***Official H&F LC Thread***

Melk's geniuses:

I don't really think this is so much of "othering" as just being tolerant/supportive of acts that innately deprive people of their humanity. Foremost among those would be killing people, in particular innocent people.

Euro shitlibs are p hilarious tho since they're so far out there. The left wing coalition in France has some actual commies and their associated ideologues. But somehow this is clearly better than a "far right" party, which seems p normie by comparison to self-avowed commies. There are obv different flavors of what is or what is not acceptable, and some of the legit far right Nordic parties are neo-Nazis or are deeply rooted in such ideas (Ukraine has similar issues), but politarding is complex. OTOH their newfound love of fences and hatred of Slavs is a welcome revelation. So maybe there is some redemption for them.

We're only 100ish years (at most) into this experiment, but it seems like allocating votes in a democracy (or its derivs) to non or marginal stakeholders at the expense of actual ones seems to be... bad. Maybe the Greeks figured it all out in Athens about 2k years ago.

Seems to be a distinction without a difference.

Nah, I'm reading things just fine. The problem is that you haven't shown any "statistical methods" to demonstrate that shoplifting is more harshly punished in TX than CA. Or various other things that you claim to have "proven". Neither do any of the links you posted. Like I said all you have to do is copy and paste the relevant stats you're talking about. With a link. I've done that numerous times in this AIDS fest. It's not hard. But you can't do it.

Despite your inability to do that, you have no problem believing it to be true. The inherent contradiction should be apparent to pretty much anyone but you.

Cool. I don't know what you're even attempting to argue for. Based on your own criteria, it hasn't been proven and it hasn't been disproven. So, as I summarized, our entire AIDS fest boils down to this

Melk: Dumber people tend to vote for Trump
Rich Muny: Maybe, maybe not.

I think it's true. You, based on what you've written, have to think it could be true. You should have just led with that and saved us pages of AIDS.

Luigi is pretty arrogant and if he wanted to help people, murdering a CEO was probably way less effective than a very vanilla normal political participation advocating for healthcare reform.

On an unrelated note, I've been following this channel's work on fertility for a long time. This is one of his most interesting videos yet about the current anti-natalism world champions (we're catching up to you f4ggots here in PRC with 800k RMB dowries for 4/10 38 year old women and some of the most indolent and mercenary women on the planet. China numba wang!) At one point he mentions a stat where something like 1 in 10 new marriages are cross-border, with the majority of those being men importing wives from SEA/China. He goes on to say that the number reaches as high in 1 in 3 in some rural areas.

So I guess my pet theory about importing fertile aged nubile non obese feminine women might not be a good solution for declining birthrates as it isn't working so great in Korea anyway lolz.

I don't know and I don't think anyone really knows. It's an evolutionary mismatch, as he puts it, and there's no clear solution.

From the comments:
"SK has the worst aspects of both capitalism and Confucianism while having neither of their positive qualities. People are caught up in a vicious rat-race to compete and succeed while simultaneously feeling intensely ashamed whenever they don't achieve the desired results. They break themselves emotionally and financially and are still shamed by their peers and family"

oh and let's not forget CHina is also home to some of the most physically unattractive, chauvinistic, and unhygienic men on the planet. It's a wonder there is still any marriage or child rearing happening here at all. Can China beat the champs of not having babies in the next few years? With housing prices collapsing I think it'll be a hard challenge, but we're way more advanced in social media mobile device addiction and our urban centers are even more dystopic than the South Korean analogues and intermarriage is far less accepted. I think we're taking the number 1 spot in the self-extinction olympics within a decade.

a good litmus test for which group you like the least is if you had to choose 1 person to die, you couldn't make it random, but you could narrow it to a random person from a specific region or country, then which country/region would you choose?

India, Tamil. EZ AF.

I actually love being around Chinese people, but I can see why an average Chinese woman might really not want to be married to a Chinese man b/c kinda gross/ugly. I can also see why a Chinese man wouldn't want to be married to an average Chinese woman because he's dehumanized and reduced to a human bank account/john in a long term contract decidedly out of his favor. Men and women treat each other really badly in this country. There is not much of a political divide between men and women here compared to the west or, the most extreme example, South Korea. But it's not enough to compensate for that nasty combination of confucianism, modern urban monoculture, gender imbalance, and third world mindset creating a pretty awful gender war. It seems like in the west, men and women don't hate each other quite as much and a lot of their animosity largely traces back to differing political ideology, which basically means single females being hyper-left and then returning to sanity after being married and having kids in most cases.

But spending time with work/recreation near a people is very different from being married to them. And by definition any Chinese woman who would marry a foreigner is not average in some important ways. Around 60% of my foreign male friends paid a dowry of 0 for their marriage because they give something much more valuable: citizenship and a passport of something other than mainland China. Plus most of the time the woman in question would have no hope of attracting an equivalent income/height Chinese man unless she's turbo hot. But probably even the Chinese women with foreign husbands would overall prefer to be married to a Chinese guy with similar height and income, just that's out of reach for most of them.

The social media content capitalizing on how much women hate men in this country is alarming, but at the same time kind of understandable. I don't know if it would make sense if I posted it and translated it; it doesn't quite make sense unless you actually live here. None-the-less, one of the quickest ways to make a buck on social media in China is to hate on men and sell courses about how to make men spend money on you (the only legitimate form of love). I am not exaggerating. And this is way more mainstream than Andrew Tate was in the west where most people realized it was a character/circus.

First of all, you're the one concerned about this stat, not me. And, it's solely because you wish to have a strawman to cover for the lack of proof of your claims. My claim on the shoplifting rates of the two states is that California has a major problem that Texas, for example, does not. I have proven California has an issue, sharing over a dozen mainstream articles. You can't do that for non-opinion pieces regarding your claims about Trump voters.

You finally got around to reading my posts? Yeah, I never said it was disproven. I said you failed to prove your claim that dumber people tend to vote for Trump, so it's merely your opinion. Unlike you, I didn't stretch my claims beyond the available evidence.

This hasn't been my experience at all. But you know that it's a very diverse country and you can't even lump together 'rural' Chinese people. I found the rural Yunnan/Sichuan people not remotely racist. Jiangsu to some degree yes. But I'm guessing if we look at a place like Henan/the north then yeah the rural populations there prob despise people for simply not being Chinese.

Let's also not ignore the gender elephant in the room. What he really means when he said that was "the majority of the MALE POPULATION that hates and despises you..." and it's just sexual competition. The women probably don't hate you at all, quite the opposite they enjoy simply even looking at you.

Ever see any video of something like this happening in Texas? No? Didn't think so.

FFS man, how dense are you? You've stated like a million times that proving something is hard and that we need studies with statistical significance to prove a problem. But somehow the problem in California is "proven" in a "dozen mainstream articles". Not rigorous studies. Barely any stats (which I haven't addressed and like I said, you can copy and paste any that you might think are relevant, but you seem unable to do even that). And zero statistical significance.

Yet in your big brain none of those things matter. It's "proven". But when we want to talk about how dumb Trump voters might be, suddenly no "mainstream article" with surveys is good enough. We need well-conducted studies with statistically significant results. And you might still reject those, because obviously only biased libs would do such a study.

Like I said man, you took a billion pages of AIDS to say what you could have said in one post:

Melk: Dumber voters tend to vote Trump
Rich: Maybe, Maybe not.

The hilarious part is that even though, by your own logic, you really don't know either way, you choose to argue about it endlessly and then keep saying "Melk is just here to argue".

LOL. I've got to say seeing cognitive dissonance in real time like this is quite a treat. Such self delusion is not something you get to see unfold as it happens.

Rich Muny: Sorry man, I'm never going to believe Trump voters are dumber until you show me multiple statistically significant studies. Maybe one would be enough. But I have to believe the studies are unbiased, and only biased people would do these studies, so good luck.

Also Rich Muny: Look at this one video. Obviously this proves CA has a shoplifting problem.

If you think about this really hard, you will realize this video proves nothing, just as me showing you a video of a MAGA idiot saying some stupid shiet would prove nothing. You know that's exactly what you would say, so try rubbing a few of those brain cells together and see if you can work out why your video, by your own Rich Muny rules, "proves" nothing. I really think you have it in you.

Seems random. How did you end up with that?

Looks like Kamala had no shot at the Emoken vote (hypothetically, I mean. I am assuming you didn't vote absentee, but I guess it's possible that you may have). Or maybe Kamala was the cause and not the effect?

People are really sleeping on black countries here. Eritrea? Somaliland? Haiti?

But really you can't go wrong with choosing any random 3rd world shithole. They're incredibly racist and have dehumanizing views writ large. Maybe it is due to a large percentage of the population being too stupid to understand empathy. Maybe its social. But regardless, it is rather sad when you visit a place and the local "people" view you as a walking ATM to rob/scam.

fwiw the northern chinese utterly despise the southern chinese in general (may say they are not true chinese) as well so it tracks that the southerners are way more chill with laowai

Indonesia

How do we feel about Luigi having a couple sugar babies? Gay and black of course, but maybe this is the lib fantasy that he'll stop by, pound them in the ass, and then give them a Hermes belt.

Maybe you should have paid attention in school. To compare two populations, the accepted method is to sample the two populations and to use statistical tools to check for statistical significance in any differences found. I didn't make that up. That's a fact. I didn't say it's the ONLY way to compare two populations. I said nothing you'd cited proves your hypothesis that Trump voters tend to be dumber than Kamala voters.

Examining a state's shoplifting issues has little in common with comparing two populations of people for IQ. I clearly showed there's an issue and you couldn't provide anything showing there isn't one.

No wonder you want to believe Trump voters are dumb. You are desperate to find anyone for whom you can claim to be more intelligent (correctly or otherwise).

Let me try this again:

Melk: Dumber voters tend to vote Trump
Rich: That's just your opinion. You've failed to prove that with any evidence.

I don't claim to have evidence one way or another, but I don't think Trump voters have a lower IQ than Kamala voters. Anecdotally, it seems STEM grads tend to support Trump while gender studies grads are Kamala supporters. Similarly, welfare recipients seem to support Kamala overwhelming, while military NCOs, skilled machinists, construction company owners, etc., seem far more likely to back Trump. So, I think there's variance within the two groups you wish to pretend are monoliths.

I also think there's plenty of overlap between the two groups. Those military NCOs are likely far more intelligent than the average gender studies major (and plenty of other liberal arts grads), who can't even define what a woman is.

So, to summarize (since you have trouble reading), I say you have failed to prove your contention that dumber voters tend to vote for Trump. And, I am of the opinion that Trump voters are not dumber than Kamala voters.

You're just now learning that one needs to evaluate studies for things like bias? LOL.

Not "one". One more.

So, that should wrap it up. Believe what you will and live in ignorance.

Nah, man we've covered this. We've established when it's something that Rich Muny doesn't want to believe, he can just manufacture bias at will. As you have demonstrated in this AIDS fest, you don't even have to actually read the data. LOL NBC is enough for you (except when you want to quote them to prove something you believe in). But everything you seem to believe in is completely unbiased in any way. So much so that it "proven".

Maybe you'll figure out the contradiction there. Maybe not

Oh good. How many vids do I have to post of MAGA idiots saying stupid ****, before you'll believe they're stupid? Let me know.

You're like the gift that keeps on giving. "I'm not believing that dumber people vote Trump unless you give me rigorous, unbiased studies with statistically significant results. Also, all we need to do is watch several random videos and we can be sure that shoplifting is a bigger problem in CA than TX (or whatever the fack you think one or several videos proves). No rigorous studies or statistical significance required. I am Rich Muny. I am very smart. I deal in facts"

Fantastic stuff. Really. chefskiss.jpg

And it's not even the most hilarious part. You've posted stuff even dumber than that! Soulman was wrong. This is facking amazing.

OK, so you just don't know what you are talking about. You absolutely can find statistically significant differences between, for example, shoplifting incidences over selected time periods or between two populations (e.g TX and CA). For someone who seems to place a great deal of emphasis on statistical significance, you seem to have no idea how it works. Real shocker there!

Yeah, man. In a vacuum, that would not be a terrible take. But since you're a clown, you have decided that you have not failed to prove all of your contentions despite not meeting the very standard of proof which you claim is so critical.

If you really want to bury your head in the sand you could argue with the idea that "Ku Klux Klan members tend to vote for Trump" and say "well no one has proven that" because there are no rigorous studies on Klan voting preferences. However, a reasonable person could look at data related to racial voting preferences and comfortably conclude that. You know, kind of like you can comfortably conclude all sorts of things that you actually want to believe are true, despite a lack of rigorous studies with statistically significant results.

I didn't say one can't compare data from the two states. I said it's not the only way. Try to keep up.

You concluded that without even looking at any of the data you said you'd use for the analysis? So, you admit this is all based on your biases and opinions. That's fine. Just don't claim you proved anything. It's merely your opinion.

Everything else you wrote is just a repeat of your prior post, which was a repeat of the post before that -- except that they get less interesting with each rehash.