The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Oh wow, that is quite the quote. Unbelievable really, even the staunchest canadian conservatives who want a trump-style reform in Canada should be able to recognize that Trump was planning to release a world of hurt on Canada.
One other good point here:
Because (for now) the super big tarrifs seem only to apply to Canada and Mexico, it means american importers can respond by just importing from everywhere else in the world. If instead it was an across the board tarrif well yes it would really hurt Canada as such a huge trading partner, but it wouldn't give Canada a unique global disadvantage.
LOL, no.
I did get the part about Harris wrong because you said this when it was Biden running, but given that you stuck by this even when Trump was promising 10% tariffs, I highly doubt your mind changed on this issue when Harris became the candidate.
I stand corrected on that but when did I post it out of curiosity? You do realize I have also said multiple times in the last 3-4 months that if I was an American I could not vote for either candidate and felt Trump was unfit for President . As the campaign progresses folks can change their minds
You do realize Trump spouts a ton of Rhetoric that also never happens .
Also lets realize with a new PM many of these things could change . Trump dispises Trudeau and for good reason
Well there are two options. One is Trump sycophants can parrot Trump talking points about Canada needing to "Secure the border" when they have literally never even thought of this talking point before. That's what you did.
Lol the left has the best mind reading skills! Maybe I brought it yesterday because it's one of the reasons we are being threatened with tariffs?
Or, Canadians can band together, set partisanship aside, and do everything possible to reject the ridiculousness of slapping an insane 25% across the board tarrif that will cripple Canada's economy. That's not going to be easy. But it is the only way.
List 5 things Canadians can and should do to "band together" and reject this. Is securing the boarder not a simplest solution?
Lol I'm not re-googling for you. The simple fact is Trudeau already significantly increased military spending from the Harper years. I'm sorry you were not aware of that.
Poilievre is slimy, sneaky guy. He COULD pledge - today - that his government will meet the 2% target. That is what Trudeau did. But he refuses to. Now you twisted that reality to demand a quote of him saying he would NOT meet the target, well of course Poilievre won't pledge the opposite. Nevertheless, his failure to pledge to
Of course if he slaps 25% tariffs on everything its going to hurt Canada but its also going to hurt Americans . Ill believe it when it happens.
You got anything to backup your claim ?
I seriously doubt more illegals went Canada to us then the other way around .
We had massive problem here in Quebec with too many immigrants crossing illegally ….
Yes your Premier has complained about it and begged Justin to do more. Please enlighten me on what he has done ?
Oh no question more illegals crossed into the USA from Mexico . Heck 500,000 minors under Bidens term I think Canada's high was 40,000 this year
Lol the left has the best mind reading skills! Maybe I brought it yesterday because it's one of the reasons we are being threatened with tariffs?
Lol. Indeed, Donald Trump says jump and you JUMPED. Probably never crossed your mind or any other Bernier-bro's mind that "secure the border" was going to be some political talking point you were going to be repeating. But trump said it. And so you said it.
Unfortunately there is no obvious clear path to fix the attack from Trump on Canada. There is no easy5 step plan. Trudeau's team (and to be fair provincial counterparts across the spectrum) dealt with this fairly competently with a lot of consistent pressure and negotiating for well over a year back in the NAFTA renegotiations and the aluminum and steel tarrifs of the 1st trump administration. This threat is far greater and Canada will have to fight back as hard and as united as possible.
This isn't helped by maple magas genuflecting.
Lol the left has the best mind reading skills! Maybe I brought it yesterday because it's one of the reasons we are being threatened with tariffs?
List 5 things Canadians can and should do to "band together" and reject this. Is securing the boarder not a simplest solution?
Lol. Indeed, Donald Trump says jump and you JUMPED. Probably never crossed your mind or any other Bernier-bro's mind that "secure the border" was going to be some political talking point you were going to be repeating. But trump said it. And so you said it.
Unfortunately there is no obvious clear path to fix the attack from Trump on Canada. There is no easy5 step plan. Trudeau's team (and to be fair provincial counterparts across the spectrum) dealt with this fairly competently with a lot of con
here is the first two Items
Scrap your 6 billion $ gst holiday and $250 check and invest that 6 billion into defense
Have someone Fly down to and meet with Tom Homan or Trump and ask him how he would like us to secure our border
Yes your Premier has complained about it and begged Justin to do more. Please enlighten me on what he has done ?
Oh no question more illegals crossed into the USA from Mexico . Heck 500,000 minors under Bidens term I think Canada's high was 40,000 this year
Ok but what does have to do with trump wanting Canada to do more if it’s canada that receives more illegals ?
And fwiw the disparities are so huge between Mexico and Canada about illegal immigrations it’s pretty ridiculous to have the same tariffs punishments.
I suspect there is more to the story then that …
Lol. Indeed, Donald Trump says jump and you JUMPED. Probably never crossed your mind or any other Bernier-bro's mind that "secure the border" was going to be some political talking point you were going to be repeating. But trump said it. And so you said it.
Lol he just posted it yesterday so we are discussing it. It's more like left wing nuts were waiting for their opportunity to use Trump to help Trudeau and the Liberals, which is why you are jumping all over this.
Unfortunately there is no obvious clear path to fix the attack from Trump on Canada. There is no easy5 step plan. Trudeau's team (and to be fair provincial counterparts across the spectrum) dealt with this fairly competently with a lot of consistent pressure and negotiating for well over a year back in the NAFTA renegotiations and the aluminum and steel tarrifs of the 1st trump administration. This threat is far greater and Canada will have to fight back as hard and as united as possible.
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So why is fighting as hard as United as possible with our greatest ally easier than just securing the border?
wtf does "secure the border" even mean? Like I get that you have thought about this for less than a day and are only saying it now because you repeat trump talking points - but that doesn't mean they make an iota of sense. We have 8800km of border with the US. What does "securing" it actually mean? Hey Mr. 5 Step Plan let's hear it!
Maybe - just maybe - the evil left wing nuts are actually worried that a 25% tariff will screw the economy and it isn't some opportunistic game to help Trudeau. But then remember, only one of us is repeating Trump talking points.
here is the first two Items
Scrap your 6 billion $ gst holiday and $250 check and invest that 6 billion into defense
Ok. Quick question, though. Your buddy just proposed cutting the GST on new builds. You were raving about it. I don't remember you complaining ITT that he should invest that money in defense instead? I assume that any time Poilievre proposes any form of tax cut you will say the same, right?
oh right your boy won't even make a basic pledge yet you STILL try to use this issue to attack the other side.
Ok. Quick question, though. Your buddy just proposed cutting the GST on new builds. You were raving about it. I don't remember you complaining ITT that he should invest that money in defense instead? I assume that any time Poilievre proposes any form of tax cut you will say the same, right?
oh right your boy won't even make a basic pledge yet you STILL try to use this issue to attack the other side.
I said that Pierre's policy of cutting the GST on homes under a million $ will help me as a small builder than Justin's Housing accelerator fund .
Has a reporter ever asked Pierre what is your plan on NATO defense spending ? Also you are so disingenuous as you know opposition parties do not release most of their plans until an election is called. Their job is to act as the opposition
Deep down with the size of our deficit meeting NATO defense spending is going to be tough but it doesn't take a math professor to realize that spending 6 billion $ on checks for $250 and a GST holiday on chips and booze is Fxxcing nuts when your deficit is 45 billion
I said that Pierre's policy of cutting the GST on homes under a million $ will help me as a small builder than Justin's Housing accelerator fund .
Has a reporter ever asked Pierre what is your plan on NATO defense spending ? Also you are so disingenuous as you know opposition parties do not release mot of their plans until an election is called. Their job is to act as the opposition
Indeed. When Poilievre proposed a tax you said not a single word about NATO and how it should be spent on NATO instead. My guess is every other spending program or tax made by Poilievre you will ALSO not say a single word about NATO. Yet for Trudeau, this is your new goto whataboutism.
Yes, many reporters have asked Poilievre precisely whether he will or will not commit to a 2% target. He has refused to say, typically doing precisely what you do is a lozen style whataboutism to something bad about Trudeau. It is embarrassing that a hopeful PM cannot make a simple pledge. Why you give him a free pass on this I don't know.
While it is true that a full, detailed, costed platform doesn't typically get released until the election is called, this cycle is an outlier in that we have been told shockingly little about what Poilievre will do except a couple things on a couple files. He will ax the rebate that puts money in people's pockets, and he will ax the housing accelerator fund that helps communities build new homes. On most files we can at most make guesses based on vague opposition, but on a historical basis this is one of the least policy-centered pre election periods where we have really no idea what Poilievre will actually do.
wtf does "secure the border" even mean? Like I get that you have thought about this for less than a day and are only saying it now because you repeat trump talking points - but that doesn't mean they make an iota of sense. We have 8800km of border with the US. What does "securing" it actually mean? Hey Mr. 5 Step Plan let's hear it!
Who's knows, it's not my job to meet with him and see what he wants. But working with him rather than wanting to band together and "fight" probably isn't the best idea or best way to start a negotiation.
Maybe - just maybe - the evil left wing nuts are actually worried that a 25% tariff will screw the economy and it isn't some opportunistic game to help Trudeau. But then remember, only one of us is repeating Trump talking points.
Doubtful, since your first reaction is banding together and fighting while not at all being interested in solving anything. It's just "see everyone, orange man bad" we need to "band together and fight".
Indeed. When Poilievre proposed a tax you said not a single word about NATO and how it should be spent on NATO instead. My guess is every other spending program or tax made by Poilievre you will ALSO not say a single word about NATO. Yet for Trudeau, this is your new goto whataboutism.
Yes, many reporters have asked Poilievre precisely whether he will or will not commit to a 2% target. He has refused to say, typically doing precisely what you do is a lozen style whataboutism to something bad abo
Its not what can Pierre doits about will Justin do. Do you not think it be a wise choice to meet with Trump or anyone else face to face and see what he expects us to do? Here is a reality check for you Trump will be the President and Trudeau will not but he still has 9 months left. When Pierre is PM than call me out if I do not question him if he hands out 6 billion $ without any thought
Its not what can Pierre doits about will Justin do. Do you not think it be a wise choice to meet with Trump or anyone else face to face and see what he expects us to do? Here is a reality check for you Trump will be the President and Trudeau will not but he still has 9 months left. When Pierre is PM than call me out if I do not question him if he hands out 6 billion $ without any thought
Lol, way to ignore every single point. Great way to weasel out of your hypocrisy once again.
As matter of fact, Trudeau ALREADY HAS spoken directly to Trump since the announcement. Are you going to praise him for being “wise”?
Since Poilievre is going to be PM in nine months, as you suggest, it seems reasonable to point out the many many failings he has not least of which is refusing to pledge the 2% to NATO that you bring up over and over about Trudeau not doing it. So just sit there and visually nine months from now, THEN will you criticize poilievre for giving tax breaks to Canada instead of funding the military????
Who's knows, it's not my job to meet with him and see what he wants. But working with him rather than wanting to band together and "fight" probably isn't the best idea or best way to start a negotiation.
Lmao. You were the one who instantly took up the SECURE THE BORDER chant the moment your buddy said it - you telling me now you have zero idea what it even means?
And just lol at getting mad at saying "fight". A massive, history-breaking trade war has just been launched on is. Saying we should fight back should be anodyne. Obviously we should. That doesn't mean not "meeting with him" (Trudeau has ALREADY spoken with Trump), but it does mean to set aside partisanship in Canada and work together in solidarity. Having Trump sycophants in canada parrot his talking points doesn't help.
Lmao. You were the one who instantly took up the SECURE THE BORDER chant the moment your buddy said it - you telling me now you have zero idea what it even means?
I never said I don't know what it means and I didn't chant it, I said it because it was in Trump's post.... But since you asked maybe it has something to do with these:
WBZ visited the Swanton Sector last March, when illegal border crossings were climbing, and Border Patrol had already arrested a record 7,000 people in fiscal year 2023.
"It was a flood we had not seen before. It was an exponential shift," said Erik Lavallee at the time. Lavallee is the Border Patrol Agent in Charge of the Beecher Falls Station in Vermont.
19,000 people arrested in 2024
Since then, illegal crossings have continued to skyrocket with roughly 19,000 people arrested in fiscal year 2024. That is about the same amount as the last 17 years combined. Although, Customs and Border Protection notes that the Swanton Sector has seen a 52-percent reduction in encounters since the height of crossings in June.
In October, we spoke with Lavallee again about how human smuggling remains rampant. Authorities say Khan was planning to hire a human smuggler to cross the border.
"We have multiple identified transnational criminal organizations that are transporting people away from the border," Lavallee said.
More terror suspects at northern border
Agents continue to encounter criminal activity, from smuggled box turtles to illegal firearms to self-admitted gang members. Far more terror suspects are encountered on the northern border than to the south, although most are encountered at ports of entry.
And just lol at getting mad at saying "fight". A massive, history-breaking trade war has just been launched on is. Saying we should fight back should be anodyne. Obviously we should. That doesn't mean not "meeting with him" (Trudeau has ALREADY spoken with Trump), but it does mean to set aside partisanship in Canada and work together in solidarity. Having Trump sycophants in canada parrot his talking points doesn't help.
Again I never got mad, just saying liberals have been waiting for something like this to use and you are jumping all over it, using terms like "history breaking trade war" and over the top pearl clutching. It's a huge test for Trudeau and if he's not successful it will be another stain on his failed reign. You can't even say what working together in solidarity entails.
Lol, way to ignore every single point. Great way to weasel out of your hypocrisy once again.
As matter of fact, Trudeau ALREADY HAS spoken directly to Trump since the announcement. Are you going to praise him for being “wise”?
Since Poilievre is going to be PM in nine months, as you suggest, it seems reasonable to point out the many many failings he has not least of which is refusing to pledge the 2% to NATO that you bring up over and over about Trudeau not doing it. So just sit ther
Yup I am going to give him credit for making the 15 minute call and reacting quickly . Two thumbs up
Can you provide me with a link of the Pierre Tax cuts he has implemented
Lol. This might shock you, but you are allowed to critique - with the same standards - the PROPOSALS of poilievre. You don’t have to wait 9 months until you utter your first criticism. If you think Canada should cut taxes and instead should spend it on military spending you could equally critique the left and the right when they propose tax cuts. Don’t worry he barely has any proposals so this won’t generate much, you can mostly just repeat empty slogans.
But you won’t.
If you click on the little double arrows next to your name in the quote, it takes you directly to the original post. November 17, 2023.
You do realize I have also said multiple times in the last 3-4 months that if I was an American I could not vote for either candidate and felt Trump was unfit for President . As the campaign progresses folks can change their minds
I had no idea; I only have 10 posts on 2+2 since August, and 7 of those are in the last couple days, which reminds me I'm spending too much time on here again. Anyway, I'm glad to hear that. I will note though, that you said similar things back then - Trump wasn't unfit, you wouldn't vote for him, but if you had to choose it would be Trump, or he would be better for Canada, etc. If you changed your stance on that last part, that's great.
Of course, but he doesn't spout the rhetoric for good reason. I have little doubt it's just an opening salvo in a negotiation, but one he hopes to make very one-sided, which is why he's unlikely to be good for Canada. It's certainly not something you want to here, and never have from any other president.
Also lets realize with a new PM many of these things could change . Trump dispises Trudeau and for good reason
I hope you're not thinking that with Poilievre he'd suddenly back down and drop whatever goals he wants to achieve in trade with us. It certainly is possible that Poilievre could have a better time in negotiations, especially if he flatters Trump, kisses the ring, etc. Or not. It's Trump, so who really knows for sure.
Lol. This might shock you, but you are allowed to critique - with the same standards - the PROPOSALS of poilievre. You don’t have to wait 9 months until you utter your first criticism. If you think Canada should cut taxes and instead should spend it on military spending you could equally critique the left and the right when they propose tax cuts. Don’t worry he barely has any proposals so this won’t generate much, you can mostly just repeat empty slogans.
But you won’t.
right back at ya ;p. every word and policy is a war! pewpewpepw. loonie feel 1% I hope hes just saying ****. this is why I was anti trump
