Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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But Al Jazeera is a known mouthpiece of the Israeli government, so I will understand if you claim this is fake news.
There is also:
On 30 July and 4 August, thousands of demonstrators in Gaza City and Khan Yunis demanded that the Hamas administration supply fuel and electricity reliably and stop requisitioning welfare payments from families in poverty. The demonstrators were violently dispersed; dozens were arrested. Plain-clothes officers assaulted a journalist covering the protest on 30 July in Gaza City, according to MADA. In Khan Yunis, police destroyed the phones of protesters who had filmed the events, according to journalists at the scene.
and
In January, Palestinian police officers disrupted workshops for journalists and students organized by a women’s group in Gaza City. Police interrogated staff about violating rules on gender segregation, and forced them to sign morality “pledges”, according to testimonies given to the UN commission of inquiry.
and
In Gaza, armed men affiliated with Hamas rounded up approximately a dozen men on 21 November, alleging that they worked for Israeli forces, and summarily killed them
But, perhaps most egregiously, less than 10% of plastic was recycled
But these are from https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/midd... and I inherently am suspect of anything they say.
There is also the genocide thing:
Gaza's tiny Christian minority has found itself in Hamas' crosshairs too. Gaza was home to roughly three thousand five hundred Christians in 2007. Since then, more than two-thirds have fled. Gazan Christians are disappearing. Violence has haunted Gaza's only Christian bookstore. Invasive questions and violence have made life unbearable for many Christians in Gaza.
It’s an inevitability when you’ve been combating religious zealots for a century.
The Islamic revival dates to the 1980s.
The point is that health care workers are people, too, and they can also be terrorists or give material support to terrorists.
Kill all the health care workers
glad that we agree that Hamas is not hanging people in the town square for tweets.
as for the Christian blurb at the end, its a joke to call that genocide and to blame it on Hamas. I am familiar with the book store thing. it was likely Salafi extremists who are anti-Hamas (and likely funded by Israel ofc).
So it's Israel's fault (yet again) that Christians are being persecuted in Gaza, thanks for the heads up vic.
Tune in next week when vic exposes the lies of the Uiyghur genocide and how Israel are ultimately responsible for that too, followed by Why Iran Russia and North Korea are Unfairly Maligned. (it's Israel's fault) This will all be covered on vic's "Bashar al Assad- Really That Bad? How the President of Syria Was Demonised by Israel" podcast, sponsored by Russia Today & endorsed by Tim Poole.
until the occupation ends, everything is Israel's fault.
and yes, it is well known that Israel funds Salafi extremists to cause disunity and discontent in Palestine. (and Syria too obv).
regardless, it is well known and well reported that the attacks on Christians were from anti-Hamas Salafi extremists as even wikipedia attests.
So it's Israel's fault (yet again) that Christians are being persecuted in Gaza, thanks for the heads up vic.Tune in next week when vic exposes the lies of the Uiyghur genocide and how Israel are ultimately responsible for that too, followed by Why Iran Russia and North Korea are Unfairly Maligned. (it's Israel's fault) This will all be covered on vic's "Bashar al Assad- Really
A lot of people actually believe this. Jewish space lasers, mind control, satan, etc. The Jews are hoarding gold and run a secret society that controls the illuminati.
yes I absolutely believe that the country with an 80 year illegal apartheid, countless mass murder events, and a current genocide is indeed the problem. call it a conspiracy if you want but as always, I trust my lying eyes.
yes I absolutely believe that the country with an 80 year illegal apartheid, countless mass murder events, and a current genocide is indeed the problem. call it a conspiracy if you want but as always, I trust my lying eyes.
I think you trust the sources of news that support your narrative. There is a bigger picture to all of this. There is context left out of many stories.
until the occupation ends, everything is Israel's fault.
and yes, it is well known that Israel funds Salafi extremists to cause disunity and discontent in Palestine. (and Syria too obv).
regardless, it is well known and well reported that the attacks on Christians were from anti-Hamas Salafi extremists as even wikipedia attests.
Do Israelis live in Gaza?
The only "Palestinians" who have ever existed were ironically Israelis.
Everything Israel does is to protect it's people. No other country in the world would be under so much scrutiny defending itself.
**** you and your faux morality. I dont think for a second you have any first principles at all, except for ideologically motivated hatred of western civilization. You give 0.0 shits about "brown" people living 10,000 miles away. Every conviction you have, if carried out, would make their lives worse; but you couldn't care less. Because this is all about you and your ego.
You’re half right so I’ll give you credit there. I am and always will be anti-globalist. For the last seven decades the US and its proxies have instigated, funded and waged wars around the globe to protect their interests, which mainly revolve around money and almost always under false pretexts.
They lied about Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to just name a recent few, but I’m sure they’re telling the truth now.
I’m sure that Sadaam and 1m Iraqis killed was actually for their own good and had absolutely nothing to do with Israel’s domination of the Middle East and the billions of dollars in US & UK oil profits.
I’m sure that sending $228b in military aid to Israel was for the good of the Palestinians and for the region as a whole. I’m sure they’re all “better off for it.” I’m sure it is actually them and people like you who support this kind of behaviour that actually care about brown people 10,000 miles away.
It couldn’t possibly be someone who’s country was bombed with chemical weapons fired on a false pretext. No, my views and actions have nothing to do with not wanting another country to be blown to pieces and tens of thousands of its inhabitants murdered or maimed in cold blood just so that the industrial military complex has yet another great year for its shareholders.
You got me, I actually hate brown people and wish they were all dead. I only pretend to argue in their defence to feed my own ego.
You’re half right so I’ll give you credit there. I am and always will be anti-globalist. For the last seven decades the US and its proxies have instigated, funded and waged wars around the globe to protect their interests, which mainly revolve around money and almost always under false pretexts. They lied about Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to just name a recent few,
I agree with you regarding the military industrial complex. It's all about business.
Unfortunately, I think there is a lot of fake outrage out there. Maybe selective outrage would be a better way to put it.
Here is what the main stream media doesn't tell you. First, the more dead civilians the more money Hamas gets from the West. Hamas knows this. Hamas knows they can't beat Israel in a conventional war. They do know that people are easily brainwashed and influenced. It makes sense for Hamas to continue to have civilians in the areas where they are fighting the IDF. If they truly
Not that I would trust the main stream media, but I have a feeling the reason they don’t give us the “full picture” could possibly be due to
-The mainstream media Middle East reporting is and has for a long time been censored directly by Israeli officials
-Israel is not allowing journalists into Gaza
It is really considerate of Israel to not allow journalists in though… I mean more journalists have been killed in Gaza in the last 16 months than all other conflicts combined in the last decade. Really so kind of them ❤️
We do know they chose to work for a terrorist group more radical than Hamas. Very likely they actively helped in the war efforts. Whether it was behind a gun, merely intelligence gathering, or propaganda dissemination, they were legitimate targets.Journalist protection either does not, or at least should not, cover those who work for a terrorist organization. They are providing
I personally think this is an extremely dangerous precedent to set.
Imagine a world where Russia & China have had enough of USA’s hegemony and decide to shift the balance of power.
By this logic, it would be perfectly within reason for Russia & China to drop bombs on NYT, WP Fox News & CNN.
It’s also really hard to keep up with who real terrorists are when one day we fund Bin Laden and the next day he’s a terrorist, when yesterday al-Jolani is a terrorist today he’s an ally…
I’m lucky, I know who the real terrorists are
almost all of the Israeli journalists served in the IDF and are reservists. many have been embedded in Gaza. many of the embedded journalists have posted videos firing weapons and written articles about it. wake me up when a Gazan journalists reaches that level.
Not that I would trust the main stream media, but I have a feeling the reason they don’t give us the “full picture” could possibly be due to -The mainstream media Middle East reporting is and has for a long time been censored directly by Israeli officials -Israel is not allowing journalists into GazaIt is really considerate of Israel to not allow journalists in though… I mean m
The situation in Gaza is unique to other conflicts. It's a very dense place. Also, Hamas hiding amongst it's civilians creates a dangerous environment for all. I have no doubt that Israel tries to steer the narrative in one direction just like Hamas does.
You got me, I actually hate brown people and wish they were all dead. I only pretend to argue in their defence to feed my own ego.
At least you are honest about it.
And if you think Pax Americana of the last 60 years (or whatever) was bad, get ready for things to get a lot worse. Withought "globalism" most of the 8 billion or so people on earth wouldn't live very long, as they would all die from warfare and lack of resources.
But maybe you are a Malthusian Luddite who thinks that would be a good thing and we need some good ole social Darwinism to tip the scales. Although I have some bad news. If you are in a country that was weak enough it had to endure chemical weapon attacks, then I dont think you or many of your countrymen are going to survive the post "globalist" world when it just becomes survival of the fittest again.
Pax Americana of the last 60 years (or whatever)
USA murdered 10s of millions during this span.
until the occupation ends, everything is Israel's fault.
and yes, it is well known that Israel funds Salafi extremists to cause disunity and discontent in Palestine. (and Syria too obv).
regardless, it is well known and well reported that the attacks on Christians were from anti-Hamas Salafi extremists as even wikipedia attests.
Close. Until Hamas gives up everything is their fault.
I personally think this is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. Imagine a world where Russia & China have had enough of USA’s hegemony and decide to shift the balance of power. By this logic, it would be perfectly within reason for Russia & China to drop bombs on NYT, WP Fox News & CNN. It’s also really hard to keep up with who real terrorists are when one day w
Need whatever this guy is smoking.
It’s all good in the hood, we’re all better off for it.
God Bless America
This kind of thing, among various other things, is why Zionism is considered a racist ideology. 'Those people never existed, so we can get rid of them and say nothing happened!'
The Zionist argument could be ' Those people are squatters on our land and are using the idea that they are "Palestinians" looking for a state in order to stay.
