Cheating on the gulf coast

You missed the whole point, I wasn't saying they shouldn't say they are good. I think its bizarre people losing to a known stable would come on here and defend the guy taking their money. That is bizarre to me. I believe several of the new accounts are the same person or people. That is my theory. Not all of them but some of them

First let me say that what I hope comes from this thread is that a certain casino in Biloxi is carefully reviewing their tapes/ hiring an outside firm to investigate.

I'm not overly hopeful that they will catch anything as I doubt cameras on the ceilings of these giant conference rooms can pick up enough detail unless they were tipped off ahead of time and zooming in with an optical zoom. When a dealer was caught red-handed in Texas setting a deck, a tournament director viewed the slow-motion cell phone video taken from like two feet away and was still arguing on Twitter that no cheating was taking place. Someone that is an expert in the field couldn't spot a (very unskilled) mechanic even after watching a close up of them cheating in slow-mo that was pre-labeled as cheating!

Second I want to apologize to any honest dealers that are facing additional scrutiny. That wasn't my intention. I left the Biloxi series early due to my concerns (even though fields are epically soft). I was just going to put the experience behind me with no intention to return or say anything, but when I saw this thread I decided to speak up. It was kind of a spur of the moment decision and I didn't think about all the potential ramifications. I don't know any of the people allegedly involved and honestly probably couldn't pick the people I suspected out of a lineup.

Anyway I'm not a dealer but the proper procedure is something like riffle, riffle, box shuffle, riffle, release hands from deck, move cut card to front of deck, cut with one hand and deal.

The cut is probably most important, as an honest cut at least makes setting a deck infinitely harder to do.

Mechanics often do a push through shuffle where they take each side of the deck and push them through each other so it looks like they're shuffling, but they're just pushing the cards through each other. Then they combine the last push-through riffle into a two-handed cut where they just put the bottom of the deck down on the cut card and put the top right back on top.

I wanted to stick to facts in my initial post, but I was relatively confident I saw two decks get set by two different dealers using this exact move during the series in Biloxi. It's very hard to spot in real time with 100% confidence, as unfortunately a lot of lazy (but honest) dealers do similar-looking two-handed cuts that are not cheating. Just because you witness something resembling this move right before a big cooler is dealt doesn't really prove anything without a slow-mo video to show the deck was in fact being set. So again, I'm not completely certain but am highly suspicious. If I had to put a number on it I would say I was 70% confident that I saw decks being set. This was in a giant room long before the eyes and scrutiny of a final table.

Now a word about chip dumping. I'm much less concerned about it than most people seem to be. The reason is that the math doesn't support it as a viable strategy. According to ICM each additional chip is worth less in real money value than the preceding chips. What this means is that mathematically the same amount of chips is worth more divided amongst two players than it is if it is dumped to one player.

That doesn't mean having weak players dump chips to skilled players might not be a viable strategy, but it's going to be of limited utility in real money results (profits) because it is working against the math. Pretty much it will only be a winning strategy if the player the chips are dumped to is good enough to make up for the loss in value when the chips are dumped.

Basically if you're a good player not involved in the chip dumping then the ICM value of your stack goes up when the chip dumping occurs, while the ICM value of the two stacks combined into one with a chip dump goes down. Not something I would be too worried about. I would be more concerned about collusion like card sharing, whipsaw betting and the like.

Now moving on I want to make it clear that I don't know any of the accused people in this thread. I didn't know the dealers I was suspicious of. I was literally in Biloxi for four or five days and reached these conclusions as someone who knows the game, and who has seen it all. The way the thread has played out definitely makes me suspicious that some of the accused are cheating though.

Take this:

Interesting, cheat and help others. That seems like exactly how a cheater would rationalize it to themselves.

And all this nonsense about going all in blind 35 times but just being that good that you make up for it with your skill edge.

Phil Ivey isn't that good. No one is that good. Maybe you make enough from taking sports bets, poker horses and running poker games to afford to give away a lot of money on the tables, but this nonsense that "these guys are just that good" is just that. Nonsense.

Freudian slip much. Yeah it is dumb to boss around horses to dump chips when they might later owe you money and have an incentive to rat you out.

Anyway I've had an account on here for years and this is the first time I've ever gotten into cheating discussions involving actual people. It's really not my style to get into all the drama. In that time I've witnessed a LOT of cheating IRL. I can think of three occasions where I caught someone red-handed, but 9 times out of 10 it is suspicions and behind the scenes discussions among regs.

But I've decided it is important to have these discussions. Yeah it's probably bad for bringing in new players and some innocent people end up getting scrutinized but it's the only way to fight back against the cheaters.

Now back to the your regular scheduled programming of new accounts singing the praises of the alleged cheaters and talking **** about anyone that would dare question them.

“Now back to people hiding behind a screen name because they are too scared to reveal a real identity to put with their accusations.” - that’s what you meant to say right?

One side is people stating who they are, saying they’ve played with them and don’t think there is cheating. Other side won’t reveal their identity but are sure they are being cheated by half ass untrained dealers or they are convinced that a non profitable chip dumping scheme is what they are doing so they a few players can
Look good - even though it’d be impossible for all them to profit.

At this point this is literally the dumbest thread in history. Flat earthers have more of an IQ that those of you who are sure that a dumbass untrained dealer who cut the cards incorrectly or showing up to the wrong table during dealer change is somehow cheating you on a repetitive basis right in front of your eyes.

I’m GLAD you left Biloxi and hope you never return to Gulf South Poker. I don’t care how bad you play - nothing tilts me more than being at a table with a complete moron.

And lastly - no one claimed Cody’s edge was so great he could overcome 30 entries. We claimed his results were better when he gets a big stack early in tournaments (bc then he can bully the shorter stacks who are also worse players). This isn’t ****ing rocket science. Sometimes he loses lots of money employing that strategy. Sometimes he gets a stack early and runs over a field without reentering because he triples up on his all in blind. He’s a gambler. Ask people how much they’ve seen him lose in the pits. Gamblers are going to gamble - and that’s what he’s doing.

Excuse me, wasn't apologizing to you dealer cheez it's. I'm guessing you're one of the cheats otherwise I have no idea why you'd be on here taking things so personally when, as far as I can tell, you were never personally named. Anyway if YOU want to post your real name and pic feel free and I'll let people know whether you were one of the people I witnessed cheating.

Otherwise we'll just wait for security to get around to reviewing the tapes.

Well 99% of these people know who I am. Apparently Noone knows who you are Mr. Accuser... just curious why you didn't notify your floor staff of you being cheated. Seems really fishy to me.... maybe it was your own mechanic screwed up and sent the wrong hand one seat over and you busted... see how that goes

Quite frankly... you didn't witness ****... you more than likely weren't even there. Probably just a troll looking for a laugh. Good on ya bra!

Did someone accuse you personally? Or I guess these 99% of people who know you would just assume you were the guilty party by association? Sorry that's your problem not mine.

Did you expect to make accusations against dealers/floors and some dealers not take offense? You really are ****ing stupid. It’s our jobs, our livelihoods. I work with a lot of the same dealers in Iowa, North Carolina, Oklahoma, etc. I have many of those same dealers deal to me when I’m playing in Mississippi and elsewhere. No one likes being called a cheat or having their workplace scrutinized for **** that you can’t even make a plausible argument is actually
Happening. Life must really suck when you can’t accept where you stand amongst your peers. It’s not easy to call yourself a loser, I know. But you have made it clear that’s what you are.

For all you that think the dealers are cheating, you can go on the gulf coast poker.net Facebook page and watch videos of hands. Not sure you will see much shuffles and cuts but instead of just making acquisitions on the dealers, do some studying and find something if it really happened.

Again, I highly doubt any cheating happened. Specially not with any dealers dealing cards. If anyone is more concerned about it, keep a look out when you’re at any of their tables. But I think the outing of them needs to move on. If chip dumping happened, state more cases and bring in more names to confirm it. This thread is getting ridiculous.

I get the new account thing, but I haven’t been on twoplustwo in god knows how many years. Didn’t know existed still. What more value is my account than a new one?

All the **** is running back and forth. Cody supplied some addys for y’all to look into. Let’s post some facts backed up or move on

...Just because we don't spam 10 posts on some thread where you just said you know nothing about the situation or anyone involved doesn't mean we don't have info for the situation that is relevant. Who would want to even post on a forum where everyone is a troll talking **** to each other lol. I was at the event in question, gave my opinion, and without knowing anything you attack me for it to spam your post count up I'm guessing? Classy and informative, thanks for your input man!

To me this is just a bunch of online guys trying to find the reason they can't beat live MTTs like the circuit regs. "I'm probably better than them why do they win and I don't?!? They must be cheating!" It's a joke.. drop the ego and learn that live and online are two different games that require completely different skillsets and you'll probably start getting better results.

Since this is all a bunch of trolls and my opinion doesn't matter because of how many posts my account has made I'll dip too.

Yea I'm new account... Didnt know this ridiculous forum even existed til 2 days ago when a fellow dealer sent me a link and your asinine comment was the first I had the displeasure of reading. Yes you actually "blanket" insulted anyone that worked there. Too bad you didn't have the "stones" to actually do it to our face. I would have enjoyed that.

I truly believe all of your bullshit messages on here are actual bullshit. I don't believe you were there. If you were tell me a start time of a tournament or what the name of the room it was being held in named? Doubt ya can. You are an internet troll that's all. Congrats you got a couple us "turnt" as the kids say nowdays.

I doubt you did... otherwise you should say something... No reason not to. Floor staff are pretty damn direct with an answer.... if you are just agreeing with this nonsense to stir the pot I hope poker karma finds you

They'd both do me, but I don't think they like each other.

See!!!!! Another variable to make it damn near impossible �� �� ��

Please do put a list together... or ****ing "nut up" and report it.... you know why don't. Cause it didn't happen. You are living in fantasy land where every dealer is "Worm" from Rounders.... sweet Jesus you people need a clue