The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Strong how? He tried to lecture Americans who just voted a mandate for Trump to do exactly what he's doing.
Several states have larger economies than Canada. So how does this end for Canada? What's the goal here by imposing counter tariffs, do people actually think Trump will cave before Canada or Mexico.
I understand we are all being manipulated by the MSM and anti-Trump establishment, that just wants to oppose Trump, at any cost. Even if the whole world burns. But has there ever been any acknowledgement, or has anyone even asked, what does Trump actually want, and is there a reasonable place to meet him?
For good or bad, it seems it is so much easier for third world dictators to deal with Trump than Western democracies. It seems they can just ask him what he wants, find some deal that is mu
Its pretty simple... Trump has said that a trade deficit is the same as losing and we have a trade deficit with Canada. He was calling our trade deficit a subsidy. He likes tariffs. He might actually love tariffs.
Its interesting watching you defend him while cad tanks to unprecedented lows and the government is talking about covid like social subsidy. I've always found the self directed schadenfreude fascinating if not infuriating that right wing lock step Canadian loyalists display. Canada and Mexico should be the US closest allies.
This isn't reality - fentanyl is mentioned in most articles cbc, nbc, national post, ctv, AP.
And yes it is just a BS justification so that he doesn't have to go through congress to get the tariffs through
Trudeau just made a statement, and the word fentanyl didn't come up once. Shouldn't an appropriate response to Trump's argument be to acknowledge his argument, and then explain why it isn't valid. It seems Ford did the same thing.
Seems everyone just wants to escalate and not actually acknowledge what Trump is even arguing, even to counter it as BS.
I find Trump's argument absurd. By all accounts Canada has the exact same problems as the US, with porous borders and illegal drugs being smuggled in from China and Mexico causing a major public health crisis. So I am not sure it is in Canada's interest to "stand tall with Mexico," which is basically a failed state controlled by cartels.
I just find it interesting how no one seems to even be asking what does Trump actually want? Does Trump actually want to intentionally hurt the US and Canadian economies for no discernible rational reason; or is this a strange attempt at leverage, and if it is attempted leverage, for what?
Trudeau just made a statement, and the word fentanyl didn't come up once. Shouldn't an appropriate response to Trump's argument be to acknowledge his argument, and then explain why it isn't valid. It seems Ford did the same thing.
Seems everyone just wants to escalate and not actually acknowledge what Trump is even arguing, even to counter it as BS.
I find Trump's argument absurd. By all accounts Canada has the exact same problems as the US, with porous borders and illegal drugs being smuggle
From Trudeau's statement today:
Let’s take a moment to talk about our shared border. Our border is already safe and secure, but there’s always, always more work to do. Less than one per cent of fentanyl, less than one per cent of illegal crossings into the United States come from Canada.
But hearing concerns from both Canadians and Americans, including the American president himself, we’re taking action. We launched a $1.3 billion border plan that is already showing results, because we, too, are devastated by the scourge that is fentanyl, a drug that has torn apart communities and caused so much pain and torment for countless families across Canada, just like in the United States.
I think in Trump's addelled brain he thinks tariffs are good for the US, as coordi said. The extra income helps justify tax cuts for the wealthy, and gives him leverage over domestic businesses as they might try to gain his favor to negotiate tariff exemptions which benefit their interests.
Seems everyone just wants to escalate and not actually acknowledge what Trump is even arguing, even to counter it as BS.
You have the threads communist frothing from the mouth since the threat of tariffs first started. Saying we have to band together and fight, they'll be tragic pain and suffering, we are at war. If you put your tin foil hat on for a second it's almost as if those people want to escalate a trade war, crash the Canadian economy, blame Trump and have an excuse for another massive government relief package.
Its pretty simple... Trump has said that a trade deficit is the same as losing and we have a trade deficit with Canada. He was calling our trade deficit a subsidy. He likes tariffs. He might actually love tariffs.
Its interesting watching you defend him while cad tanks to unprecedented lows and the government is talking about covid like social subsidy. I've always found the self directed schadenfreude fascinating if not infuriating that right wing lock step Canadian loyalists display. Cana
I am not really defending him. I have trouble even understanding what is going on. He says he is just doing this as leverage to stop illegal immigrants and fentanyl trade. And then I read 10 articles by the American MSM on this, and his stated rationale doesn't even come up.
I still dont really know what Trump even wants. Does he actually want to just to tariffs, or is he trying to get leverage for something else, as he says he is? And our media is so negatively polarized against him, it is hard to navigate through their bias to get to any truth.
Can you not read ? Go back a page were I admitted I was wrong about Trump if the tariffs come into play .
I have always said if I was an American wouldn’t vote for him
Trump is doing what he thinks is best for the USA some of the things he is doing I support some I do not
Luckily we will have a strong leader in 6 months in Pierre
Let me say in advance if Trudeau hits back strong I’ll give him credit . If he does a small package he’s an idiot
I know you said trump is bad but you always advert you the blame by trying to put in it In someways to say if it wasn’t for Trudeau …..
Trump is a stupid dick , he was bad in his first term with his allies (tariffs and other $h!t) and he just repeat the only same garbage book he knows of ….
For the bolded part , I think Canada should wait and see how China and Mexico respond will be .
I think trump will crash himself in the wall pretty quickly .
But yeah if needed hopefully Trudeau will find some balls to act .
I am not really defending him. I have trouble even understanding what is going on. He says he is just doing this as leverage to stop illegal immigrants and fentanyl trade. And then I read 10 articles by the American MSM on this, and his stated rationale doesn't even come up.
I still dont really know what Trump even wants. Does he actually want to just to tariffs, or is he trying to get leverage for something else, as he says he is? And our media is so negatively polarized against him, it is
Trump himself said at this point there isn’t anything Canada can do to change his mind .
The frontier was probably some garbage excuses as usual .
He wants tariffs like in 2018 .
FWIW it’s pretty stupid to think being in a deficit trade like the US is because Canada is unfair .
When u have such a strong US dollar , yes everything cost cheaper to import and you export less since it cost too much for economic partner …
Trump is so stupid .
For the bolded part , I think Canada should wait and see how China and Mexico respond will be .
I think trump will crash himself in the wall pretty quickly .
But yeah if needed hopefully Trudeau will find some balls to act .
You understand China and Mexico actually are very directly involved in the illicit drug and human trafficking trade into the US. And the Mexican govt especially is more or less partners with the cartels in these activities. So they cant exactly just tell Trump his rationale and rhetoric is BS, because in their case it certainly isn't.
You understand China and Mexico actually are very directly involved in the illicit drug and human trafficking trade into the US. And the Mexican govt especially is more or less partners with the cartels in these activities. So they cant exactly just tell Trump his rationale and rhetoric is BS, because in their case it certainly isn't.
Doesn’t matter , trump put us in the same boat (which isn’t the first time trump makes no sense ) !
So better go at war (even when the innocent are forced in) together then alone …
Doesn’t matter , trump put us in the same boat (which isn’t the first time trump makes no sense ) !
So better go at war (even when the innocent are forced in) together then alone …
Well, the Mexican cartels are pretty bad guys. So if you are going to go to war with them on your side, to support their elicit drug and human trafficking trade, then going to be hard to take the moral high ground going forward.
I would suggest a more moderate tract. Saying human trafficking is bad, narcotics are bad, we aren't involved in those things like Mexico and China, and the Trump tariffs are a bad idea, and the stated rationale for them is bad faith.
"Going to war" with Mexico and the cartels on your side seems like a bad idea.
Well, the Mexican cartels are pretty bad guys. So if you are going to go to war with them on your side, to support their elicit drug and human trafficking trade, then going to be hard to take the moral high ground going forward.
I would suggest a more moderate tract. Saying human trafficking is bad, narcotics are bad, we aren't involved in those things like Mexico and China, and the Trump tariffs are a bad idea, and the stated rationale for them is bad faith.
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Are you fackin insane or something ?
Trump like an idiot put us with them ….
All we do is using the same method and timing to retaliate , doesn’t mean we fight with the cartel or any stupid amalgam u can find ….
Maybe we should let trump beat us to a pulp doing nothing while we don’t deserve anything about it -> yeah great plan buddy ….
When someone attack u , hence with no freakn reason , people just retaliate .
To explain this to an American is freakn hilarious …
Ps: the thing that we should do peacefully , etc .
Already been done many time for weeks .
Trump said itself , nothing Canada can do for now to stop me putting big tariffs on Canada shrug .
The border and drug are just excuses , didn’t you get it already ?
Trump wants tariffs plain and simple .
Trudeau just made a statement, and the word fentanyl didn't come up once. Shouldn't an appropriate response to Trump's argument be to acknowledge his argument, and then explain why it isn't valid. It seems Ford did the same thing.
This is both false - he directly cited it AND has pledged billions to border security. But at the same time, basically everyone (including Trump) realizes it is BS. The arguments why it is utter BS have been given many times (Canada is 1% of fentanyl, it is an 8k long unwalled border with billions of goods flowing both ways every day, almost all of it untracked by both governments meaning any number of billions pissed in a false war on drugs via border security is more or less pointless. And trump himself is clearly MUCH more concerned about the trade deficit in general (which goes away if you include services or remove cheaper oil imports) and the whole fentanyl thing is just an empty way to make an excuse. Notice how Trump isn't lifting a finger to deal with fentanyl domestically). Ok fine, now we've explained why it isn't valid for the upteenth time, is that finally enough?
You have the threads communist frothing from the mouth since the threat of tariffs first started. Saying we have to band together and fight, they'll be tragic pain and suffering, we are at war. If you put your tin foil hat on for a second it's almost as if those people want to escalate a trade war, crash the Canadian economy, blame Trump and have an excuse for another massive government relief package.
Or you could take your tin foil hat off for a moment, cut the nootropics, and realize that maybe some of us have actual empathy for those who are going to lose their jobs, struggle to feed their kids, and be caught up in an unjustified and unjustifiable trade war launched by your leader.
The pain is real, it sucks, and the emotions some of us are having aren't just stupid internet troll games.
feeling pretty pro Trudeau today
Or you could take your tin foil hat off for a moment, cut the nootropics, and realize that maybe some of us have actual empathy for those who are going to lose their jobs, struggle to feed their kids, and be caught up in an unjustified and unjustifiable trade war launched by your leader.
The pain is real, it sucks, and the emotions some of us are having aren't just stupid internet troll games.
LOL, your such a loser and hypocrite. Where was your empathy for 3 years during COVID. How much damage pain and suffering did shutting down business, schools, restaurants and events cause? How much pain did locking people in their home and lost there jobs because they wouldn't take a vaccine cause or struggled to feed their family because of inflation.
Your faux empathy for people is bull ****.
Can you not read ? Go back a page were I admitted I was wrong about Trump if the tariffs come into play .
I have always said if I was an American wouldn’t vote for him
Trump is doing what he thinks is best for the USA some of the things he is doing I support some I do not
Luckily we will have a strong leader in 6 months in Pierre
Let me say in advance if Trudeau hits back strong I’ll give him credit . If he does a small package he’s an idiot
All forgiven then.
Spoiler
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--According to the Trump administration, they are trying to use the threat (and apparently implementation) of tariffs as leverage to stop illegal immigration and drugs from crossing into the US from Canada.
--The weird thing is you can read 100 articles from American and Canadian media and you wouldn't find a single one that acknowledges this, even to say it i
Idk I haven't read much on this, but almost everything I did read mentioned it (and that they were BS reasons)
And what's the excuse for everyone that voted for Trudeau?
I had a political opinion on whom would be better for Canada . I made the assumption he would approve Keystone to get more oil flowing to Texas which as a Albertan at the time was better for Alberta . I expected Trump to break some of his campaign promises like Tariffs on Canada. I was wrong instead he is keeping all his campaign promises unlike our leader Justin that delivered on a small % .
You may ask why don't senators stand up to Trump well the same way strong women stood up to Trudeau and were removed .
The people of the USA overwhelming voted for his policies and he is delivering . Sadly the way the selection at the DNC chair went the democrats may be screwed moving into the future
Trump succeeded at the almost impossible task of making Trudeau look like a decent politician for center-right people for once
LOL, your such a loser and hypocrite. Where was your empathy for 3 years during COVID. How much damage pain and suffering did shutting down business, schools, restaurants and events cause? How much pain did locking people in their home and lost there jobs because they wouldn't take a vaccine cause or struggled to feed their family because of inflation.
Your faux empathy for people is bull ****.
It's...strange....that your post didn't mention deaths. More people died of covid in canada than died fighting in ww2. Of course my heart broke for many people suffering in the covid era (it was why I support government supports to help them, which Trudeau did a great job of), but the two scenarios aren't the same. In covid we were trying to find a balance, perhaps imperfectly, between different types of suffering one of which was a large amount of morbidity and mortality. And there is the issue of choice, one could always make choices about wearing masks or being an anti-vaxxer, but the Canadians losing their jobs next week due to the tariffs didn't make choices here. I'm not sure what value there is in relitigating the covid era, but it's pretty silly that you turn to "loser and hypocrite" language but can't find it in yourself to even mention that people died.
Yes? The fentanyl crisis is significant (although declining, thankfully), but almost all the efforts should be made domestically. The simple reality is that with the volume of goods crossing the border every day and the pure size of the 8km border, you're never going to stop the flow of drugs over the border. There was a trillion dollar war on drugs on the southern border and the result of that is STILL that only 1% of the fentanyl seized comes from the north. So if you genuinely care about the crisis, you should be doing a LOT and spending a LOT of money domestically on treatment, prevention, education, policing, etc etc etc because you'll never be able to prevent it from coming into the country.
He did a good job. Threading the needling of responding to cause pain to americans without crippling ourself too bad and not escalating too far is super hard and impossible to know if he got it right, but it feels reasonable at least.
One thing I've been a bit surprised by from an otherwise usually politically savvy politician is that Poilievre has really let himself be upstaged on what is absolutely the most significant issue, not just by Trudeau but by Ford and Smith etc who have stolen the spotlight. on this file Like on Jan 31st his entire twitter feed is blasting about carbon tax carney this and carbon tax that and like buddy read the room.
Yes? The fentanyl crisis is significant (although declining, thankfully), but almost all the efforts should be made domestically. The simple reality is that with the volume of goods crossing the border every day and the pure size of the 8km border, you're never going to stop the flow of drugs over the border. There was a trillion dollar war on drugs on the southern border and the result of that is STILL that only 1% of the fentanyl seized comes from the north. So if you genuinely care about the
You are right you will never stop all of it but you can do things to combat it . Trump has done those things with more border enforcement, declaring the cartels as terrorists, deporting criminals and yes placing Tariffs on Mexico. Sadly the Mexican government and police forces are corrupted . Though what are you going to do if the cartel tells you will grab your wife, kids and parents and torture them unless you work for us .
Canada and Fentanyl seems like a non issue as a small %
You can spend as much as you want on treatment, prevention and education and policing and good luck as Liberals have defunded policing legalized possession in some cases and treatment requires doctors which we have none of
Sadly the Americans could also stop guns crossing into Mexico but we all know the gun lobby has that covered. Canada could do more on illegal guns but Trudeau doesn't believe in tough on gun crime
