Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
Whataboutism is a fair counter argument in this particular context and might reveal double standards and hypocrisy for someone. Not to mention how deeply NATO countries are involved on Ukraine's side, so this is on topic
That said, yeah, sure I was against the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and marched in protest against both
Respect for consistency. Not sure it's a popular position here
unlike in Russia where even referring to this as a war would get me 15 years in prison.
No, it will not. Can't believe you fall for such blatant misinterpretation propaganda. You can refer to
or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coRxj5HK...
I was super pro-Ukrainian in 2022 (see https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/285/p...) but gradually changed my mind during 2023
Whataboutism is a fair counter argument in this particular context and might reveal double standards and hypocrisy for someone. Not to mention how deeply NATO countries are involved on Ukraine's side, so this is on topic
Lol no it isn't it's simply whataboutism and has no need to be entertained, in a thread discussing a war5 between Russia and Ukraine which Russia aggressively started.
Respect for consistency. Not sure it's a popular position here
Cheers and I wouldn't care if it was popular or not, I'm against aggression by any country.
No, it will not. Can't believe you fall for such blatant misinterpretation propaganda. You can refer to
or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coRxj5HK...It's not misinterpretation. From your link:
On 4 March 2022, Russian Federal Laws No.31-FZ and No.32-FZ were adopted by State Duma, approved by the Federation Council and signed by the President of Russia. The former law supplemented the Code of the Russian Federation on Administrative Offenses with articles 20.3.3 and 20.3.4,[4] while the latter supplemented the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with articles 207.3, 280.3 and 284.2.[5] These articles set punishments for making statements against the Russian Armed Forces or for calling for sanctions. A "discrediting" of the armed forces, including calls that their use was not in the interests of the Russian Federation, carried large fines for natural and juridicial persons (article 20.3.3) and up to five years imprisonment (article 280.3). The dissemination of "unreliable information" about the armed forces and its operation could be punished with up to fifteen years imprisonment (article 207.3).[6][7] Calls to impose sanctions against Russia, Russian citizens or Russian legal entities carried a large fine (article 20.3.4) and up to 3 years imprisonment (article 284.2).
As for your youtube link, I don't speak Russian and even if it was subtitled, I wouldn't believe a word Putin says anyway.
I was super pro-Ukrainian in 2022 (see https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/285/p...) but gradually changed my mind during 2023
Fair enough, that is surprising admittedly and even more so that you changed your mind. But again Russia is the aggressor here. Ukraine isn't at fault and neither is NATO.
It's a classic misinterpretation - you worded it as "even referring to this as a war would get me 15 years in prison". So no, a regular person referring to this as a war would not get 15 years. Being a hardcore politic/blogger, whose dissemination of fake information lead to severe consequences - yes, that can lead to up to 15 years. Which I find an expected behaviour for a military time.
If you opened a source link for your embolden part
you would see "Sentences of up to three years or fines are envisaged for spreading what authorities deem to be false news about the military, but the maximum punishment rises to 15 years for cases deemed to have led to “severe consequences”"
hes cool with people getting locked up and tortured for months to years for innocuous facebook posts tho. dont expect consistency from him.
It's a classic misinterpretation - you worded it as "even referring to this as a war would get me 15 years in prison". So no, a regular person referring to this as a war would not get 15 years. Being a hardcore politic/blogger, whose dissemination of fake information lead to severe consequences - yes, that can lead to up to 15 years. Which I find an expected behaviour for a military time.
If you opened a source link for your embolden part
I remember sky news reporters in Russia being unable to refer to it as a war and had to say "what Russia insists in calling a special military operation", in order to get around it. There's no misinterpretation here, but there's plenty of spin right now. And again maximum punishment rises to 15 years. Gussy it up all you like it's still draconian and contemptible authoritarianism- and that's being kind- from Putin.
hes cool with people getting locked up and tortured for months to years for innocuous facebook posts tho. dont expect consistency from him.
Are you talking about me or that Putin Mini Me poster? If you are referring to me, then cite verbatim where I said that or else stop making stuff up. If you're not then you have my apologies in advance.
Man Russia was about to lose and trump will make them win ….
A 200 bips hiking interest rates coming to be set at 23% supposedly !
How long can they last ?
man did their bots spam all over the internet to make trump wins …..
Their prayers came through.
Ukraine says it killed senior Russian general who died in scooter blast in Moscow
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love that boris johnson turned up and said NO PEACE, and no one in ukraine or russia could do anything
proud to be british
Two guys just spreading Russian propaganda and we have to smile and nod while shooting down the firehose of falsehood.
does anyone still care?
I googled it to see what was going on and the first link i saw was the same human meat wave tactics headline ive seen 1000 but this time th north korean version!. Lol its finally believable now that its north Koreans
sounds legit
its totally cool that they are reporting 1000 casualties of north Korean solders. last i checked they have they have like the second or 3rd most ground soldiers. sounds like N Korea is fully invested now.
If there's 1000 casualties that means they brought alot. anyone got the numbers?
I would wait until Ukraine can produce a body or a dog tag or even a name.
Georgia president literally refused to step down after losing an election.
I have no idea. All I know is that the president herself said that she could not provide any evidence to the contrary.
Regardless, not sure what any of this has to do with Arnaud. I don't think he was involved in the video or translation nor did I link his tweet.
You did link a tweet which DID link his tweet though and then he linked another bloke's tweet which I then linked to show how he does novel reposts bruv try to keep up here, I mean I know it's the Christmas season but that's no excuse. Marxists like you prolly don't even celebrate Christmas due to it being the celebration of the birth of our lord Jesus something. We all know how you Marxists feel about religion. Anyway where was I? Yeah- you totally (essentially kinda) DID sorta link his tweet so I'm glad we got that sorted. 😀
I wasn't following Arnaud (but I am now after you brought him to my attention fwiw) but I don't think he is Marxist. I am positive that Drop Site is not Marxist lol.
I don't usually click the comments
