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So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
If I remember right, teachers in texas don't, or at least didn't, pay into social security. They have a state retirement system.
Some teachers have paid in and some haven't. It's like 70/30, but I don't remember which is which. I have been setting my m-i-l up to apply for the social security she hasn't been getting even though she paid into it for like 40 years. She gets state retirement.
Most (many?) teachers (and most Fire Fighters and most Police) don't get social security even though many (all?) have paid into it.
One of the last things passed in the Biden Admin was the Social Security Fairness Act or something like that which will allow teachers to get the social security they paid into going forward with up to one year retroactive. It hasn't been implemented yet.
A quick Google search says 15 states do not have SS for teachers. That ain't most.
You're saying these people pay into the system and get ZERO as a result? They just give their money away? Really? I find that difficult to believe.
While two-thirds of U.S. teachers report receiving a pay raise in the past year, most say their base pay isn’t adequate, according to the 2024 State of the American Teacher survey, an annual gauge conducted by the research group RAND Corp. On average, teachers earned $70,464 in 2023-24, up from $68,409 the prior year.
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning....
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This is heavily skewed thanks to richer liberal states and an aging work force. Your average teacher isn't hitting 70k+ until 15-20 years, or more, of experience.
Starting out wages for Teachers is slightly less than 50k which is quite a bit less than the countries average wage, so you have people with masters degree making next to nothing while getting abuse from all angles and the teacher shortage is actually a crisis.
Annual mean salary top and bottom:
California ($92,960)
New York ($91,290)
Washington ($88,530)
Massachusettes ($82,960)
Connecticut ($80,230)
South Dakota ($49,190)
Mississippi ($49,770)
West Virginia ($50,770
North Carolina ($51,570)
Arkansas ($53,080)
60k, 70k, or whatever you want to draw a baseline at... that can't buy you a home in America, decent vacations, or help you build a savings. You have to mostly depend on your pension in retirement... and you can't collect Social security as a teacher. Most teachers in America barely scrape by. Most jobs don't require the education and training that you need as a teacher. You don't know what you're talking about, as per usual.
Saying that is over paid, is insulting like I said. I can say it 100 ti
The baseline is what everyone else makes. Whether that's enough or not for some arbitrary thresholds you want to use, is irrelevant.
Teachers on average earn very close to the national average. Nominal, gross, per year. But everything else about their job is exceptionall better than average, so their "wage-benefit package" is, on average, WAY ABOVE THE AMERICAN AVERAGE.
My mom btw was a teacher in italy, one of the easiest most pampered jobs that existed, which is why bored women flocked to that sector en masse, the wives trying to bring home a second paycheck when cultural norms changed, using the degree they got just for hobby (95%+ of the times in useless topics that have no real life, market value, in the actual economy).
At least in italy the salary was and is really trash. Benefits are insane (mainly absurd vacations, 3 months in the summer + 20 days on christmast + 1 week on easter), but the pay is low.
As usual this conversation exists only because of leftism. In a real market economy teachers would be employees of competing firms, and then their salaries, whatever they would be, would be the correct one, becase the only correct way to judge the economic value of anything is finding the price the market clears at between supply and demand in a given moment in time. Everything else is intellectual masturbation.
This is heavily skewed thanks to richer liberal states and an aging work force. Your average teacher isn't hitting 70k+ until 15-20 years, or more, of experience.
Starting out wages for Teachers is slightly less than 50k which is quite a bit less than the countries average wage, so you have people with masters degree making next to nothing while getting abuse from all angles and the teacher shortage is actually a crisis.
Annual mean salary top and bottom:
California ($92,960)
New York ($91,290)
Wa
I have a friend who is a teacher with a MastersDegree and 27 years of teaching experience. I have another friend who has been in the restaurant industry his entire life and barely made it through high school. The restaurant friend is a manager at a hospital cafeteria and makes 110% of what the teacher friend makes. And he didn't have to pay lots of $$$ for tuition.
If I remember right, teachers in texas don't, or at least didn't, pay into social security. They have a state retirement system.
Correct... no teachers get social security, unless you worked in the private industry before or after being a teacher. Some states w/o pensions allow for SS... but states with pension plans are better.
this potential objection is why i wrote "at least in the areas and in the roles"...
I 100% agree it's a scam to pay "police" administrative workers anything more than you pay everyone else in administrative roles (or to allow them to retire sooner and so on).
But people in the field risk more than normal jobs and that should be accounted for in pay.
Or, you know, not. Pay should be what clears the market. Offer growing salaries until you fill all positions.
A quick Google search says 15 states do not have SS for teachers. That ain't most.
You're saying these people pay into the system and get ZERO as a result? They just give their money away? Really? I find that difficult to believe.
Idgaf what you believe. I said (many?) after the most, moron, so **** off with the "that ain't most".
Did they pay? Did they get nothing? I don't know all the details, but they didn't all get what they paid in for and that's why there's this law. Read it yourself if you want the details.
This is heavily skewed thanks to richer liberal states and an aging work force. Your average teacher isn't hitting 70k+ until 15-20 years, or more, of experience.
Starting out wages for Teachers is slightly less than 50k which is quite a bit less than the countries average wage, so you have people with masters degree making next to nothing while getting abuse from all angles and the teacher shortage is actually a crisis.
Annual mean salary top and bottom:
California ($92,960)
New York ($91,290)
Wa
Correct... and you're not making that much to start. You're making sht for many years while you sub and hope you can get into a FT position. I have teacher friends that could never get a FT job, even thought they had all the qualifications and subbed for years.
I have a friend who is a teacher with a MastersDegree and 27 years of teaching experience. I have another friend who has been in the restaurant industry his entire life and barely made it through high school. The restaurant friend is a manager at a hospital cafeteria and makes 110% of what the teacher friend makes. And he didn't have to pay lots of $$$ for tuition.
and?
Correct... no teachers get social security, unless you worked in the private industry before or after being a teacher.
So instead of giving that $$$ to the government in the form of SS tax, these employees could keep that money and invest it in retirement accounts as they saw fit? Sounds like a "win" for these employees to me.
Idgaf what you believe. I said (many?) after the most, moron, so **** off with the "that ain't most".
Did they pay? Did they get nothing? I don't know all the details, but they didn't all get what they paid in for and that's why there's this law. Read it yourself if you want the details.
those states don't pay payroll taxes to SS, the teachers don't out of their paycheck either, and so they don't get SS.
I don't know why you are angry about it, SS was created to give pensions to private employees given public ones already had one
those states don't pay payroll taxes to SS, the teachers don't out of their paycheck either, and so they don't get SS.
I don't know why you are angry about it, SS was created to give pensions to private employees given public ones already had one
A little poetry for you:
They don't now, but some have in the past.
Why do you always talk out of your ass?
No. You are just making things up. Some retired people paid into SS during their careers and haven't gotten money out...so far.
Some retired people paid into SS in other jobs, then became teachers, didn't pay SS as teachers, then retired.
In those states where teachers (and some other public employees) aren't part of SS, the state just has to guarantee SS-levels of pensions.
So basically the state sees you have already paid something into SS and adds just the minimum necessary to follow the previous law, and that's your retirement. It was the state ****ing with you but if that wasn't acceptable for you, you could have taken other jobs ffs. It was transparent and clear if you can read and do basic arithmetic (which you should as a teacher).
Now with the law you linked, they basically double dip, on the SS they paid into (which they would have got anyway), and the "non-SS covered part" which gets increased basically
So instead of giving that $$$ to the government in the form of SS tax, these employees could keep that money and invest it in retirement accounts as they saw fit? Sounds like a "win" for these employees to me.
And I stand corrected... some states do pay SS. My wife doesn't in our state.
But yes, the problem is people don't do that, and they don't end up saving. That's why SS was invented to begin with. It was to solve the fact that over HALF of the US population was homeless and broke in their elderly years.
And I stand corrected... some states do pay SS. My wife doesn't in our state.
But yes, the problem is people don't do that, and they don't end up saving. That's why SS was invented to begin with. It was to solve the fact that over HALF of the US population was homeless and broke in their elderly years.
you have a model of reality that is more deranged than the Q-anon crowd. The claim in bold is particularly insane
Some retired people paid into SS in other jobs, then became teachers, didn't pay SS as teachers, then retired.
In those states where teachers (and some other public employees) aren't part of SS, the state just has to guarantee SS-levels of pensions.
So basically the state sees you have already paid something into SS and adds just the minimum necessary to follow the previous law, and that's your retirement. It was the state ****ing with you but if that wasn't acceptable for you, you could have tak
Eh, you might be right. My m-i-law may have some SS covered work that she's not getting SS from now.
I'm not a teacher though, maybe you should read better too.
when i told you guys some republicans are actually marxists, this is what i meant
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You kept saying "you", which I now take it you meant as "one", which is fine, but you were posting at me.
I thought generic normative sentences related to "any one random person" were to be addressed with "you" in english.
Like i could say "if you want to become president you need to win primaries" even if evidently you weren't asking me about becoming president yourself
