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If he just took off, he was almost certainly topped off with fuel.
Horrible.
The fact that it was an air ambulance taking a child home after she was cleared to return is sad.
And yes, it just took off and crashed in a complete nose dive.
EDIT: because of the location there is a lot of video of it.
So far in the Washington accident it looks like what many of us thought after the first audio came out.The Army helicopter pilot confirmed to the controller that he had the traffic visual, and requested permission to maintain visual separation. I think this was reaffirmed when the controller later saw the two aircraft on a potential collision course, and the helicopter pilot re
The vast majority of my flights into DCA have used the main runway, 1-19. I’ve made the visual approach to 33 maybe 3 times in all those years. It’s just over 5000’ long and only an option during very strong northwesterly winds. I never landed on 33 in the 757.
The approach to 33 is often flown by the CRJ and Embraer types. It involves maneuvering onto final approach at low altitude. This plane was on the standard visual approach and it seems to me that the helicopter is the wildcard in this scenario. However, I will wait for the results of the accident investigation.
What I think is NOT a contributing factor, despite what our Dear Leader says, is DEI. His press conference was, to quote Capt. Sullenberger, “DISGUSTING.” All he did was confirm his own racism.
Thoughts on the Delta crash? I know the weather was terrible, but looks like the plane kinda crumpled.
W0X0F, what do you think about his attitude over the numbers? It doesn't even look like he had any flaps down.
Wind was 270 at 23 gusting to 33 when he was cleared to land on 23, so not too much of a crosswind.
In the video he appeared to land flat and hard which seemed to collapse the gear, and the wing snapping off was probably a good thing since it might of protected them from being engulfed in flames from the wing fuel tanks.
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I read there was no attempt to flair, as well. Super hard landing, and one of the landing gear struts collapsed.
I read there was no attempt to flair, as well. Super hard landing, and one of the landing gear struts collapsed.
Idk why he didn't flare and I can't see if he even had flaps down, they should of been down enough to be able to see them. I looked at his approach speeds and although he was at 110 knots 5 miles out (normal range is 125 to 135 knots) he should of been able to add enough power to correct it instead of lowering the nose. He was at 800ft when he was half a mile out which seems high, but that's just me and that was after the decision to continue in.
This reminds me when I was working for an FBO we had a famous/celebrity taking lessons there, and he landed so hard in one of our trainers one day (piper warrior) that it broke the landing gear and it had to be towed off. I'll never forget his face when he got dropped off and had to walk through our main desk area with everyone knowing he's the reason the field was closed, it was the most embarrassed look I've ever seen on anyone. When I helped him out later after he bought a bonanza I told him I never told anyone about that day lol.
I think this crash resulted from an extremely hard landing...no flare, as many have noted. You say he was at 800’ a half mile out. Is that agl? If so, it is extremely high and a go around should already be initiated. But if he was 800 msl, that is just under 300 agl (field elevation in 569’; I don’t know TDZE...Touchdown Zone Elevation).
I’ve never heard of a plane ending up inverted without fatalities. The wing(s) separating was probably a good thing as it eliminated fuel for a post-crash fire.
As I always say, I’m reluctant to speculate. I’ll be very interested in the report from the investigators. I heard (no confirmation) that this might have been IOE for the FO, i.e. he was new to the plane and being checked out by a Check Airman. The inexperience of the new FO should be offset by the greater experience of the Check Airman.
I was a Check Airman back in the 90s and there were occasions where I took control from the new FO. It’s to be expected occasionally.
Did a whiteout affect and blowing snow blur visibility for the flare timing? An analyst is talking about that possibility.
I think this crash resulted from an extremely hard landing...no flare, as many have noted. You say he was at 800’ a half mile out. Is that agl? If so, it is extremely high and a go around should already be initiated. But if he was 800 msl, that is just under 300 agl (field elevation in 569’; I don’t know TDZE...Touchdown Zone Elevation).I’ve never heard
It was 800 MSL, but it looks like he crossed over the threshold at around 350ft AGL.
Whoever was on the radio did sound young/inexperienced (it's easy to tell after only one or two words if a pilot is experienced or not) so if this was a check ride it would make sense but it would instead be the fault of the check pilot for either not taking it around if they were too high or not taking control back of the airplane. If they were too high they should of definitely took it around again instead of trying to over correct, and with visibility 6 with blowing snow hopefully they picked up and put in the correct numbers.
Retired Delta Captain Mark Stephens offers his opinion on the incident.
interesting how the guy was filming his exit and the other passengers instead of focusing on clearing the aircraft or helping others.
Retired Delta Captain Mark Stephens offers his opinion on the incident.https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BS9sfW...
I don't understand how he can say there's "no pilot error". He came in flat with his nose down and slammed the airplane to the ground lol. Yes, it's possible he had a faulty gear or experienced wind shear, but no one in their right mind should be ruling out pilot error. He's probably just lying to protect his company while making himself look incompetent.
I also heard some people on the news saying "No one died, what a great job by the pilot" um what? he flipped over the airplane upon landing it lol.
Did a whiteout affect and blowing snow blur visibility for the flare timing? An analyst is talking about that possibility.
That is a possibility. Whiteout can be extremely disorienting. My worst experience with that was in Syracuse in the 90s. With the whiteout, my only visual reference for landing was the runway edge lights. That was enough and the landing was not only uneventful, it was one of the smoothest I ever had. Credit the cushioning effect of the thin snow layer.
It was 800 MSL, but it looks like he crossed over the threshold at around 350ft AGL.
Whoever was on the radio did sound young/inexperienced (it's easy to tell after only one or two words if a pilot is experienced or not) so if this was a check ride it would make sense but it would instead be the faul800 msl is only 331’ agl, so you’re saying he was essentially level, not descending, for the last half mile. Not a stable approach.
The person on the radio is NOT the person flying.
Likely asked previously....every time I hear ATC/pilot audio playback the quality seems like dog****. Is that how it truly sounds? Seems like there would be a lot of "Say again, do not copy"
Likely asked previously....every time I hear ATC/pilot audio playback the quality seems like dog****. Is that how it truly sounds? Seems like there would be a lot of "Say again, do not copy"
My recollection is that it wasn’t that bad, but I get that the playbacks don’t seem great. Not sure if it’s just something we get used to or it’s actually better when you’ve got a good headset (especially noise-cancelling, which seems to be standard these days).
I'm sure quite a bit of this has probably been mentioned in this thread, but interesting video anyway.
I'm sure quite a bit of this has probably been mentioned in this thread, but interesting video anyway.
You are right...this topic has been discussed. But I really liked the thorough discussion of runway numbers in this video.
The video touches on the fact that runway numbers change due to the changing True North. When I got my pilot's license (1977), the main runway at DCA was 18/36. But sometime in the 1980s it was redesignated as 1/19 because of the shift.
I also liked the discussion of parallel runways. When I started flying, IAD had three runways:
1R/19L
1L/19R
12/30
In the early 2000s, another north/south runway was added to the west of 1L/19R. This new runway was designated 1L/19R and the old 1L/19R (which was now the center runway) was renamed 1C/19C.
(While we're discussing IAD, they also used to have a "STOL runway" which was an 1800' "runway" which had a threshold and endpoint artificially marked on the taxiway. This runway was named 1S/19S and was available on request. This was back in the 70s and 80s and it went away when Dulles finally got to be busy. Instructors would often use it with their students for short field practice.
Dulles was a ghost town back in those days. I know I told the story elsewhere in this thread about having the airport to myself one Saturday morning in 1981. I was in a Grumman Tiger and at 0400 I contacted the only controller on duty. He was handling approach, tower, and ground control freqs. I told the controller "Tiger 74026 request taxi for closed pattern work." The response from the controller is one I never heard before or since: "Tiger 026, you are cleared for any runway you want, for anything that you want, for as long as you want, until further notice."
It was calm so I was dancing from one runway to the next. Low approaches, stop and goes, full stops. I started on 19L and made landings on 1L, 12, 1R, 19R and 30 before the controller called to advise me that Air Florida was on a long straight in approach to 1R and so he asked me to restrict myself to the west side runways. After AF landed, he once again issued the "blank check" clearance.
After parking the plane, the controller invited me up to the tower to watch the sunrise. One of my favorite log book entries.)
LOL
Great story!
