UnitedHealth CEO Assassinated
The murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO is a strange story. On the one hand, the killer obviously was taking steps to avoid getting caught. He was wearing a hoodie. He used a silencer. He clearly had an escape plan.
On the other hand, he was wearing a distinctive backpack. He may have left a food wrapper and a water bottle at the scene. And there was writing on each of the three shell casings (the words "deny," "defend," and "depose").
not if you defend this guy pro bono if he ever gets caught
I mean, the whole notion of comic book superheroes are fundamentally silly, fascist, and indefensible. They're not supposed to be a place for adults to draw moral lessons from.
Literally every other developed nation has rejected the American healthcare system.
I was responding to Diebitter's comment about how this is like a TV show where the UHC assassin was The Punisher. My point was that even an unhinged psychopath like The Punisher was written to be more sane about this issue than certain people in this thread.
As for "every other developed nation blah blah blah", I'm fairly certain that those countries are not approving 100% of treatments or procedures either.
Even if a country had 100% socialized medicine, in that case the government steps into the shoes of the insurance companies. I'm not surprised you glossed over what I thought was an obvious point so you can interject with the standard "America bad!"
If a provision is intended to be a trap for the unwary, that's obviously a huge problem as well. I don't remember calling the insurer when my wife went into labor (and I can't imagine that it would have occurred to me), but obviously not all plans are the same.
We have never called the insurance company before going in for any medical appointment or procedure (I'm sure the provider has received pre-authorization for some things). They always pay.
It's even more complicated than you are suggesting imo. When people talk colloquially about denial of claims, they are describing a variety of distinct scenarios, including (but not limited to) the following:
For example:
1) Person seeks coverage for fertility treatment, gender affirming care, treatment that will extend life for only a brief period, etc. Health care plan specifically does not cover the treatment. Insurer refuses to pay.
2) Doctor believes that a procedure/treatment is medicall
--Something important you are not bringing up, which is very important to the insurance company calculations; is the insurance companies mitigating against fraud against them. There is a tremendous amount of fraud on the health care side with over-billing insurance companies. It is just something baked into the system and accepted. So a policy of generally slow-rolling accepting claims is a way for insurance companies to protect themselves against fraud against them.
I am over-generalizing, but at some level what insurance companies do is filtering. At the end of the day most legitimate claims will get accepted (with exceptions of course). But by making hospitals/patients/doctors often go though a bunch of seemingly unnecessary (and cruel) hoops to get to that point is how the insurance companies protect themselves from being over-charged.
It is just how the system works.
I was responding to Diebitter's comment about how this is like a TV show where the UHC assassin was The Punisher. My point was that even an unhinged psychopath like The Punisher was written to be more sane about this issue than certain people in this thread.
Right. It's extremely silly to draw some kind of moral lesson about vigilante violence from any comic book in general, and especially from a hero who's explicitly amoral, but here we are.
As for "every other developed nation blah blah blah", I'm fairly certain that those countries are not approving 100% of treatments or procedures either.
The simple truth is that America's healthcare system is objectively worse than anything the rest of the developed world would tolerate. Of course I never implied there's a country where literally 100% of claims get approved, that's a rather obvious bit of sophistry on your part.
Like, you can make valid points against vigilante justice without needing to defend the legitimacy of the shooter's grievances; as a lawyer you should be able to recognize that.
We dont anymore, but we had Kaiser during our kids being born, and having everything tremendously centralized made things extremely easy. Of course we got sent some manageable (for us) bills after the fact for stuff that wasn't covered; but there was no issues with insurance.
--Something important you are not bringing up, which is very important to the insurance company calculations; is the insurance companies mitigating against fraud against them. There is a tremendous amount of fraud on the health care side with over-billing insurance companies. It is just something baked into the system and accepted. So a policy of generally slow-rolling accepting claims is a way for insurance companies to protect themselves against fraud against them.
I am over-generalizing, b
I'm not convinced that the bolded is an indispensable part of fraud prevention. Credit card fraud is also widespread, but if there is an unauthorized charge, credit card companies generally don't spend a bunch of time forcing you to prove that you didn't authorize someone to use your credit card number to buy a 60-inch TV from a Best Buy in Toledo.
Watching the youtoobz, pretty good case that a welrod was not the weapon used. More likely a normal semi auto with a shitty suppressor that the shooter was aware of.
Watching the youtoobz, pretty good case that a welrod was not the weapon used. More likely a normal semi auto with a shitty suppressor that the shooter was aware of.
I possibly watched the same video you did. Apparently there is a twisting motion that has to be done to load the Welrod and that isn't seen in the video.
We dont anymore, but we had Kaiser during our kids being born, and having everything tremendously centralized made things extremely easy. Of course we got sent some manageable (for us) bills after the fact for stuff that wasn't covered; but there was no issues with insurance.
Kaiser, if you are referring to the HMO, and United are completely different in their structure and operation.
A family member had a claim denied because when she went into labor she didn’t call the insurer to let them know she was going to the hospital. It’s in the fine print that she was supposed to. So they denied her claim for the entire birth and everything included in that.
You may be missing part of the picture- for example, she may have gone out of network for non emergency care.
CNN reporting they caught the suspected shooter, so we can all breathe a little safer.
Reporting that they found a silencer and a bunch of fake IDs on him.
He is said to have a manifesto.
One of the fake IDs was used to check into the NY hostel.
Maybe im missing something, and shooting the ceo because you hate the company already puts you in peak diot territory, but wtf is he holding on to the worst imaginable items to be used against you when they were currently running off of a pic?
I mean, a manifesto, fake ids and a silencer? LB what happened here?
Sources say he tried to buy his big mac with monopoly money.
Maybe im missing something, and shooting the ceo because you hate the company already puts you in peak diot territory, but wtf is he holding on to the worst imaginable items to be used against you when they were currently running off of a pic?
I mean, a manifesto, fake ids and a silencer? LB what happened here?
Maybe he expected to get caught, and was fleeing on an off-chance?
Maybe it's not him but a fall guy from his group (if there is one)?
Maybe im missing something, and shooting the ceo because you hate the company already puts you in peak diot territory, but wtf is he holding on to the worst imaginable items to be used against you when they were currently running off of a pic?
I mean, a manifesto, fake ids and a silencer? LB what happened here?
Idk. Perhaps what was considered all of his meticulous planning was him just running hot.
This is the McDonalds where he was recognized by customers:
Why would he go to McDonald's if he could go to Popeyes or Wendy's?
The suspects name is Luigi Mangione.
Totally didn't expect the wife to hire a hitman who writes manifestos. Sounds like she really went to some lengths to throw people off the trail.
Just like you wouldn't think election workers would cover up windows at a polling station [strike]to keep psychotic knuckleheads at bay so they can work safely[/strike] to steal an election, amirite?
Just face it dude - this guy was not hired to whack the husband.
