Cheating on the gulf coast
What exactly is going on down south, the same stable of players literally has won every event for the past year.. i know i can't be the only one thinking something smells fishy
Is it possible to get a TLDR? Interested in this but not interested in scrolling 14 pages of drivel?
Many thanks
-- Lots of accusations being thrown.
-- Lots of douchey "bro" names of the accused who probably walk around casinos with white headphones and backpacks.
-- Poker players cheat in many ways.
-- Dealers may be in on it too.
-- Poker players have stables
-- The gulf area has the "softest field".
-- Don't invest in crypto that is pimped by a poker player
You're caught up...
I'm FAR from naive and know just because someone is a nice guy they can't be a scumbag. I know plenty of seemingly nice guys that are 1000% scammers.
If someone is a jerk; they might be a scumbag.
If someone is 'nice'; they're 100% a scumbag.
The smiles and false pleasantries mask their true intent.
[QUOTE=Lucy's Fur;58864563]Starting to sound like the anons are projecting their own strategy on others.
Well I disagree with you vehemently there.
I'm still saying; people who do back others would be morons not to soft play in key spots. (so they do).
If you're accusing me of having this strategy; let me assure you. I do not cheat and have no friends, nor business partners, nor people I discuss poker or any other topic with.
Do you see how you can just write 'no, I don't do that' when you don't do that?
He didn't do that; he gave 50 reasons it was impossible without ever saying no.
I’ve been a part of three stables in my life: one live, two online. Never have I been asked to chip dump, soft play or collude. I have too much respect for the game to ever cheat or compromise its integrity in any way. Never have, never will.
People see what they want to see. I have no desire to try to convince anonymous posters online. Those who know me know my character and the work I put in, and that’s all that matters to me.
Ya’ll enjoy the witch hunt, but be mindful of mistaking speculation
This I believe. The other guy I do not believe.
You very coherently said 'No, I am not doing this." - The other guy didn't do that Preseton.
In fact; he beat around the bush and derailed from the original question.
Oh he fires a lot of bullets so he cant be cheating!
Unless of course the accusation was about chip dumping. Then a lot of bullets would totally fit the profile. What do you know one of the main accusations is chip dumping.
Essentially most of the attempts at defence are simply deflection with some insults sprinkled in to discredit the people posting their concerns.
Thank you for having common sense. It is a breath of fresh air. 100% awesome post brother man.
Before you criticize, do. Just try it out sometime. See how easy it is to sustain a family playing poker for a living. There’s so much you’re missing.
Maurice? One of the best live circuit players by far. Not saying I’d ever back him, but you’re incredibly misguided by calling him “brain dead”. Play with him sometime.
Instead of jumping on the bandwagon do a little research. Everyone accused here has been successful at all stakes all around the country. Sure,
There's nothing I'm missing out on. I've done it for a very long time ON MY OWN DIME.
If I had been playing poker for years and still needed to be staked into 500 dollar tournaments I would have long ago found something better to do with my time.
Maybe these wizards should stop worrying so much about their precious hendon pages bc like I said it clearly doesn't mean **** if they're still broke after all of this time.
"These are are all crushers and fierce competitors in super soft games" and still can't afford their own buy ins after all this time.
Like I said the entire thing stinks.
It's so wretched that these things are just normal down there apparently. It's no big deal for Hawkins to scam people for years on end. It's no big deal for final tables to have 5-6 people sharing a bankroll. They don't even feel awkward about it. But it's not because they're "fierce competitors" (so classic) it's because they have ZERO integrity.
Sorry I offended you so much by calling Hawkins brain dead, which he is. He's an incredibly stupid human being. Scamming his way to a living in small buy in events against terrible players doesn't change that.I also forgot to add that he's pond scum and for that I do apologize sincerely.
We are inching closer to HU4ROLLZ
Also me running anything illegal such as a hyptothetical sportsbook if I were doing such a thing doesn’t mean I’m a cheat or a bad person? Does you running a stop sign or speeding make you a bad person or a cheat? Everyone in life do illegal things. I’m not admitting to having a sportsbook only suggesting that someone doing anything illegal doesn’t mean their a bad person.
No, it means they are willing to break laws for their own gain without regard for how it impacts others.
Your comment doesn't bolster your case; it just digs the hole deeper.
Before you criticize, do. Just try it out sometime. See how easy it is to sustain a family playing poker for a living. There’s so much you’re missing.
Maurice? One of the best live circuit players by far. Not saying I’d ever back him, but you’re incredibly misguided by calling him “brain dead”. Play with him sometime.
Instead of jumping on the bandwagon do a little research. Everyone accused here has been successful at all stakes all around the country. Sure, we don’t consistently play high rol
Maurice is a PoS. Possibly the biggest PoS on the planet in terms of the poker world. Why he’s even allowed to keep playing is nothing short of one of life’s greatest mysteries. Any chance you’d like to address him? Probably not, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on why it’s apparently kosher to associate with well known scum?
1. As to the OP's post; It is perfectly acceptable to voice concerns you may have regarding what you believe is going on. I would have done it differently and never mentioned a person (or made it so obvious as to who I thought it was) by name without proof. I understand (better than most on here) how difficult it is to gather enough evidence to prove collusion, but a direct accusation should not be levied without it. Some of you may disagree with me on that point, but as someone that has spen
$20 says they offered you a plea deal that was insanely tempting to take. I've personally plead on charges I wasn't guilty of because the alternative was a decade in prison.
The plea deal? "Admit guilt, pay $500 fine, $250 court fee, 25 hours of community service, get counseling."
I paid everything, did the community service, then ghosted them as far as therapy goes. I felt they went overboard with requesting therapy; and even if I had commit what they claimed (didn't), asking someone for proof of therapy is beyond the scope of a lawful court room. Not their business, and it's cruel and unusual.
If we only had the group text threads of the “stable”…..it would all be so simple….
14 pages in 7 days, definitely nothing going on down on the gulf coast. Lots of shirt giving though!!!
If you're at a final table with a bunch of people playing on the same bank roll you're getting cheated- period..
Very much this. Part of the reason I'm fine speculating about it without 200 hours of video evidence. That TD and others are being silly asking for proof of soft play or whatever, as that's impossible. Someone did post about a J high call, and it was met with all this weird crap about how that's a standard call and the guy was ill and so on.
Playing as a team in an individual competition is collusion. Even if you only reduce variance, you've cooperated with other players to gain an advantage on the field. If you are a sick crusher and fierce competitor, the one advantage the dentist who entered the tournament has over you is that he doesn't care about the money. You teamed up with other players to take away an advantage another player had over you. That's clear cut collusion. It just so happens that poker is a cesspool, so this is allowed.
Once you've crossed that line, especially to the point where you have a formal stable, as opposed to like 2 guys swapping 5%, there really is no reason not to collude further, other than you are exactly unethical enough to collude only up to a certain point, then become scrupulously ethical. In this case, one of the players is a fairly serious criminal. In the area of gambling. They're cool with Hawkins and involved in a crypto scam. So...
Before you criticize, do. Just try it out sometime. See how easy it is to sustain a family playing poker for a living. There’s so much you’re missing.
Maurice? One of the best live circuit players by far. Not saying I’d ever back him, but you’re incredibly misguided by calling him “brain dead”. Play with him sometime.
Instead of jumping on the bandwagon do a little research. Everyone accused here has been successful at all stakes all around the country. Sure, we don’t consistently play high rol
Gold! I am probably about the 3,585th most successful gambler to ever post on 2+2 and if I needed to be staked for a $200 live event I'd just go do something else. To even get me to play a $200 live event at all, you'd have to give me a deal so good that I would feel guilty taking it.
I like the recurring theme that you guys are just trying to support your families. You keep rationalizing the wrongdoing you claim you never did. You keep pinning red flags to yourselves.
If only there was some way to support a family other than collusion at poker, crypto scams and illegal bookmaking.
Kind of a moot point as I'm sure Chris Ferguson, Mike Postle, Russ Hamilton and the guy who just cheated in the main right on TV could all waltz into any of these tournies and register with no problem, so you have nothing to worry about.
Been reading this shitshow from the start and never commented but I have only two more words to say, **** stables.
No dog in this fight. Food for thought though.
Your late teens/early 20's daughter introduces you to her new boyfriend. You ask around some to try to get an idea of what he is like, and here are some of the things you find out:
1 - They used to run an underground illegal sportsbook and possible other illegal gambling activities. When called out on it, he shrugged it off and said other people run stop signs, so what's the big deal as they are no better than him.
2 - They are a known to associate with and have also lent money to a known cheat and all around scumbag of a person in the area.
3 - They backed a pump and dump e-coin scam and posted on social media everywhere about how great it was and guaranteed friends and family that they would make a bunch of money on it if they invested in it. After everyone lost money, they simply claimed they just didn't know any better.
4 - Created a team of people to share data, study together, and play as a team in a game designed for individual play only, so they could gain an advantage on other unsuspecting players to beat them out of their money.
5 - While you were asking around and doing your research, a bunch of people you have never seen before or heard of, all of a sudden kept coming up to you to tell you how great of a guy he is and vouching for him.
How many people are happy their daughter is dating this 'great' guy?
Fun thread. Whoever said it reminds them of rec poker, yeah. Get Russ G in here.
So this dude associates with Hawkins. Maybe broke the law (IANAL) to pump and dump a fraud coin, but was completely innocent because he had no idea such things occurred. Definitely breaks the law and is willing to risk prison to fleece people with an illegal sports book, but didn't do anything wrong there either and heck, that's no different than rolling through a stop sign. We are all just as guilty as he is. Pl
Well said
LOL. You can't make this **** up.
Does anyone know the names of the dealers of the final 2/3 tables of these events? I can't believe players outside the stable still play these events.
Beau Rivage Hotel, Biloxi - Jan 11 - $400 Tag Team event. (Entries - 228)
1 Preston McEwen ($6K)
2. William Stanford + Maurice Hawkins ($6K - looks like a chop with Preston) - Cody and Maurice are not old associates / acquaintances. They tag-teamed a week ago.
https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.p...
Beau Rivage Hotel, Biloxi - Jan 6 - $2000 High roller (Entries 135)
1. Preston McEwen ($68K)
https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.p...
Beau Rivage Hotel, Biloxi - Jan 8 - $500 triple stack (Entries 2525)
1. William Stanford ($181K)
https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.p...
Beau Rivage Hotel, Biloxi - Jan 13 - $1200 main event (Entries - 1755)
3. William Stanford (looks like a chop) $169K
Yikes, stable just that good or……😀
You can't make this **** up. Does anyone know the names of the dealers of the final 2/3 tables of these events? I can't believe players outside the stable still play these events.
Beau Rivage Hotel, Biloxi - Jan 11 - $400 Tag Team event.
1 Preston McEwen ($6K)
2. William Stanford + Maurice Hawkins ($6K - looks like a chop with Preston) - Cody and Maurice are not old associates / acquaintances. They tag-teamed a week ago.
LOL.
You have to understand, there is no other possible way to feed your family and this is no different from rolling through a stop sign, so if you've ever done that you're just as bad as him and he's a fierce competitor and it's just like selling things on etsy and he didn't know who Hawkings even was and up until now didn't even know there were any unethical people in poker. This is my truth.
Good guy and online crusher Dan Sewnig commits suicide because he can't beat rigged live poker tourneys full of cheaters and scumbags.
Even if we can't fix the rigging, by speculating about it, we can prevent others from possibly wasting their time and money, and sometimes their lives.
What a wasteland poker is.
RIP Dan. Wish you knew the real odds against you.
LOL. You can't make this **** up.
Does anyone know the names of the dealers of the final 2/3 tables of these events? I can't believe players outside the stable still play these events.
Beau Rivage Hotel, Biloxi - Jan 11 - $400 Tag Team event. (Entries - 228)
1 Preston McEwen ($6K)
2. William Stanford + Maurice Hawkins ($6K - looks like a chop with Preston) - Cody and Maurice are not old associates / acquaintances. They tag-teamed a week ago.
https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.p...
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To be fair, the tag team event was last year. But I’ll make sure to ask permission before winning another tournament. Jfc y'all are insufferable lol
As the person who first expressed concerns about dealers in this series I would request people not post dealers names publicly unless there is some actual evidence of wrongdoing.
I don't want any innocent dealers' names to be dragged through the mud on account of what I said.
Maybe it might be appropriate to share the names with interested parties by PM if anyone wants to look into things.
I also think the final table is the least likely time for dealers to be involved in setting any decks. The final table is going to have a lot more eyes on it, and I would be more interested to know who was dealing key hands earlier in the tournament. Those are the times when no one is really watching that dealers could most easily get away with setting a deck.
As the person who first expressed concerns about dealers in this series I would request people not post dealers names publicly unless there is some actual evidence of wrongdoing.
I don't want any innocent dealers' names to be dragged through the mud on account of what I said.
Maybe it might be appropriate to share the names with interested parties by PM if anyone wants to look into things.
I also think the final table is the least likely time for dealers to be involved in setting any decks. The fi
I only know Chet from his posting in this thread. Hope that clarifies.
Yeah he already injected himself into the situation. I was just trying to avoid any random dealers being thrown into the mix just because they were assigned to deal a final table.
I have a feeling some of the more veteran dealers know more about what's going on than anyone else though. If they're not involved I'll bet they've at the very least heard rumors about what's going on.
