***Official H&F LC Thread***

Lets keep in mind Putin was the great reformer. He was wildly praised as someone who got out the corrupt people. And he 100% did that. Full stop. He then summarily replaced them with his own.

American healthcare is so incredibly ****ed. It needs ti burned to the ground. We are subsidizing the world. The "Health and Fitness""

PS you shitblibs would hate to find out what Yurop views fluoride on.

can't tell if Melk legitimately believes that truth starts and ends with peer reviewed academic research (asinine) or if he's trying to make a rhetorical point because I don't wanna read the whole debate. CitationNeeded.jpg meme.

As one of the the / people, I feel the urge to ask: Do you think people of your skin color have the raw horsepower (in terms of IQ) equivalent to jews or asians?

Health insurance might be part of it, but look at how much USA #1 consumes pharma like it’s candy. Instead of you know, eating less and moving a little everyone wants ozempic to lose weight. And look at how much usa#1 spends on Pharma, cost of those drugs compared to rest of world. And how much doctors and the non-profit hospital systems bring in.

Yeah, as a casual and not totally informed observer, my POV is that if Trump could justify a Patel like appointment to any area of his Gubmint it would be to send someone in to blow up or overhaul the entire health care/health insurance/pharma area

Obvs that’s basically impossible and obvs it wouldn’t happen for ‘follow the money’ reasons but it seems to me to be the area that is most out of whack

on average? **** no. Anyone who believes the contrary is statistically illiterate. And even the most staunch ideologues/statistical illiterates would quickly change their mind after spending almost 10 years in an Asian country surrounded by elite level Chinese students. I think even African American IQ with lots of white genes is around 87 vs white average around 98-102. Jews and Asians (not necessarily mainland Chinese, but let's not get into that) are higher still than that. It's like a different universe in a modern traditional Asian or Jewish American community and an African American community. Obviously within group variation allows for many melanin gifted individuals to be much higher IQ than some individual whites/asians/jews. My black dad had infinitely more intellectual horsepower and capacity for abstraction than my white mom.

I'm a bit surprised you would ask me this question. I used to post all the time about how a lot of leftist policies created a dysgenic environment for African Americans and either slowed down or reversed what had historically been a narrowing black/white IQ gap. But maybe you were not active at that time. Evolution didn't stop once we discovered it and entered the modern era; it has only been accelerating as time passes...

I'm getting well beyond your question, but ultimately progressives who want to improve the situation of the less fortunate are ignoring genes and heredity at their own peril... these are intergenerational multi-decade problems, not problems that can be fixed with redistributive bandaids.

Lol Mcdonald but still a great video. Dr. Mike is kinda the Rippetoe of our time. Homie put all of his points into intelligence and had wisdom as his dump stat. A really smart self righteous idiot. I still think somebody blindly following Dr. Mike's advice on training/diet is going to be at a much higher level of fitness than somebody on their 5th year of the texas method eating 4k calories a day at 210lbs 22% bodyfat trying to squat 4 plates for 5 before they are considered an advanced trainee.

His dogmatism and lack of humility is his own undoing in his own fitness endeavours. I actually think his training is mostly spot on, just his diet approach is really bad. He's also just kinda weird and occasionally really mean to people for arbitrary reasons.

I haven’t read any studies on this but the two communities/ethnicities you outlined as having the highest IQs in Asian and Jewish are also the two that IME seem to have by far the largest cultural focus on the importance of education in their communities. In primary school, many of the Asian kids that my kids knew/were friends with were already getting academic coaching and had way way stricter rules around homework and educational standards than the rest of the classes. Most of the Jewish kids I know/know of go to Jewish schools so I don’t have the same knowledge of their habits but again, the community and family work ethic in the Jewish culture and the seriousness with which they value achievement is evident

I’d always assumed that is why they do better at school rather than because of inbuilt advantages/capabilities due to their ethnicity?

Mostly irrelevant how its transmitted （genes vs culture). Culture is just an evolutionary mechanism which influences what is defined as "fitness" in a reproductive context. If blacks raised in middle class white families have higher correlation with biological parents IQ than adoptive parents, then it's probably not an unreasonable inference to suggest the same would be true of Asians or Jews. But lets say we have two African Americans with the same IQ and one is raised in the middle class white family and the other is raised in a lower class black family; it's not a mystery which one will have more academic success for a given IQ score.

It's definitely a combination of both. But ignoring the genetic component because of some ideological marriage to blank slatism is just peak ignorance. Academic advantage or a culture of emphasizing academic success could be from something other than innate advantage in IQ. Personality traits like conscientiousness and neuroticism are also heritable, for instance.

That said, you may find this very white-pilling and feel good if the idea that some races may have higher IQs due to genetic factors than others bothers you (it clearly doesn't bother me and it may be true):

To clarify before any nazism accusations: Not saying blacks are innately lower IQ and are doomed to be as such forever, but rather environmental pressures were rapidly closing the black white IQ gap. Put African descended peoples into an environment with the same selective pressures as other ethnicities and that gap probably closes within a few generations.

That wasn't my claim. You never seem to get those right.

Anyway, Rich, if you can't see how clownish this is, you're beyond help.

You seem to think you can do this:

Melk: Dumber voters tend to vote Trump
Rich Muny: I don't care what evidence is out there unless you have IQ numbers for Harris voters and Trump voters it is unproven and cannot be true. We need to see a statistically significant difference in multiple studies and maybe I'll consider it.

And also do this

Melk: So on what evidence are you basing your claim that shoplifting is a bigger problem in TX than CA
Rich Muny: LOL I don't need stats or evidence or anything to prove that. It's obvious. You're dumb to even ask the question. We had an election, we don't need anything else
Melk: But where is the statistical significance
Rich Muny: Oh, election is good enough evidence. Obviously

And there is no contradiction whatsoever? Come on, man.

Man, emoken, you disappoint me. It's obviously a rhetorical point. Here are the cliffs.

Rich Muny is claiming that unless we have MULTIPLE studies showing a statistically significant difference in IQ between Harris voters and Trump voters, there is effectively zero evidence that Harris voters are smarter. Even that wouldn't be enough, because he says anyone who would do that study is obviously a biased lib.

Rich Muny also never holds any of this other claims to that standard. Needing multiple perfectly conducted studies showing statistical significance is only something that he needs when it's something that he doesn't want to believe.

That was what was in the text walls that you missed.

Sorry you're feeling so left out, NotThremp. Just had time to read the last LOL Muny post yesterday. You're certainly imaging a lot of positions that I don't actually hold. I'm not sure I disagree all that much with above. My confidence is probably a bit higher than yours.

Rich is bad at reading, but in the event you're not following the text walls close, I'm certainly not claiming it (i.e. dumber voters tend to vote Trump) is definitively proven. However, I do think that it is more likely true than not true.

The newspeak part is "lol", though. Presumably you've read the book you're alluding to. In it, using anything other than newspeak is discouraged. As I told you already, that's not my position. You are free to use the term illegal aliens and I certainly acknowledge there is nothing incorrect about saying it that way. I prefer "undocumented" (when referring to people who are indeed undocumented), as it is also accurate. I also have no interest in forcing you to use that term, newspeak-style. I suppose there are people out there who think that "undocumented" is the only acceptable term. Perhaps you are confusing me with them.

Gotcha, sorry for the confusion.

That said, Thremp makes a good point. To make the claim "Kamala Voters are smarter than trump voters" it'd be better to add the caveat ", holding race/ethnicity constant". The black white IQ gap is so massive and American non-immigrant black women are extremely ideologically married to the democratic party which could bring the average IQ of Kamala voters down very significantly.

You failed to prove that contention. That's my point. You can say that's your opinion all you want, but you can't say it's somehow proven fact because it isn't.

How have not you not heard of CA shoplifting issues? It's been a national story.

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wgaf tho? sometimes a group of on average dumber people solve problems a whole lot better than a group of smarter people. I'm sure the people behind communist revolutions were also far higher IQ on average than the incumbent rulers and look what happened. Pol Pot was probably pretty high IQ and certainly high educational attainment.

A more salient example would be members of an actually religious (not fake cucked religion) lower class predominantly white church vs a group of people really into anti-natalism and have some social club celebrating it. OFC the members of the first group have way lower average IQs, but if you're choosing somebody to manage or govern literally anything, which group would you rather pick from?

Capacity for abstraction and thinking can lead you to overthinking your way into some really stupid conclusions instead of just going with your gut and very primitive senses of right and wrong.

Guy,

I just wanted to hear the rant again. It is nice reading.

And yes, being smart doesn't really matter if you're a whackjob.

One of the more amusing things over the last few days is reading shitlib reasoning for Joey Boden pardoning Hunter (who very clearly owned the laptop and was selling influence, even beyond the usual chickenshit like running that hedge fund or the Clinton's charity). Instead of being like "Hey man, it is definitely wrong, but I'd prob pardon my POS cokehead borderline child molester son, cause he's still my son." We have some pretty epic mental gymnastics.

Melk,

You should learn what newspeak actually means. It is pretty clear you didn't read 1984. I'd suggest a dictionary.

at least in this version we have doubleplusgood razors. i want to look good when fire and brimstone fall like rain.

When Bill Clinton pardoned his brother Roger, IIRC he basically said "yeah, he's my brother." Roger had already served his time, too, so at least he had been punished. Biden's justifications for the sweeping Hunter pardon were laughable.

I never said I hadn't heard of it. I asked the basis of your claim.

Now, let's Rich Muny this, shall we?

Hey, unless you give me relative incidence rates, arrest rates, and prosecution rates AND you show a statistically significant difference between the two states when correcting for population, numbers of stores, etc., you haven't proven anything, have you? After all, that is the Rich Muny way. And if it's not proven by the Rich Muny standard, then you can't really claim it.

So you can say that's your opinion all you want, but it isn't fact!

I have to say, the Rich Muny way makes it real easy to reject anything that I want to reject. Great system you've got there!

I would agree with that as well, although I think that it is true even without the caveat. With the caveat, the difference is probably larger. IIRC only 10-15% of the population is African American, so it really shouldn't be that surprising if the effect persists even if you don't apply the caveat.

maybe i'm not racist enough and need to try harder (will work on that), but i had absolutely zero inkling you were mixed from your pics

Again, you don't understand the definition of newspeak. I'm not going to engage with someone uneducated since it is by definition impossible to discuss and you're unwilling to be educated. Again, I encourage you to use get a dictionary or keep falling back on weird mental gymnastics to cope.

generally only other mixed race and black people can recognize it. Whites basically always assume latino (partially correct) and Chinese guess correctly maybe 5-10% of the time.

So I'm genuinely curious. In an effort to avoid 4chan levels of confusion about whiteness (essentially small white v big white, IE are people from the Caucuses white?), lets assume that we are talking about big white. When you see someone mocha colored do you assume he's a dagestani rebel or do you just kinda shrug and move on?

If we look to noted luminaries of antiracist theory, the first step to being less racist is to identify racism which is impossible without being able to identify one's race. (Kinda ipso facto, but it is always funny when there is misguided racism like throwing anti-Mexican slurs at someone Indian.) Obviously people like Kendi are complete buffoons, but it does raise a salient point that both antiracists and Nazis and other race first ideologues agree on, that race is the most important thing and we need to be able to identify one's race. Usually this is done by accepting someone's self-identification in most circumstances, but appears problematic for race since member's of a group can exclude someone else based on arbitrary criteria (See not actually Native American Lizzie Warren, who actually is a great bankruptcy luminary before she became a whackjob senator). In this specific example, you need to actually join the club (they call it a tribe) to identify as a Native American which obviously comes with strict racial guidelines. The Cherokee Nation requires 1/16th ancestry of listed names from a sheet of paper from 1924. Simply being of sufficient lineage doesn't mean you are Cherokee, since it requires filling out the forms as well.

https://www.doi.gov/tribes/enrollment

So if you see someone who looks Native American, is 100% Native American by lineage, and dressed up like a historical Native American, but explains they've given up their tribal membership due to it being an incredibly corrupt racket which kills people. You are obligated, under antiracist theory, to explain that they are not Native American and are appropriating another culture, otherwise you are actually a racist.

Hope this helps!