Moderation Questions

What’s really great is how we can call humans “illegal aliens” now and they hardly sound human at all. Good work!

I don't mean republicans as in the party. I mean the voters. Their beliefs, dumb as they might be, are relevant in the respect that they influence their votes.

You inferred wrong. If anything, I was implying that conservatives believed deporting illegal aliens will help the homeless ergo they are credulous and susceptible to empty populist rhetoric (but more than anything, I was just responding to a poster who wrote "’I'm just surprised that anyone thinks Trump has ever had anything but contempt for the homeless," i.e. lots of people think his policies - deporting illegals - will help the homeless). I wasn't commenting on the deportation issue itself one way or the other.

Fair enough

So, removing 25% of homeless people from the streets wouldn't help the remaining 75%? same resources available for fewer of them, how doesn't that automatically help them?

Because alien means "from a different place" and illegal means "in the country against the law".

Hope that helps

Source that 25% of homeless are illegal aliens? And what are these fixed capacity resources that there will now be more of per homeless capita?

Not at all. Dehumanising people is never helpful.

We call humans all sorts of things other than humans though.

Homelessness, similar to crime, is a social issue which could be solved by providing everyone with their basic human needs.

But the Christians are often confused by the whole WWJD thing and get very bent out of shape when it’s suggested.

Crime could not in fact be 'solved' in that way. The biggest criminals, and many of the not so big, are already rich, or at least doing nicely.

Poverty is only one, and probably not even the biggest cause of crime. Most drug dealers who move any sort of weight beyond dime bags, armed robbers, fraudsters, etc. etc. are not on the poverty line. In addition, some material % of crimes are not financially motivated.

Possibly Crossnerd is referring to just petty street crime though.

How can you say this and then believe people like Trump can be criminal and hold both beliefs in your mind at the same time?

If you ever believed for a second a criminal existed who anyway had his "basic human needs" fulfilled, then your statement is utterly false.

Would you prefer calling them "criminals"

Shelters, grants for homeless people by states and localities.

Pro-homeless people source (see how they say "undocumented", already on the radical left)

https://gitnux.org/homeless-illegal-immi...

Sneaking illegally into a country isn't either.

OK, thanks for the source on the 25% figure. Are you saying that if a homeless person somewhere in the US wanted access to a shelter right now, they couldn't get in because they're full?

I'd prefer to call them your fellow citizens in waiting.

Best get rid of border controls, then no more "sneaking" necessary.

You'd welcome them as your neighbours, wouldn't you?

That happens fairly frequently in California yes. They could be moved to other empty places elsewhere and if in desperate need they will have a roof that night (after waiting many hours for confirmation).

But if 3/4 of eligible people are there everything including waiting times to have showers in shelters, to get your linens, to get processed in general will be smoother (=better).

Have you ever spoken to someone who was actually homeless like he was a real human being? Have you ever cooked him dinner?

I give money to homeless people all the time when I'm drunk and feeling generous. Like, real money sometimes if I've had a decent session at the casino and have cash on me. The one time I invited a homeless guy up to my apartment for a drink and a game of chess, I passed out in my armchair while we were playing and woke up a few hours later to discover he'd robbed all the electronics in the place (laptops, phones, etc.). That was pretty inconvenient, and also, never lived it down with my buddies who to this day refer to that incident as "remember when you tried to **** that homeless guy and he robbed you". Needless to say, won't be doing that again.

Much better just to take them to a fast food place and get them something to eat. That way they don't feel obliged to give you a blow job (though that may be a drawback for you).

That was a ****ing nightmare. I had to knock on my neighbour's door (whom I'd spoken to like twice in the lift in about as many years) and ask to use his phone/internet to contact someone. To your point - ironically enough, I felt so embarrassed about what happened, I told him I got rolled by a hooker.

Start talking (as you would with any other person though, no condescending) and then see what they actually need and if you can make a difference.

That is if you want to try to help people who might be in need.

Often I can't , sometimes I feel like they deserve their status. Sometimes you discover they have options and they actually don't hate that life (at least until winter) and you have a beer together and learn something.

Sometimes you can help them get a sim card because they don't speak italian, or you help them actually fill forms, or can refer them to associations that can help them (because of purported violations of their rights by house lords, or employers, or police).