Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Yo, one side being "evil" doesn't necessarily mean its opposing side is "good". Both Assad and the US/Israel proxy Al Queda offshoot have gallons of blood on their hands. You want to fight evil? Look in the goddamn mirror.
HTS is a Turkish/Qatar proxy. As I mentioned in previous post, the ME was a Turkish colonial project for hundreds of years prior to WWI, and this may signal a return to that equilibrium. In fact for most of its history since the Islamic conquests, the "Arab" world has been a colonial project of either Turkey or Iran.
Like I sad, we cant choose who rules Syria. All we can do is fight regimes if they are too evil. That is what we did with Assad, and both the US and Israel have told HTS that they will not permit similar level of behavior; and HTS for their part has stated they will behave better. Time will tell.
USA incarcerates millions at home (far more than the Chinese btw who are supposedly running genocide camps on Uyghers) and detained 100s of thousands all across West Asia in torture camps throughout the 2000s.
and what were they getting up to?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/m...
whats that saying about every accusation...?
Even if you believe palestinians were "abused and oppressed for decades", which is completly objectively false and a totally made up narrative that you people invented to justify terrorism, 10 7 was completly EVITABLE anyway if only hamas wasn't a terror group.
Lucia back with insane takes and formidable logic.
I'm not even gonna bother to try to explain to you why this is 3 year old logic level.
Assad, as compared to the US and Israel is like an angel. its actually insulting to see pro-West, pro-American, people complain about another country's prison and torture system.
USA incarcerates millions at home (far more than the Chinese btw who are supposedly running genocide camps on Uyghers) and detained 100s of thousands all across West Asia in torture camps throughout the 2000s.and what were they getting up to? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/m...whats that saying about every accusation...?
Not going to bother nitpicking all of this. you claimed Assad is an angel compared to Israel. that is next level s^&t.
I would argue most Syrians and even most Palestinians dont hold that view
Im just saying that US and Israel executed, tortured, raped, enslaved, and incarcerated far more people in West Asia in the 2000s than Assad could even dream.
im not taking anything personal. But its funny how a keyboard warrior claims that we ran away. Your assumptions about Israel's goals is so lol, I cant bother. this is the fabrication of the moon landing level the ceasefire does not stipulate that we don’t destroy infrastructures. That is one of the reasons we demanded a 60 days window, to ensure that we get as much as possible
wtf, is this true?
ceasefire mean that Israel can do what it wants and Hezbollah cant fire back or stop it. and then after 60 days maybe Israel will leave out of the goodness of their hearts. Im not holding my breath.
Not going to jump to conclusions, bc I’m not sure if you have ever been stationed in the West Bank.
But, to the best of your knowledge how much empathy does the IDF have or take into consideration when they break into a West Bank Palestinian household to set up a military outpost at 2:30 AM?
Don’t misunderstand this as a personal attack. You have to understand that to the untrained eye or someone who’s never had their civilian home invaded by an army, this looks like pure intimidation or dare I say terrorism. Perhaps you can enlighten us.
Im just saying that US and Israel executed, tortured, raped, enslaved, and incarcerated far more people in West Asia in the 2000s than Assad could even dream.
Show your work. Particularly on "executed" and "enslaved". I don't see how you'll get anywhere on tortured and raped (I see no way to find the data). But you should be able to demonstrate the murder and slavery.
Oh? Did those mothers consider moving away from their genocidal ethnostate?
I've had multiple Jewish friends and none of their parents ever said anything about this alleged classic Jewish mother's dream. Then again, they aren't bloodthirsty lunatic Zionists...
I really don’t think you understand the sacrifices both Israelis and Palestinians pay for this. People like you, with such a blind one-sided world view, have zero empathy, as real empathy is for all humans.
WHAT
This literal killer has the absolute gall to talk about EMPATHY. Holy cow that's disgusting. I guess this fellow's dreams for a Greater Israel with settlements all over the Middle East overshadowed his alleged empathy for the Palestinians he killed! Soldiers in war, CLASSICALLY empathetic.
We have nuclear capabilities because we have smart resourceful people. Not because someone gave us this weapon.
That's one of the more racist/xenophobic things I've heard in a while. Wow. Of course, it's ALSO a deeply stupid statement for anybody with even a cursory understanding of geopolitics.
So:
-personal attacks = ban
-being an active member of an overpowered military committing genocide = ok
In my opinion, being an active member of either the IDF or the US military should automatically "remove one from polite society", as they say, and result in a permaban here. But I might be more anti-murder than others.
There’s not a rule against being active military, dude. Take it up with the owners.
So:
-personal attacks = ban
-being an active member of an overpowered military committing genocide = ok
In my opinion, being an active member of either the IDF or the US military should automatically "remove one from polite society", as they say, and result in a permaban here. But I might be more anti-murder than others.
Lol
I know that. I'm saying there SHOULD be such a rule. But that's my bad, I forgot the point of moderation is to faithfully follow the wishes of the "owners" regardless of smaller concerns about basic humanity or morality.
new Haartez article on the treatment of the occupied population by Israeli soldiers
nonpaywalled: https://archive.ph/O8rGB
much of this stuff is from prior to the Gaza invasion fwiw
this is the scariest part bc this cohort of people knew they were doing evil and still did it.
this article coming a few days after Haaretz documented the truly vile actions along the Netzarim is hard to digest really. heres that article which I linked already: https://archive.ph/hFruD
new Haartez article on the treatment of the occupied population by Israeli soldiers
nonpaywalled: https://archive.ph/O8rGBmuch of this stuff is from prior to the Gaza invasion fwiwI read the article. I am pretty sure all the quotes Victor gave are from a 2012 book written about the 1st Infintada.
Anyways, the main point of the article is that war is dehumanizing. So the solution is less wars, not the never-ending war that Victor wants. The logical outcome of Victor's worldview is much more of this behavior, just in a more equitable manner.
In reality, the more US retreats from places like ME and Africa, and actors like Russia and China that are indifferent towards brown/black people dehumanizing each other fill the void; the more this type of behavior is increasing.
And western leftists are mostly agnostic about this; because they dont actually care about the humanity of brown/black people. They are mostly motivated by hate of Western civilization, and envious of its superiority over their preferred ideologies. As long as Western civilization is destroyed, they are mostly indifferent to whether whatever takes its place is better or worse.
Is this you taking a break from getting dunked on by everybody in the thread every time you write more than a one-sentence post?
I am not 100% sure why you are allowed to keep attacking people personally in a thread where the stated rules are "no personal attacks", but i am not allowed the same freedom so i won't answer the nth provokation.
I am not 100% sure why you are allowed to keep attacking people personally in a thread where the stated rules are "no personal attacks", but i am not allowed the same freedom so i won't answer the nth provokation.
Karl goes on manic 1-2 day binges of attacking forum members, and then disappears for weeks/months a a time anyways. So the temp ban system wouldn't actually accomplish anything in this case anyways.
I am not 100% sure why you are allowed to keep attacking people personally in a thread where the stated rules are "no personal attacks", but i am not allowed the same freedom so i won't answer the nth provokation.
You types like to go on about "culture of victimhood", but apparently that's not a thing when you engage in the performative victimhood YOURSELF. I guess that doesn't count (?)
No, I get no special privileges, and I get banned all the time, I just don't whine and passive-aggressively moan about it even 1/10th as often as you, so you don't notice it.
Karl goes on manic 1-2 day binges of attacking forum members, and then disappears for weeks/months a a time anyways. So the temp ban system wouldn't actually accomplish anything in this case anyways.
I was banned for some significant length of time (a couple months?) not too long ago. Again, I simply cry about it less often than you guys.
We have nuclear capabilities because we have smart resourceful people. Not because someone gave us this weapon. We have also better defense systems, for the same reasons.
You are trying to hold against us the fact that we are successful, trying to attribute it only to US support. I would like to remind you that we did very well even before the US support.
This is a really weird take and I can understand that patriotism is talking and not you.
Defense system that can't dodge antique tech is not what I would brag about.
I would like to remind you that we did very well even before the US support.
I thought Israel was created after WW2, I must have misread.
ceasefire mean that Israel can do what it wants and Hezbollah cant fire back or stop it. and then after 60 days maybe Israel will leave out of the goodness of their hearts. Im not holding my breath.
We are operating under the UN 1701 resolution. Hezbollah is not allowed to have military infrastructures south of the Litany. we are 100% allowed to destroy said infrastructures and that is why no one in Lebanon has any issue with this. it is a wonder you guys are more inflamed by this than the Lebanese people, including Hezbollah.
Not going to jump to conclusions, bc I’m not sure if you have ever been stationed in the West Bank. But, to the best of your knowledge how much empathy does the IDF have or take into consideration when they break into a West Bank Palestinian household to set up a military outpost at 2:30 AM?Don’t misunderstand this as a personal attack. You have to understand that t
I was stationed in every west bank city for months at a time and broke into many homes at all hours. we do not go in just to establish an outpost, but to arrest Hamas operatives (and other militia operatives) or to gather weapons. We go in with Shabac and Aman intel and 95%+ the intel is proven to be correct. It is a very sad affair granted, but such is war.
moreover, in times of "peace", I went to many west bank cities and villages in order to transfer kids to hospitals in Israel, work with the communities and also for business purposes.
Oh? Did those mothers consider moving away from their genocidal ethnostate? no. I was born here and plan to live here for as long as it is possible. I've had multiple Jewish friends and none of their parents ever said anything about this alleged classic Jewish mother's dream. Then again, they aren't bloodthirsty lunatic Zionists...some of your best friends are Jewish...WHATTh
I have more intelligence and world knowledge in my toe than you will ever have kid
This is a really weird take and I can understand that patriotism is talking and not you.
Defense system that can't dodge antique tech is not what I would brag about.
how so?
I thought Israel was created after WW2, I must have misread.
yes, and the U.S. did not start to support Israel militarily before the 1970. I have explained the history in previous posts and but would be happy to expand if needed
