it’s sort of similar. Most people quit early on because it requires effort.
The fact that you can use a dualistic lens and contemplate this stuff means you are not at the very beginning.
You have to enter into the (hidden) meta story and navigate through it. If you’ve ever learned a new language, it’s sort of similar. Most people quit early on because it requires effort.
The fact that you can use a dualistic lens and contemplate this stuff means you are not at the very beginning.
No one is saying all vegans have mental health issues. However, poorer mental health does appear to be correlated with not eating meat.
Luciom already posted this some pages back. It’s not proven to be causal so what’s the point? It’s coming across as an ad hominem attack on veganism.
