Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
I think the fact that you can only think that radical left wing (or progresive) policies as identity ones proves the point.
They're not something that can be tacked on. The left (or progresives) need to build a platform, argue on it and fight elections on it.
I'm not sure UKer like me is the one to define the platform but there needs to be one.
They can't, they autolose everywhere if they do in a 2 party system.
They can only have some hope by parasitically attaching themselves to one of the two parties.
Same is true for libertarians btw, but people on the right are more pragmatic so if someone is clearly more pro freedom you vote him accepting that he is still very far from your preferred model. At least you get a tad more freedom if he wins.
Radical leftists have ideological purity as a part of their moral pillars which makes them a problem if they attach to you
He thinks those regimes are bad versions of good ideas while first world capitalism is a bad version of a bad idea.
That's a nice line
In the past there was a dissusion as to why being communist leaning was much more acceptable in the forum than being fascist leaning. It's as you say because we consider the intent behind communism to be good whereas the intent behind fascism to be bad.
It's verty poor to consider a tiny period in time as proof about the idea in general
Capitalism owned the 20th century. I wouldn't on it for the 22nd.
It's verty poor to consider a tiny period in time as proof about the idea in general
Capitalism owned the 20th century. I wouldn't on it for the 22nd.
We've had this conversation. Communism has been an abject failure literally every time it has been tried. You appear to be claiming it's too small a sample size. Most reasonable people disagree.
It's not even a small sample size.
Arguments against it can be made of course but appealing to a few instances in highly labour dependent economies is just a fallacy.
It's not even a small sample size.
Arguments against it can be made of course but appealing to a few instances in highly labour dependent economies is just a fallacy.
I'm sure it was just an unfortunate confluence of circumstances that made it fail the last 5,377 times, and the next time will be a resounding success.
I'm not a fan personally. But it's going to be very different as the need for labour evaporates. Both as a system in itself and because capitalism will lose it's advantage.
"Bad" is a relative term. I'll take 2024 London with global warming/climate change over 2024 Pyongyang without it any day of the week.
You're making the Luciom Assumption that everything will always be manageable for the West. Plenty will disagree with you.
You might not have the same answer in a decade or two, and that uncertainty caused by putting profits ahead of people is why capitalism has let us all down.
Victor is of course mostly completely right about everything.
What leftists tend to get wrong is that they blame current conditions on "the mechanisms of capital", instead of actual people.
The Catalan opening sucks balls and ass and the mods should fix it.
You're making the Luciom Assumption that everything will always be manageable for the West. Plenty will disagree with you.
You might not have the same answer in a decade or two, and that uncertainty caused by putting profits ahead of people is why capitalism has let us all down.
I'm certainly not the one to argue that what we have is a perfect, or even great system. I've also certainly become more disillusioned with it over the last decade or so. But nothing the far left has suggested is remotely any better, and certainly the regimes people like Victor stan for are demonstrably far worse than what we have now.
Very good.
Also, every time he mentions some batshit insane thing the far left thinks or does I think of Victor and think "yep, sounds about right, that's them."
appreciate you taking the time to listen and not just putting up ear muffs and typing bOTh sIDeS BaD again
i'm at heart a liberal, but i've been disgusted by where my natural party has been going and whenever i try to point that out i just get called a hateful bigot by people who would otherwise be my natural allies
like i said ad nauseum over the past few years, i would never in a million years vote for kamala, nor would i vote for trump, but if we had some kind of australian mandatory vote thing and you had to select one of the two, i'm taking trump all day long over kamala despite that i think he should be in jail because to me it's more important to put a stop to this ideological shift of caring more about illegal immigrants than our own homeless etc etc and if the cost of that is 4 more years of trump then i'm fully onboard
put a stop to this ideological shift of caring more about illegal immigrants
this is what happens when objective facts are ignored for vibes. Biden and the Dems have been just as bad as Trump on "illegal immigrants". they just dont talk a bunch of **** while doing it.
