British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
Labour has a massive majority, there is no particular infight within the party that i know of, why is everyone talking as if elections were even remotely close? UK is going to be governed by labour for years and there is nothing anyone else can do to avoid that tragic outcome anymore, the people have spoken and they deserve to be governed by labor as they chose.
If this Labour government is a tragic outcome (and I don't disagree) how would you describe a Reform government bankrolled by Musk and dancing to his tune?
If this Labour government is a tragic outcome (and I don't disagree) how would you describe a Reform government bankrolled by Musk and dancing to his tune?
Exceptionally better, if it just reduces the commitment toward "net zero" reducing regulations that alone would be so massively good , so excecptionally important, it's very hard to see what else could go even worse that it currently does to make a Reform government worse.
Climate-change related regulations are destroying the economy of the UK (and of the EU as well) and any move against that would be an important first step to try to salvage our nations from the green-red marxist forces that have been doing their best to annihilate human welfare in the last decades.
Yes i realize the tories were on board with that trend as well, a main reason to consider them utterly disqualified as a rightwing party and shamefully leftist as well (coupled with covid lockdowns ofc).
The economy is a lot more important than everything else combined, and immigration and foreign policy make up most of the rest (remember i give 0 ****s to "inequality" and other nonsenses from the left).
Reform is exceptionally better than any other party for the economy (just by being rightwing and more against regulations, as elsewhere), exceptionally better about immigration (just by disliking low skilled unfiltered immigration, which is bad for society for me as well), and possibly worse on foreign policy (friendly or at least not as inimical as they should with Putin, and i don't know Farage stand toward Israel but i know Labor as pro-hamas MPs so it can't be worse than that i hope)
Stopped reading at word number two.
In an interview on Radio 4’s PM programme, David Lidington, who was de facto deputy PM when Theresa May was in Downing Street, said he wanted to see Tories defend Jess Phillips in response to Elon Musk’s claim that she was a “rape genocide apologist”. Lidington said:
I think it’s right that politicians left, right and centre in our democratic space should speak out very strongly when the sort of language, whether from Mr Musk or anybody else, comes close to putting at risk the safety of people who are exposing themselves to the democratic verdict in public life.
Frankly the reaction of any British political party to what Mr Musk said about Jess Phillips should be a mix of disgust, anger and contempt.
I would like to see leading members of my party come out to defend Jess Phillips, a Labour minister, against the sort of abuse she’s been getting. I think you can criticise her policies and her competency as a minister as much as you like, that’s perfectly fair game. But the sort of things we’ve had in recent days are despicable and should be rejected across the political spectrum.
In an interview on the BBC’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg yesterday, Philp said the bare minimum when asked to condemn Musk’s comment about Phillips. “The specific language used about Jess Phillips is not appropriate,” he said.
In his response to Cooper, Philp was marginally more robust. He said attempts to threaten or intimidate Phillips were “completely wrong”.
We know that Musk doesn't want Farage as leader of his new toy party, Reform. Would it surprise anyone if his favoured leader was Boris Johnson?
Your two word answer was all I needed.
You actually believe that a Reform government bankrolled by Musk and dancing to his tune is "exceptionally better" than the current (admittedly bad) government.
LOL Luciom
Yes i believe that literally anyone who will reduce green nonsense would be far better than anyone who would quickly keep going toward the abyss of net 0, because everything else combined matters less.
I would be surprised as Musk and company were and are adamantly against all net 0 nonsense, and lockdowns, and BoJo implemented both.
otoh Johnson has no political credo whatsoever, and bows in whichever direction the wind is blowing. The only things of any importance to him are the greater glorification of Boris Johnson and grifting, which is why he's often been compared to Trump. He's a chancer and an unprincipled opportunist.
Luciom, what's your opinion on Andrew Tate? Think he'll make a great PM?
I'd agree that those who have opposed 'believe the victim' and not supported measures such as legal duty to report have been part of enabling a lot of rapes and abuse
Anone who is buying an excuse from the police/etc that they didn't pursue child rapists because they were worried about community tensions is enabling one hell of a lot.
Lets have a national enquiry but let's not enable alot more rape/abuse by restricting it. It's long past time when it should be unthinkable that it isn't taken wit
I don't think anyone buys that excuse, but it is an excuse that was very much made by police and council leaders at the time. Solicitor Adele Weir (now Gladman), who, along with social worker Jayne Senior, was among the first to investigate the Rotherham scandal from 2000 on, met with this reception:--
During a meeting at Rotherham police station with senior police and council officials, they seemed incensed that Weir had written to the Chief Constable. Jayne Senior, who was present, said Weir was subjected to a "tirade that lasted I don't know how long". According to Weir, at some point after this an official warned her against mentioning Asian men:
She said you must never refer to that again. You must never refer to Asian men. And her other response was to book me on a two-day ethnicity and diversity course to raise my awareness of ethnic issues.
Yes i believe that literally anyone who will reduce green nonsense would be far better than anyone who would quickly keep going toward the abyss of net 0, because everything else combined matters less.
So debt, inflation, gdp growth , immigration isn’t that important right ?
I’m surprise u hold that view
Note how our future PM spells the name of the country he's so patriotic about:
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I don't doubt it was given an excuse.
And they may well have been so unsympathetic towards the victims that it was suffient for them.
That is inexcusable
After all the years of watching Corbyn get stabbed in the back by his "colleagues", watching this is highly enjoyable:
Very evil and bad person, mysoginist , a stupid guy idea of what masculinity is about, also an exploiter of minor prostitutes afaik and certainly many other crimes.
I hope this take isn't read as racist just because he is muslim though
otoh Johnson has no political credo whatsoever, and bows in whichever direction the wind is blowing. The only things of any importance to him are the greater glorification of Boris Johnson and grifting, which is why he's often been compared to Trump. He's a chancer and an unprincipled opportunist.
Which wind blew toward net 0 ever except the fetid marxist one?
So debt, inflation, gdp growth , immigration isn’t that important right ?
I’m surprise u hold that view
they are important but green transition devastates all of that . Read above for importante.
Economy more important than everything else (and right now by far the worst threat to the economy is the green nonsense in the UK and EU).
Then immigration then foreign policy
Green insanity is absurdly inflationary, it requires insane deficits, it destroys gdp growth.
Labour has a massive majority, there is no particular infight within the party that i know of, why is everyone talking as if elections were even remotely close? UK is going to be governed by labour for years and there is nothing anyone else can do to avoid that tragic outcome anymore, the people have spoken and they deserve to be governed by labor as they chose.
Question is whether you can still find anyone that doesn't regret their vote, outside of union wingnuts who've been paid off
Question is whether you can still find anyone that doesn't regret their vote, outside of union wingnuts who've been paid off
labour decides when the next vote is going to be, especially if they think they are a lot weaker than when the vote happened, why would they give up on years of salaries doing at best nothing, at worst ruining the country even more, to hear how people have changed their mind?
I don't regret my vote because it went to a left wing independent.
labour decides when the next vote is going to be, especially if they think they are a lot weaker than when the vote happened, why would they give up on years of salaries doing at best nothing, at worst ruining the country even more, to hear how people have changed their mind?
Labour could win every vote they had last time plus a lot more and still lose the next general election by landslide. Their vote share was pathetic
However I still predict they will win comfortably. Probably with a significantly smaller majority but a significantly larger vote share.
