Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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What makes someone a Palestinian Jew? Are the 7 million current Jews born in Israel also Palestinian Jews? Or is there some other criterion?
Ask them if they consider themselves Palestinian?
What makes someone a Palestinian Jew? Are the 7 million current Jews born in Israel also Palestinian Jews? Or is there some other criterion?
Obviously not, or there wouldn't be 7 million of them.
Yes, im sure, as I was there myself. FFS this is a documented fact no one is disputing. Maybe before forming an opinion, learn all the facts?Ill give you the proces:First, we send evacuating notices and give the population the chance to evacuate on their own, while also setting up safe corridors and defending them against Hamas attacks that happened every time (as Hamas tries t
Your attempts to educate those who are blinded by self righteous rage and who pray for the destruction of Israel are, as you know, futile. But it is useful detail for the rest of us. So thank you.
Lol wow.
we get banned for calling that what it is but anyway...
maybe Blue can explain to us that this press van was actually full of Hamas supersoldiers
the wife of one of the journalists was in labor inside the hospital.
also the 3rd baby froze to death today. (they dont count in the death total btw)
also like 30 people were buried alive. (most of these wont count either)
Ok, can we PLEASE chill out. Its the first night of Hanukkah and I don't want to deal with this.
memes making fun of the death and destruction: silence
legitimate news: chill out, dont hurt my vibes bro
American liberals never fail in their callousness.
actually, my bad. its not news when journalists get killed in Gaza and when babies freeze to death. its just normal and you are indeed correct, its not really worth mentioning.
Actually that seems like a stretch on second thought. You really don't do anything which is problematic for your opponents. You just call names that don't fit and make the same tired assertions. That is more like a cheerleader that a warrior of any kind.
I wasn't bating you, I already posted previously that you have no idea what Zionism is, and you constructed a demented picture in your head, what the Jewish state is all about, reaching protocol of the elders of zion levels
I'm saying the Jewish state is a fascist state, all about ethnic hatred and war. This is based on a simple institutional analysis, the facts of which are provided by the mainstream media. I went on to hypothesize that there is a momentum to that state of affairs which precludes any gradual reorientation into other modes for the state which, in some ways, parallels the overtaking of the U.S. state by the war machine.
This has **** all to do with the protocols of the Elders of Zion. You should have something to back it up when you accuse people of antisemitism or you should be subject to being banned.
The "genocide" debate is a different issue, I donÂ’t really care to debate. I call it war, you use "trigger" words to invoke emotions. Who really cares.
About the distinction between war and genocide a lot of people care. You might be triggered by the word genocide but, nonetheless, it has a legal definition. Any middle schooler can tell you that Israel has committed genocide per that definition. But legal scholars and judges who are experts on the application of the legal definition also concur that Israel is committing genocide. An arrest warrant has been issued for Netanyahoo. There is nothing to debate.
The Palestinian people will never be free until the resistance is crushed. There is no victory following this path. Just death, destruction and despair. And the Western world/UN spending the last 80 years propping up the resistance, being completely indifferent to it producing nothing but poor results, is a great tragedy of our time.
Have you ever asked yourself what they are resisting? It would be difficult to find a person anywhere who would accept the notion that some fatso from Brooklyn can have their house just because they are a favored ethnicity.
Have you considered the possibility that no one is ever going to accept that? You could kill every Hamas member but you can't kill resistance itself.
Obviously you think ethnic cleansing is acceptable. Maybe you are insane. Maybe you just don't have the morals of a pro social human being - whatever. So I'm not going to convince you that it's wrong. I cannot fix errors tracing back to your development. But I'd like to see how you think about a hypothetical. What do you think Israel would do if all the Palestinians were magically gone from Gaza and the West bank?
we get banned for calling that what it is but anyway...maybe Blue can explain to us that this press van was actually full of Hamas supersoldiers
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-strike...
The Israel Defense Forces said Thursday morning that an airstrike in the vicinity of Al-Awda Hospital in central Gaza’s Nuseirat had targeted “a vehicle with an Islamic Jihad terror cell inside,”
--I will say I wasn't aware terrorist groups had their own designated "journalists." You learn something new everyday I guess.
--FWIW the IDF said they were sure it was PIJ operatives in the van, and did the strike in a Manner so there would be no collateral damage. The problem we have is we know groups like PIJ routinely use news vans as cover for their resistance activities. And if it was operatives, they would still report them as journalists. And we obviously have no information either way. So the people in this thread sure it was "journalists" are just doing so out of blind tribalism.
Have you ever asked yourself what they are resisting? It would be difficult to find a person anywhere who would accept the notion that some fatso from Brooklyn can have their house just because they are a favored ethnicity.Have you considered the possibility that no one is ever going to accept that? You could kill every Hamas member but you can't kill resistance itself.Obviousl
Well, Brooklyn (and everywhere else) belonged to someone else from a different ethnicity, probably several times, before the fatso ended up in it. So what you are describing is more or less what happened.
You understand in the course of history land changes hands a lot, often from violence. It is going on right now in many parts of the world, including but not limited to Syria, Turkey, Ukraine, many places in Africa. You aren't outraged about most of history, or anything else going on, so clearly your outrage at this one instance is driven by other motivations; which is why I find your outrage and faux morality completely fake and contrived.
Israel happened. Before any of us were born. Whether we personally think it should have happened is not relevant, it did. The Palestinians are futilely "resisting" something that happened 80 years ago, that they dont have the force to undo.
Furthermore, the rest of the world is completely to blame for facilitating and encouraging the self destructive behavior. The fact there are US taxpayer funded UNRWA Palestinian textbooks which dont acknowledge Israel at all, or real history, is completely despicable; and a sign of how compromised and responsible the world is.
Also, your hypothetical is stupid. Any country is going to take empty land adjacent to it if they can. If Gaza magically had no people, Israel and Egypt would probably negotiate and divide it up. But this is what would happen anywhere. If Canada magically emptied the US would take over of course.
--Deuces, you do understand after WWII Turkey did 100x as much "ethnic cleansing" as Israel, and it is still going on. Literally millions have died, with many more millions displaced. Have you ever asked yourself why you (and the rest of the world) has such selective outrage over Israel and is completely indifferent about what Turkey has been doing the last 100 years or so?
The main difference is with Turkey the rest of the world isn't arming a permanent generational resistance, so there is much less fighting. Turkey just pretty much takes what they want, and everyone moves on and is better off for it.
You gotta give it to Israel they’re really setting a new standard in conducting genocide.
You just claim that terrorists are behind whoever it is you want to kill or whatever institution you want to destroy in order to bring about the destruction of your enemy, in whole or in part.
So let me see if I have this right..
The entire hospital system in Palestine: terrorists
Every school and university in Palestine: terrorists
More than 10,000 women & children: terrorists
Hundreds of doctors & journalists: terrorists
Or also,
United Nations, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, Jewish Voice for Peace, ICC & ICJ: lying
Israel & USA: telling the truth
The world knows who the real terrorists are, you’re not fooling anyone and shame on anyone defending them.
The fact there are US taxpayer funded UNRWA Palestinian textbooks which dont acknowledge Israel at all, or real history, is completely despicable; and a sign of how compromised and responsible the world is.
Yeah dude you’re totally right. This whole problem could have been solved if we hadn’t funded $7b to a humanitarian organization, some small percentage of which was used for education.
The $230b funded to Israeli’s army: totally okay. It’s not like they’ve committed any human rights violations. They’re the mOsT MoRaL aRmY iN ThE wOrLd
Turkey just pretty much takes what they want, and everyone moves on and is better off for it.
And once again **** you and the horse you rode in on thinking that your homogenous way of thinking about geopolitics is the right way. Newsflash dickhead: it’s not.
You might want to ask millions of Kurds, who by the way are the kindest people on this planet, whether or not they’re “better off.”
Two more Israeli holocaust experts saying Israel is committing genocide.
I guess they'll be accused of antisemitism next.
Don’t worry, “The Don” is going to handle it.
And once again **** you and the horse you rode in on thinking that your homogenous way of thinking about geopolitics is the right way. Newsflash dickhead: it’s not.
You might want to ask millions of Kurds, who by the way are the kindest people on this planet, whether or not they’re “better off.”
**** you and your faux morality. I dont think for a second you have any first principles at all, except for ideologically motivated hatred of western civilization. You give 0.0 shits about "brown" people living 10,000 miles away. Every conviction you have, if carried out, would make their lives worse; but you couldn't care less. Because this is all about you and your ego.
Kurds are one of many, many, many groups Turkey has persecuted and genocided in the last 100 years; including but not limited to ethnic Greeks, Assyrians, Armenians, Jews, and Arabs. They are pretty much the undisputed king of modern day racism and genocide, with Russia a close second. And no shits are given by your or any of the rest of the fake moral outrage crowd.
And yes, everyone Turkey has targeted would have probably been better off if they didn't do it, and the world didn't just sit by indifferently and let it happen. But the outcomes were still better than if the rest of the world decided to stick the people in camps on the border of Turkey, ideologically indoctrinate them to hate, and encourage them to fight a generational forever losing war against Turkey. And on top, force Turkey to just let it happen.
That would have been a clearly worse case scenario for everyone, just as it has been for the Palestinians.
And yes, the complete indifference of the world towards the Kurds and obsession with the Palestinian cause; when the Kurdish case is much stronger along any dimension; perfectly illustrates just how morally vacuous the world is. And how the Palestinian cause is all about politics and antisemitism, and nothing about any first principles or human rights, and certainly isn't doing the Palestinians any favors.
And the US and Israel should be given credit as pretty much the only nations that have shown any commitment towards safeguarding the Kurdish people. Even today the Erdogan regime is promising to completely genocide the Kurds in NE Syria, and the US is the only one standing in the way. The rest of the world dont even pretend to give a **** at best, and many are cheerleading Erdogan on. As long as he shows proper levels of antisemitism and gives promises to destroy Israel, half the world (mostly the people tho are the most faux outraged at Israel) supports him and are completely indifferent to who he is persecuting.
Kurds are one of many, many, many groups Turkey has persecuted and genocided in the last 100 years; including but not limited to ethnic Greeks, Assyrians, Armenians, Jews, and Arabs. They are pretty much the undisputed king of modern day racism and genocide, with Russia a close second.
Somehow you're neglecting the gold medallists in this event, the UK.
I get the Bengal famine or whatever, but that's a bit of a stretch.
Well, I was signifying modern history. As I have said before, what you guys call genocide were the norm more than the exception until Pax Americana tried to change things, with mixed results. And now the world seems to be moving back towards the historical norm.
--It is wild how you guys have all this faux moral outrage at Israel as being the worst nation that has ever existed in this regard. When it is is barely a footnote compared to other actors that were much worse on much larger dimensions; many committed by the Ottomans/Turkey. It is actually kind of wild how much Ottomans/Turkey appears on this list, their current activities in this regard, the staggering number of human casualties, and the complete indifference of the rest of the world.
