Trump 2nd term prediction thread
So, looks like Trump not only smashed the electoral college, but is looking on track to win the popular vote, which seems to be an unexpected turn of events, but a clear sign of the current temperature in the country and perhaps the wider world.
Would be interested to hear views on how his 2nd term will pan out from both sides of the aisle - major happenings, what he's going to get done, what he's not going to get done, the impact of his election on the current conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza, whether his popularity will remain the same, wane, or increase, etc.
A bit of an anemic OP, I know, just interested to hear people's thoughts now that the election uncertainty is over.
Maybe, but not "dem supporters." The politicians and the campaign sure. I'm talking about the voters.
We support a side (same sort of thing in the uk) that is absolutetly **** and then blame the other lot for beating us.
It is very much 'our ' fault. If we want to stop them we have to do a hell of a lot better.
Stop worrying about the other lot and insist our lot are better. Way better.
Make them earn our votes.
This is absolutely not an answer to my question. I'm asking what you think a typical "dem supporter" could have done differently than they did in order to stop Trump from winning.
Stop worrying about Trump and insisting that Kamala Harris was better would have done precisely zero to affect the outcome of the election.
Stop being so shert termist. The problem of the likes of trump didn't start with harris. It's been building for many decades
Stop being so shert termist. The problem of the likes of trump didn't start with harris. It's been building for many decades
I'm asking a short term question, so no, I will not stop being "so shert termist." If you don't have an answer to the short term question, that's fine.
I'm also asking about what individuals could have done. So nebulous concepts that large groups of people could somehow all coordinate and do aren't really an answer either.
I'm asking specifically for the reason that a person tried to cast blame on "dem supporters" for the outcome of this election, as if they did something to specifically cause it. The truth, as you are inadvertently pointing out, is they did not. Keep in mind that many "dem supporters" may not have been "dem supporters" (or even in this country) for decades, and can therefore not be blamed for something that was caused over the course of decades.
it's like someone gasping their last breath after years of smoking, drinking drugs, obesity etc bleating that it's not their fault because there's nothing they can do to avoid dying.
it's like someone gasping their last breath after years of smoking, drinking drugs, obesity etc bleating that it's not their fault because there's nothing they can do to avoid dying.
You are assuming they spent years smoking, drinking, doing drugs and are obese when that is not the case. Again, many "dem supporters" have not been "dem supporters" for decades, and can therefore not be blamed for actions that accumulated over the course of decades. "Dem supporters" is not a monolith in that way.
This is like trying to blame the current Chicago White Sox players for the way the team has been mismanaged over the last few decades to arrive where they are. It doesn't work. Blame the management over the period, sure, not the ones trying to fix it now. What could Andrew Benintendi have done this season to prevent this outcome? It's just silly. Absolutely nothing.
This is exactly why the question is a short term question.
Yes the young are clearly far less to blame for the state of the world.
When I'm saying we are to blame, I'm well aware that that doesn't include the young people.
We have no quick fixes for them. If harris had won we would have dodged some bullets this time, as we did with biden, but nothing would change.
When I'm saying we are to blame, I'm well aware that that doesn't include the young people.
We have no quick fixes for them. If harris had won we would have dodged some bullets this time, as we did with biden, but nothing would change.
You should also be aware that it doesn't include a sizable chunk, likely most, of the rest of the "dem supporters" too. Fewer than you seem to think have been "dem supporters" for decades. That's the point I'm making that you appear to be trying to diminish by bringing up "young people."
blah blah blah…..
When they understood the democratic party lied to them disgustingly keeping a demented president as a candidate for "4 more years" some of them started hating you and they were right.
it was insulting , it was disgusting, it was a fraud attempt, and you paid the price.
Another stupid take that is untethered to the facts from the Italian desk.
You should also be aware that it doesn't include a sizable chunk, likely most, of the rest of the "dem supporters" too. Fewer than you seem to think have been "dem supporters" for decades. That's the point I'm making that you appear to be trying to diminish by bringing up "young people."
I agree the older people are more responsible and it's not binary.
I'm really not sure what you're point is. Our side is responsible - not all equally and some not at all.
I agree the older people are more responsible and it's not binary.
I'm really not sure what you're point is. Our side is responsible - not all equally and some not at all.
Don't know why you're not sure what my point is. I've stated it repeatedly. Someone blamed "dem supporters" as if they were more responsible for this outcome than the actual current people that failed to vote for Harris. I was stating the many reasons why this is stupid, not the least obvious of which is that "dem supporters" could not have done anything to affect the outcome of this election at all. You seemed to agree with that in stating that it would have taken decades of work, which then would be a group other than the referenced "dem supporters" since that population changes drastically over time.
That's the conversation you walked in on. Just catching you up.
Hence the dying man analogy.
I got it.
I'm not tryign to fight you. I'm saying that sure we need to oppose trump but if we want to beat the likes of trump/etc in the future we need to stop blaming the other side so much, focus on our own side far more and understand there's no easy fix.
It's astonishing that these dummies still don't get why the democrats lost the election.
Hence the dying man analogy.
I got it.
I'm not tryign to fight you. I'm saying that sure we need to oppose trump but if we want to beat the likes of trump/etc in the future we need to stop blaming the other side so much, focus on our own side far more and understand there's no easy fix.
I totally understand. I'm not a democrat, though, and don't really identify with that fight. My fight would be to pull much further left. And I've not been here all that long (I'm a recent US citizen from Canada originally). I still know how to not waste my vote and that Harris was still the easiest choice in the world.
I sympathise with that
I'd have probably very reluctantly voted for harris but it wouldn't be an easy choice. We have to demand better.
I cant imagine looking at the state of the world at the hand of the USA and thinking, yep this should continue. the Dems are responsible for 100s of thousands of dead in Ukraine and Palestine.
there is not lesser of two evils. there is no harm reduction. its just a vote for which figurehead leads the genocide.
Enjoy the trump sh show you caused and the absolute carnage that he will cause in Ukraine and Palestine. It's on you, chief.
I totally understand. I'm not a democrat, though, and don't really identify with that fight. My fight would be to pull much further left. And I've not been here all that long (I'm a recent US citizen from Canada originally). I still know how to not waste my vote and that Harris was still the easiest choice in the world.
democrats lost because they were perceived as too leftist and your fight is to pull them much further to the left.
you guys live in an alternative reality
