Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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its really unfortunate that even Israeli mainstream media that runs through a strict censor is biased against Israel. incredible bad luck!
VIc, You believe that Israel is not a democracy, and we are that we are a third world country.
That is very telling about you sir
Ive never called Israel a third world country or even insinuated such. its very much a Western country, esp in terms of ideology.
Haaretz is not a mainstream newsletter. they are a small publication in Israel, very very far left, almost anti- but definitely post Zionist.
I see you like to share their posts, as you are probably one of the only few readers they have.
About your censorship claims - LOL
Just to elaborate a little bit about the legal statue of censorship in Israel.
In 1953 our interior minister ordered to close for 10 days a communist newspaper for publishing an article about the intention of the US and Israel to collaborate militarily (at that time the US did not support Israel at all). That article was a total lie and endangered our relationships with USSR.
The supreme court overruled that decision and enforced a ruling that still stands to this day – that you cannot censor lies or misinformation or even secrets, as long as they do pose imminent danger to national security.
So arguing that everything posted in Haaretz if a fact because of the army censor is nonsense, to say the list
Haaretz is not a mainstream newsletter. they are a small publication in Israel, very very far left, almost anti- but definitely post Zionist.
I see you like to share their posts, as you are probably one of the only few readers they have.
About your censorship claims - LOL
Blue,
Some of us appreciate you addressing reality, as even US media generally does a very poor job of this. But I hope you realize Victor is just an extremely prejudiced bad faith actor, with no interest in truth or reality; so you shouldn't beat yourself up trying to convince him of anything.
Haaretz is not a mainstream newsletter. they are a small publication in Israel, very very far left, almost anti- but definitely post Zionist.
I see you like to share their posts, as you are probably one of the only few readers they have.
About your censorship claims - LOL
He just shares the small % of posts which confirm his own biases. Even most of Haaretz material, Victor would regard as fake Zionist propaganda, such as their documented coverage of 10/7 atrocities which never happened in his truth.
Haaretz confirmed the usage of the Hannibal doctrine on Oct 7th and has a list of the dead that I have referred to many times. only one baby died. none beheaded.
but yes, it is indeed Zionist propaganda.
The Israeli army censor is only allowed to forbid the publication that . . . hurt national security
That's an endlessly broad scope.
I've been in these forums for over a decade. I've never made a burner account. I would never say anything racist and my posting record is decidedly anti-racist. The conflation of criticism of Zionism or of Israel with antisemitism just doesn't work like magic the way it has in the past. I don't know what to tell you. Find a new lie. You have no arguments in the face of a genoci
Ok. Then it is just a very wild coincidence you started posting as soon as he was banned, on the same side of the same topic. And my comment also had nothing to do with race (as you conceive race at least). I have critiqued "Islamism" in a much more honest, and less dehumanizing manner than you attack Zionism, and gotten banned for it on multiple occasions. So it is just a double standard, which is fine. We move on.
Anyways, the point is you just come off as extremely insincere to me. You dont really come across as having any first principles at all that I can see, other than dehumanizing hatred of "Zionism." You certainly dont seem to care much at all about "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing," except as a proxy for your other more primary motivations.
All this extremely selective moral outrage just comes off as fake, lame, and ultimately counterproductive. But you do you.
and here you are the voice of reason justyfing genocide/murder and by that extension rape because it has happened through most of human history .
Melanie Weisner you must be.
Come on man if you can’t empty and entire magazine into a 13 year old (or a 3 year old for that matter) girl how can you defend yourself?!
and here you are the voice of reason justyfing genocide/murder and by that extension rape because it has happened through most of human history .
Melanie Weisner you must be.
I am not justifying anything. I am just pointing out your selective moral outrage is lame and fake; and not indicative of any first principles above being a hater.
I dont for a second think you (or any other leftist) cares about the Palestinian people themselves, except as a vehicle to make yourself feel self righteous.
I cant fathom how much self-delusion and hubris leftists have, to actually convince themselves they are doing anything productive. I would say Western leftists are the biggest enemies of the Palestinian people; as they have spent decades enacting and enabling dysfunctional environment that all empirical evidence indicates just makes things endlessly worse.
The Palestinian people will never be free until the resistance is crushed. There is no victory following this path. Just death, destruction and despair. And the Western world/UN spending the last 80 years propping up the resistance, being completely indifferent to it producing nothing but poor results, is a great tragedy of our time.
Tl,dr; it’s not the nearly 8 decades of apartheid & ethnic cleansing that has ruined the lives of Palestinians, it’s the damn western leftists.
The Palestinian people will never be free until the resistance is crushed. There is no victory following this path. Just death, destruction and despair. And the Western world/UN spending the last 80 years propping up the resistance, being completely indifferent to it producing nothing but poor results, is a great tragedy of our time.
In death, freedom.
Tl,dr; it’s not the nearly 8 decades of apartheid & ethnic cleansing that has ruined the lives of Palestinians, it’s the damn western leftists.
Yes. Because when your entire focus is on empty vacuous moralizing and never address the real problems, and instead double down on those problems; things will not get better.
Yes. Because when your entire focus is on empty vacuous moralizing and never address the real problems, and instead double down on those problems; things will not get better.
So, what are the real problems you speak of?
