The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Yes. Erasing the existence of LGBT people and having it banned from literature and the classroom is profoundly damaging.
Not discussing homosexuality with prepubertal children in school isn't "damaging" at all.
It's actually pretty bad, to the point of being minor abuse, to think 6y old have to know what anal sex and dildos are.
Teachers should never have the decision on what books a child reads that is the school boards responsibility. This is especially true in the K-6 levels.
This is a terrible idea. Here in BC, and I expect it's the same in many provinces and states, it's educators that decide on recommended resources, typically in the form of committees of subject experts. The school boards' role would be to provide oversight of that process, but they should mostly be staying out of the way. Hell, even in Florida, the home of book bans, districts aren't relying on boards for that work:
Toward that end, chief academic officer Dan Evans told the board that the district has created a new process for reviewing all books in teachers’ classroom libraries. Teachers are to conduct inventories of those materials beginning after spring break, consulting with media specialists to make sure items are appropriate for the grades they teach and the ages of students at their schools.
I can understand why a parent would not want books(LGQBT+) that you could not read on TV nor would some parents want their child read the bible .
Maybe one day we'll be lucky enough to have a single crusader like this guy!
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/p...
But apparently, even DeSantis finally came to understand the Pandora's Box he had opened:
the governor called for and later signed a measure reining in how many book objections can be filed in school districts.
While I think it's ridiculous that people like Bruce Friedman have been enabled to this point, there are better solutions:
In addition to allowing parents to opt out of individual titles in the libraries, as has occurred in the past, the district will let parents either opt out of library book checkouts entirely or permit withdrawals only after parent permission for each book.
And there you go - a parent can have their own morality upheld for their child, while not limiting what other kids are allowed to read. I don't envy the district who has to set up such processes, nor the kids who need parent permission to take out each library book, but it's better than Bruce deciding what your kid is allowed to see in the school library. Of course, that wouldn't satisfy Bruce - he doesn't let his kid take books out of the school library (it might be he doesn't even allow the kid in the library, I can't recall now), so he's not getting books banned out of any concern for his own family, it's because he thinks he's on some mission for the greater good.
Can you similarly "understand" how a bunch of right wing anti-LGBT people are doing a concerted effort in both Canada and the US to make it practically impossible for teachers to ever mention anything at all to do with LGBT people in the classroom and how ****ing sick and bigoted and wrong that is?
This, this, this. And this takes us back to my point that started the whole conversation - that "those who had never moved forward are emboldened to share their bigotry publicly now" (in response to Lozen's question: "I’m not sure what you mean by bigots all I’ve seen in the last year is a ton of antisemitism"), which really shouldn't be a controversial take. There's a reason we're seeing things like bans of rainbow crosswalks and flags, and Pride events, here in Canada now.
It is not bigoted to avoid discussing homosexuality to prepuberal children, because there is no way to discuss homosexuality without understanding sex and it's not bigoted to think that sexual education should start after puberty.
So I guess there's also no way to discuss heterosexuality without understanding sex, so they shouldn't be discussing love, or "traditional" families either? I mean, it's just not possible to explain that any two people can love one another, without getting into the ins and outs of intercourse, right? 🙄
It should be, but in this forum it's really not, as you live to go into any thread and jump into whatever pet subtopic you can find to share your "expertise".
Around 14M Canadian X accounts, probably more people that don't create accounts. What better method would you suggest, a cbc poll?
That number seems rather limiting. Anyone with internet at home, or access to it in the library, also might have interacted with O'Leary, amirite?
If you don't understand how feedback derived from one person's social media interactions would be skewed, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's one thing if O'Leary said he was going to share his viewpoints, or those of his followers with Trump. But when he suggests he's going to negotiate something with Trump based on what Canadians want, that's more problematic. The same would hold true if it was Ryan Reynolds, or Paul Watson, or anyone of whatever political bent.
That said, I'm not losing sleep over what O'Leary does, I'm just pointing out the silliness of it.
Lol Jr hockey
Time to turn this tournament back to the small town event it used to be. Way too much pressure on these amateur kids, playing in NHL rinks, prime time and too much media coverage.
Nah just bad coaching and a lack of discipline by the players . Add in the rest of the world getting better . Great lesson for these young players no participation trophies here
Not discussing homosexuality with prepubertal children in school isn't "damaging" at all.
It's actually pretty bad, to the point of being minor abuse, to think 6y old have to know what anal sex and dildos are.
What about bans on books that merely have gay couples in them? If there was a series like the Berenstain Bears with two Papa Bears instead of a Mama and a Papa, would you support a ban? Because there are people going after that kind of thing. What are your thoughts on high schools that banned Twain and Salinger? Junior highs that banned Blume and Rowling?
Arguably, what the left has done is worse. They've pressured publishers to remove and alter insensitive language from from various books, and in some cases (Dr. Seuss), to stop printing copies altogether. And while this edit from Roald Dahl's The Witches is pretty funny, it's appalling more than anything.
Anyway, at a certain point, you have to let kids learn about the world. They're not stupid, and sheltering them disadvantages them in the long run. I remember listening to an interview with Trey Parker and Matt Stone about how the South Park kids talk, and they pointed out that the language those characters use is pretty close to the stuff they would say at the bus stop when they were in fourth grade. I had a similar experience, and others did as well. Kids are going to learn about things one way or the other. Might as well let them read about them in books.
What about bans on books that merely have gay couples in them? If there was a series like the Berenstain Bears with two Papa Bears instead of a Mama and a Papa, would you support a ban? Because there are people going after that kind of thing. What are your thoughts on high schools that banned Twain and Salinger? Junior highs that banned Blume and Rowling?
Arguably, what the left has done is worse. They've pressured publishers to remove and alter insensitive language from from various books, and i
I’m more left leaning then right .
And I don’t support those that edited book like you show in that example .
Where does that out put me ?
You sure it’s a left thing ?
How they pressured publisher to altered text ?
You think they would do this if it would end up lowering their bottom line earnings ?
I’m more left leaning then right .
And I don’t support those that edited book like you show in that example .
Where does that out put me ?
You sure it’s a left thing ?
How they pressured publisher to altered text ?
You think they would do this if it would end up lowering their bottom line earnings ?
The pressure came from whatever lobby influenced businesses to take on radical social justice views that lost them money over the past decade or so; the loud obnoxious type that throws soup at van Gogh paintings. Dahl and his would-be fans weren't the only victims.
Well if they are dumb enough to believe those lobbies, it’s on them shrug .
Some business pay for it and they finally changed their mind .
Management do make stupid decisions too thinking it’s better for their profits while it isn’t .
Seem management wernt knowing who their costumers was .
What about bans on books that merely have gay couples in them? If there was a series like the Berenstain Bears with two Papa Bears instead of a Mama and a Papa, would you support a ban? Because there are people going after that kind of thing. What are your thoughts on high schools that banned Twain and Salinger? Junior highs that banned Blume and Rowling?
Arguably, what the left has done is worse. They've pressured publishers to remove and alter insensitive language from from various books, and i
Personally i would like not to have public schools to begin with. Schools should be privately managed with the state providing a lump sum that goes with the kid. Then parents choose the cultural version (if any) they prefer in the area they live in. Technical curricula would be required to cover subjects and so on (proving that by enough students passing regular third party tests) to qualify for public money.
If for some mistaken reasons we want public employees teaching our kids with no school choice available, then anything even remotely controversial politically shouldn't be even hinted about in schools. What that entails might vary by country but i mean nothing that 80% + of adults believe to be obviously uncontroversially proper for kids of that age should be available to kid of that age in public schools.
That is to avoid the risk of political capture of schools. Schools today are politically captured by the left but that can change and i don't think lefists want to incur the risk of schools teaching how to be serve in the military is a moral duty and you are a failed person if you refuse to do so and to push that (just to mention a controversial political value take that could be associated with some form of rightwing politics).
I’m more left leaning then right .
And I don’t support those that edited book like you show in that example .
Where does that out put me ?
You sure it’s a left thing ?
How they pressured publisher to altered text ?
You think they would do this if it would end up lowering their bottom line earnings ?
I disagree that your more left your positions on Immigration and your support of Bill C21 some would say are very right wing .
I do not support the edits of books like the publisher did. The only one that should be able to edit the book is the author
The Full Interview
Haven't watched yet but its on my list I would do the same if Justin Trudeau sat with him
Broken YouTube LinkI disagree that your more left your positions on Immigration and your support of Bill C21 some would say are very right wing .
I do not support the edits of books like the publisher did. The only one that should be able to edit the book is the author
Well I’m A center left not center right .
So yes u will see some leaning toward right but I don’t see how having the view about Trudeau immigration to be on the right spectrum when it was clearly way too much and bad economically…
Again bill 21 is just common sense if u believe in secularism of the state shrug .
But yes I am more centrist then left .
Ps: if I was a righty , we wouldn’t argue so much 😀…
Im super glad carney would be ready to jump in right away to replace Justin and not wait the next election cycle.
Ya I’m not going to watch two slimey walruses throw economically illiterate slogans at each for an hour and a half
Im super glad carney would be ready to jump in right away to replace Justin and not wait the next election cycle.
Im not. Carney could be great for Canada. So burning him on a guaranteed-to-lose nothing election seems pointless. Why not just Leblanc who cleans up all Trudeau’s messes with complete loyalty just take the drivers seat for 3 months or whatever to get his name in the history books and then carney can come in in four years.
Im not. Carney could be great for Canada. So burning him on a guaranteed-to-lose nothing election seems pointless. Why not just Leblanc who cleans up all Trudeau’s messes with complete loyalty just take the drivers seat for 3 months or whatever to get his name in the history books and then carney can come in in four years.
I rather have carney at the helm couple months facing trump then wait 4 years ….
And if carney could prevent a majority of polievre , it’s already a win for me .
And who knows , he might surprise with an incredibly great run .
Ps: it’s hard to get burn if you never really get to be in power or at least be in the parliament at least a year + even if you lose one election .
Is the perfect outsider of Trudeau regime anyway .
It might attract a lot more people then we think shrug .
Well I hope you’re right, but I think you’re wrong.
I hope too lol
FWIW , carney just need to be strong (very) in Ontario which is something he can clearly do with Toronto for example .
The bloc can take care of Quebec .
Just need npd steal some seat from the PC and polievre might have a very tough road ahead compare to Justin staying .
FWIW if carney loses but polievre didn’t get a majority I don’t see how we could think carney would be burn .
On the contrary imo .
He would of saved the liberal of an historic defeat
Ya I agree, even holding Poilievre to a strong minority where he forms government (i.e. no NDP+bloc+liberal coalition BS) would still be a massive relative win and vindicate the teamresign folks forever.
Im not. Carney could be great for Canada. So burning him on a guaranteed-to-lose nothing election seems pointless. Why not just Leblanc who cleans up all Trudeau’s messes with complete loyalty just take the drivers seat for 3 months or whatever to get his name in the history books and then carney can come in in four years.
As usual Uke and I agree I just don’t know why Carney would want to board the sinking ship . His strategy should be to be the leader to come on after the liberals get destroyed
I don’t see Trudeau getting to a non confidence vote instead prorogue government instead
