Donald J. Trump (For everyone else except Victor)

Donald J. Trump (For everyone else except Victor)

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by bahbahmickey k

CNN and wsj. It seems like he’s getting vilified for cutting spending, accessing govt data and being a big ol’ meany for making govt employees go back to work.

WSJ lol

CNN is run by conservatives now. I'm sure you know that.

And no. It doesn't. That's a hilariously skewed vision. People are upset because he has been given authority with no election and no oversight. He has no oversight at all. And he hasn't shown anything resembling good judgement - including tons of conflicts of interest.

And that's putting it VERY lightly.

Since you like CNN, start here, I guess:


by Gorgonian k

CNN is run by conservatives now. I'm sure you know that.

I guess their endless anti-conservative talking points are to continue getting viewership and money from libtards. Genius 4dchess.


Your guesses are very valuable.



by Gorgonian k

It's hysterical that you guys have cause and effect exactly backwards on this one. Education (not indoctrination) produces liberals, not the other way around.

Indoctrination is a mind-limiting experience. Conservatism is, by definition, limiting. Liberalism is the opposite. It's crazy none of you understand that.

I absolutely believe that you believe this.

The question is what, specifically, do you think occurs inside of a liberal classroom that can't be replicated out in the "real world" once these freshly minted liberals are released on society?


by Rococo k

At this point, education is a reasonably strong indicator of how someone will vote. States with the lowest percentages of voters with college degrees generally go MAGA. States with opposite demographics generally go blue.

I can only imagine how this phenomenon translates into policy in Trump's mind.

The uninformed vote MAGA. Those who are informed don't. Simple.


by Luciom k

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...

Trump wants to end carried interest and tax exemption for franchise sport owners.

If he does both that's a bigger blow against billionaires than anything democrats did in the last decades lol.

I can see the sport thing as they are mostly democrat donors, but i thought finance billionaires were mostly republican donors... what am i missing?

Revenge and leverage... he threatened this in his last administration and it went nowhere.

Hope he does it though. I'd give it a .0042% chance.


by Luciom k

Daniel Negreanu
@RealKidPoker
Forget for a moment your political views and imagine politics is a game played by two teams.

The goal is to win over the public, taking positions that are popular with voters.

Strategically speaking, one team is consistently on the unpopular side of every issue and have an all time low approval rating.

Yet, they are not adjusting, they are doubling down on a provably losing strategy, making it easy for the other team to rack up wins.

In my lifetime, I don’t think the

Daniel is a Canadian that knows very little about American politics. I know he's posted random democratic support over the years. But he's way off on this, because that's not what's happening.

Democrats have wildly popular positions, but they've always been historically outgunned.

Universal health care, paid family leave, gun control, LGBTQ+ Rights, reproductive rights, environmental protections, income inequality, education, criminal justice reform... just to name a few. All of these have support of at least 60%+ of Americans. Many of these issues, 80%+.

Republicans have been the opposition to these issues... but they've won on almost all of them.

That's really the issue.... if you have the people's support, why can't you get these issues done? You can take your guesses, but it should be obvious.


by Inso0 k

I absolutely believe that you believe this.

The question is what, specifically, do you think occurs inside of a college classroom that can't be replicated out in the "real world" once these freshly minted graduates are released on society?

Fyp then answered

Education, obviously, but mostly exposure to people that aren't exactly like you. College allows people to see that xenophobia is gross by learning that other cultures and races are people just like you. And policies that hurt them $@&&@% suck.


Lol



by FreakDaddy k

Daniel is a Canadian.

he is also an American and has lived in America for ~30 years.

didn't read the rest of your post.


by housenuts k

he is also an American and has lived in America for ~30 years.

didn't read the rest of your post.

I guess he did get dual citizenship a few years back. Good for him.. I joked w/ him about this a long time back. I wasn't aware he finally did it.


by FreakDaddy k

I guess he did get dual citizenship a few years back. Good for him.. I joked w/ him about this a long time back. I wasn't aware he finally did it.

tbf the rest of your post was the important part and it was correct.


by Gorgonian k

Fyp then answered

Education, obviously, but mostly exposure to people that aren't exactly like you. College allows people to see that xenophobia is gross by learning that other cultures and races are people just like you. And policies that hurt them $@&&@% suck.

Okay, so we're back to everyone being xenophobic, so the liberals just shrug their shoulders and say, "Welp, nothing we can do!"

Of course, this completely ignores the fact that most people out in the real world spent at least 12 years of their lives living and learning alongside people who weren't exactly like them. It's just those specific 4 years at the university that really opens peoples' minds to the path of the righteous.

People have friends and coworkers from different cultural and ethnic backgrounds, too.

Do you realize how stupid you sound right now?

Meanwhile, conservatives on college campuses are treated like hostile foreign invaders, to be resisted at all costs.

So again I'll ask what, specifically, happens inside a college classroom that creates an army of liberals who can't convert the ignorant deplorables once they're done with their training? It sounds to me like 4+ years of intense and narrowly focused rhetoric, delivered within an isolated environment is what's actually necessary to turn someone into a liberal. Who is the brainwashed one again?


by Luciom k

Lol

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by Inso0 k

Okay, so we're back to everyone being xenophobic, so the liberals just shrug their shoulders and say, "Welp, nothing we can do!"

No, that's not an accurate description at all. Everything the left tries to do to fix this is responded to with actual vitriol and opposed as if it were death itself.

by Inso0 k

Of course, this completely ignores the fact that most people out in the real world spent at least 12 years of their lives living and learning alongside people who weren't exactly like them. It's just those specific 4 years at the university that really opens peoples' minds to the path of the righteous.

No, they absolutely do not.

by Inso0 k

People have friends and coworkers from different cultural and ethnic backgrounds, too.

Nothing like in college. You definitely sound like you've never been.

by Inso0 k

Do you realize how stupid you sound right now?

I realize I sound a hell of a lot smarter than you do.

by Inso0 k

Meanwhile, conservatives on college campuses are treated like hostile foreign invaders, to be resisted at all costs.

Just lies. Bigots on college campuses, maybe. Not conservatives.

by Inso0 k

So again I'll ask what, specifically, happens inside a college classroom that creates an army of liberals who can't convert the ignorant deplorables once they're done with their training? It sounds to me like 4+ years of intense and narrowly focused rhetoric, delivered within an isolated environment is what's actually necessary to turn someone into a liberal. Who is the brainwashed one again?

I think we're done here. Your post is a fantastic illustration of my point.


by Gorgonian k

tbf the rest of your post was the important part and it was correct.

The personally interesting thing to me is, we can talk about all of these political issues until we're all blue in the face. The real work to positive change for all needs to happen in the individual, and it needs to begin by understanding the cycles of human nature individually, and collectively.

I got my degree in philosophy, so it's something I contemplate all the time. Sometimes I wish I could turn that part of my brain off. 😀

Without getting too deep... anyone familiar w/ the oldest book on politics? Plato's Republic... because just about all of it is already in there.

Simple 3 min example from someone explaining where we are, over 2.5k years ago:


"Nuh uh." - Gorgorian, 2025

You just go ahead and keep on blaming xenophobia for installing a new government with record-setting support from minorities who are defecting from the left after many many decades of incompetence from liberal leaders.

Self-reflection is for people who might possibly have something to reflect upon and change, not the great Gorgorian.

Keep pretending that the most diverse country on the planet can only expose its people to diversity within the ivy-clad walls of university buildings.

We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!


by Inso0 k

"Nuh uh." - Gorgorian, 2025

You just go ahead and keep on blaming xenophobia for installing a new government with record-setting support from minorities who are defecting from the left after many many decades of incompetence from liberal leaders.

Self-reflection is for people who might possibly have something to reflect upon and change, not the great Gorgorian.

Keep pretending that the most diverse country on the planet can only expose its people to diversity within the ivy-clad walls of university

Well... he's not far off, because the problem is FEAR (of the unknown). As Plato states, the longer a democracy last, the more diverse and free it becomes.... which scares some people.

In other words, we're caught in a cycle of human nature that we've been repeating for generations, and unless we actually attempt to address the underlying issues, we'll just keep repeating this cycle.

The problem of course is that this fear is so ingrained in our base level survival instincts, that it really takes a significant individual paradigm shift for change to occur. We don't ever talk about what the actually entails, and what the benefits are.

So we'll just keep swatting the fly's on the wall, while we're surrounded by sht.


by FreakDaddy k

Simple 3 min example from someone explaining where we are, over 2.5k years ago:

Except instead of actually having democracy you have a pseudo-democracy and thus instead of an actual would be tyrant we get a pseudo-tyrant.

Plato couldn't have foreseen the effects of technology and mass media propaganda.


by Inso0 k

"Nuh uh." - Gorgorian, 2025

You just go ahead and keep on blaming xenophobia for installing a new government with record-setting support from minorities who are defecting from the left after many many decades of incompetence from liberal leaders.

Self-reflection is for people who might possibly have something to reflect upon and change, not the great Gorgorian.

Keep pretending that the most diverse country on the planet can only expose its people to diversity within the ivy-clad walls of university

In the first place, Hispanics voted for Harris by a 24 point margin.

All USAians except for Native Americans are immigrants. So, for one, it's not surprising that Hispanics, like other immigrants, would do something like regression towards the mean and as they get generations away from being immigrants themselves they vote more like the average USAian. For two, minorities can very easily be xenophobic *******s too. A quarter of Hispanics in the USA speak little or no Spanish. Some of them don't like hearing "press 2 for Spanish" anymore than you do.


OR, and hear me out on this, we can just get people to make sure their kids go to school and display even a hint of respect toward authority figures. Then, once their brains are filled with basic human knowledge, we send them out into the world to create goods, provide services, and develop new ideas and technologies.

Bold approach, I know, but I think it just might work.

Our current strategy of large swaths of the country doing none of those things and instead simply waiting for someone else to clothe, feed, and house them just doesn't seem to be working. Worse still are the ones who spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to go sit in a classroom and be indoctrinated by salty liberals and then somehow come out the other end with the inability to feed, clothe, or house themselves and a shitty, entitled attitude toward people who took a more self-sufficient approach to life.

"But entry level tradeskill jobs don't pay enough for me to afford my $4,000/mo student loan repayment!"

Well, Ashleigh, maybe you should've thought about that before spending $300k on a humanities degree. Now take out all of those face piercings and go get yourself a job.


by microbet k

In the first place, Hispanics voted for Harris by a 24 point margin.

All USAians except for Native Americans are immigrants

Probably not so much the 2nd and 3rd wave natives like the Na-Dene and Eskimos.


by Inso0 k

Well, Ashleigh, maybe you should've thought about that before spending $300k on a humanities degree. Now take out all of those face piercings and go get yourself a job.

you okay, hon?


by Inso0 k

"Nuh uh." - Gorgorian, 2025

Not a fair representation of my post. Intellectual dishonesty. I'm shocked

by Inso0 k

You just go ahead and keep on blaming xenophobia for installing a new government with record-setting support from minorities who are defecting from the left after many many decades of incompetence from liberal leaders.

More intellectual dishonesty. Nowhere did I do that.

by Inso0 k

Self-reflection is for people who might possibly have something to reflect upon and change, not the great Gorgorian.

What does this have to do with me? Why would I need to do self-reflection here? Did you think I did anything to cause this? Is there any evidence I did?

by Inso0 k

Keep pretending that the most diverse country on the planet can only expose its people to diversity within the ivy-clad walls of university buildings.

Keep tossing up straw men to defeat. Putting your intellectual dishonesty on display furthers my point.

by Inso0 k

We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!

Sounds about right.


by microbet k

In the first place, Hispanics voted for Harris by a 24 point margin.

Which is much lower than is typical.

I don't understand this whole "Hispanics are racist toward themselves" mantra that liberals keep pushing.

Instead, I think it says a lot about the underlying claim that any American is racist, as opposed to simply not wanting illegal immigrants to come in droves.


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