Trump 2nd term prediction thread
So, looks like Trump not only smashed the electoral college, but is looking on track to win the popular vote, which seems to be an unexpected turn of events, but a clear sign of the current temperature in the country and perhaps the wider world.
Would be interested to hear views on how his 2nd term will pan out from both sides of the aisle - major happenings, what he's going to get done, what he's not going to get done, the impact of his election on the current conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza, whether his popularity will remain the same, wane, or increase, etc.
A bit of an anemic OP, I know, just interested to hear people's thoughts now that the election uncertainty is over.
Dafuq?
MacMahon is a multibillionaire whose parents were administrative workers in a military base lol.
Vivek is upper middle class (quality immigrant parents, engineer and physician, the only kind of immigration which should exist) but that means he grew up in normal real america as well.
Isaacman is a working class fully self made tech entrepreneur.
Lutnick is the son of a painter and a college professor.
It's just a list of the actual best Americans you can find. The people who carry the whole nat
I think that sums up your worldview pretty clearly. Winning at the game of life = making billions... no matter the cost.
Vivek is a con artist.
MacMahon's... they like to enable to kiddie touchers.
Lutnick scammed investors.
Isaacman is actively involved in class action lawsuits that have violated several SEC laws (allegedly).
Seems like they are quite the "winners"... if all the matters is money. You left out all the people that were born into wealth, like Trump and Elon.
it's an alternative to dividends, nothing else.
if re investing in the company delivered higher returns they would invest there and the stock would increase because of it.
they are already pursuing all worthwhile investments definitionally.
you want then to pursue anti economic, inefficient investments through fiscal oppression, and that would be terrible for the economy in general.
once out of the company the money doesn't disappear and gets invested anyway.
and btw the only acceptable corporate in
But corporations are people... conservatives made it so.
Man, you have such binary major swings in your thinking. Having some form of correction in personal income taxes means you want no economic growth? Who is saying that?
Yeah, you're just not getting it. This isn't even about corporate tax, it's about personal income tax. When personal income tax is so low, that the return on taking that income directly, outweighs re-investing in your own company, or workers, for increased production, you take the income in the form of stock buy-backs.
I've not heard any legit economist disagree w/ this as an overall cause, so I'm curious what bad sources you listen to (mildly curious).
I think that sums up your worldview pretty clearly. Winning at the game of life = making billions... no matter the cost.
Vivek is a con artist.
MacMahon's... they like to enable to kiddie touchers.
Lutnick scammed investors.
Isaacman is actively involved in class action lawsuits that have violated several SEC laws (allegedly).
Seems like they are quite the "winners"... if all the matters is money. You left out all the people that were born into wealth, like Trump and Elon.
so after you lied obscenely claiming they were born in wealth, confronted with the actual objective truth that the majority of the billionaires Trump nominated were born in normal families and made their exceptional money themselves, you switch completely to "they made money in a way I disagree with".
they wern born normal and accomplished what very few manage to accomplish. and you hate then for that obviously. we celebrate them as some of the best people in society.
both trump and Elon were born in wealth but they, Musk especially, accomplished more than the vast majority of people who are born in immense wealth personally anyway.
in Musk case, he accomplished more than any human being before him in human history wrt business, and he still has decades (probably) to build upon that.
just one of Musk ventures would put you in the top500-1000 businessmen who ever lived inn human history. that he did it 4 times it such uniquely absurdly insane that even the haters have to admit he is truly one of a kind.
so after you lied obscenely claiming they were born in wealth, confronted with the actual objective truth that the majority of the billionaires Trump nominated were born in normal families and made their exceptional money themselves, you switch completely to "they made money in a way I disagree with".
they wern born normal and accomplished what very few manage to accomplish. and you hate then for that obviously. we celebrate them as some of the best people in society.
both trump and Elon were born
How to know when you're winning an argument, 101.
My goal isn't to win though. It's to get you to think... GL to me?
Stephens, Kushner, Elon, Trump, Loeffler, Vivek... none of those people grew up working class. Do I need to make a complete list? Maybe a better question if this is confusing is naming the people in Biden's admin that didn't grow up working class?
You said born in wealth, now you are born in wealth if your mother is an immigrant physician like Vivek? Jfc the bad faith.
Blinken father cofounded a private equity firm lol.
I've never understood the hate for stock buybacks.
they don't understand it's instead of higher dividends, they think it's some sort of scam because management with options gains from it more according to them.
alternatively in some cases they hate the idea that it is taxed less than dividends
they don't understand it's instead of higher dividends, they think it's some sort of scam because management with options gains from it more according to them.
alternatively in some cases they hate the idea that it is taxed less than dividends
Definitely, someone in here doesn't understand something. At least we can agree on that.
Whether they are taking stock buybacks or individual dividends, the problem remains the same. I've explained the problem above twice now.
I don't want to argue like this though. I'd prefer to come to a common understanding and talk about the core of the problem. Respectfully, not with you though Lucicom. I really don't agree with your worldview at all. Money is not the end all be all about life. You have a pretty simplistic understanding of things, that if people just work hard, and are smart enough, they should look to apply those qualities to the accumulation of capital. The more capital accumulation = the proof of winning life.
It's not unreasonable to understand why you have this position. You live in a country where the working class took advantage of positions they fought hard for and were not always honest arbitrators of fair working contracts. Your country needs some bend to the right. The problem is you equate this position w/ the working class in America, and there's nothing more incorrect about that assessment than thinking that the American working class has the same, or even remotely close to, working habits of the Italian working class. I'm still not sure if you fully understand this, and why that could incorrectly bend your assessment of American politics.
But anyway... onwards and upwards.
I hope everyone in here has a good weekend!
I genuinely can't tell if you're asking serious questions or not.
If you are, then I apologize if I've come off harsh at all. It's easy to assume things on the internet.
They make money like anyone who has a large platform. Book deals, speaking engagements, investments, royalties, consulting (obv less common and can create conflicts of interest).
And of course they leverage these things once out of office. Some more ethically than others.
they don't understand it's instead of higher dividends, they think it's some sort of scam because management with options gains from it more according to them.
alternatively in some cases they hate the idea that it is taxed less than dividends
Stock buybacks and dividend are not the same thing at all ……
Yes, I'm sure there's plenty of insider sharing of information.
Should we add up how much each side has gained in wealth so we can put a 1st and 2nd place of ethical standards next to both groups?
This again... has nothing to do w/ my initial point though.
Ya i get it.
All politicians fleece.
Personally I think people who have been successful before are better to run the biggest business in the world (USA) than riff raff middle class that hasn't accomplished much.
it's an alternative to dividends, nothing else.
if re investing in the company delivered higher returns they would invest there and the stock would increase because of it.
they are already pursuing all worthwhile investments definitionally.
you want then to pursue anti economic, inefficient investments through fiscal oppression, and that would be terrible for the economy in general.
once out of the company the money doesn't disappear and gets invested anyway.
and btw the only acceptable corporate in
What a bad take .
FWIW explain to me why it would be a mistake for an investors to overpay a stock but not a corporations buying its own overvalued stocks for the investors already in ?
Don’t you believe , from a libertarian pov , individuals knows better how to spend their money then government ( or private entities) ?
Maybe those investors could actually had better use of their profits (because it’s shareholders profits in the end) then the corporations just buying overvalued shares ?
And not mentioning the only way for shareholders to actually get some profits is to actually sell what they shouldn’t , the stocks , …
And we aren’t even discussing about price discovery market purpose , financial « creativity to just pushing the stock prices higher , inducing management « true » incentives to push stocks higher instead of growing the business for the better good of the corportions and long term shareholders , etc …
FWIW I guess a those 2 are idiots ….
Stocks buyback are great for short term investors and who profits the most from short term investors ?
Speculators and management with stock options .
Those are not in favour of long term investors ….
Dems supporters have spent the last few pages arguing about how Biden helps the working man. meanwhile he pardons and commutes some of the biggest out and out thieves of the public.
How much time did they spend in jail, compared to the pardons Trump did when he left? Trump pardoned all his buddies that tried to commit a coup.
Don't get lost in the sauce. If you're stuck in Dem vs Republican, you'll never get it. This is a war of good ideas vs bad ideas.
Ya i get it.
All politicians fleece.
Personally I think people who have been successful before are better to run the biggest business in the world (USA) than riff raff middle class that hasn't accomplished much.
The USA is not a business. If you don't understand this, you likely won't understand much of how government should ideally function.
no I get it. to a Dem supporter, a good idea (your words lol) is commuting a child tracker.