Moderation Questions for Whiners

please eat well and exercise, so you can be useful for society, if we ever accept the idea that people like you, legally, should only have one very specific destination .

in the meanwhile, please eat well and exercise, keep your organs healthy

Please keep your df advice to yourself. I couldn't give two squirts what you think of me, df.

If you support Dems and vote Dem and support Israel and support proxy wars in Syria and Ukraine then no, you are not leftist or appreciably left of the forum.

Gorgeous, what socialist or radical literature have you read? What current leftists shape your worldview?

I know you don't care but there is only one way you will ever be useful for society, so keep your organs healthy

That's one more way than you will ever be useful, chief.

I think The Colonel is going to catch a ban before he gets his horoscope done.

are you a good astrologist? you could horoscope me

You are an angry man, not sure where to place the blame, so lashes out at every perceived slight. Read a book once and think you know a lot. Never met a topic you weren't an expert on or could bend to mean something no one has a clue what you are talking about. You go to bed each night confident that you have taken whatever small steps you could toward saving the world. Someone has to do it, right?

I could be wrong because these political terms in the last 10 years has been completely swapped for argumentative purposes but I don't think any of those things are some needed attribute to be considered a lefty today - which is just idiotic in its own right to even be discussing this. I half hazardly mentioned your name because liberals today seem to be firmly tribalistic in their political affiliations and opinions and tend to often be a bit more judgmental towards folks outside of that cabal. But now I'm just doing the same **** by judging you. I would also argue that you aren't anti military or even anti cap as much as you may think you are.

You have lefties, like Microbet, who is a staunch believer of individual choice who is mostly a pro capitalist, while a polar opposite self proclaimed lefty is a rabid anti cap who is willing to completely remove individual freedoms with violence to remove that system in the belief the alternative will be better. That isn't a group aligned with similar political beliefs, but instead appears to share opinions, which are often dissimilar from other lefties, but share a similar conclusion that things need to change.

I would not advise arguing with me about how anti military or anti capitalist I am. I shouldn't have to tell you only one of the two of us can even possibly know the answer to that.

I am exactly as anti military and anti capitalist as I think I am. Quite by definiton.

And you can decide to call me whatever you want on whatever spectrum you want, but I can assure you I am quite a bit to the left "liberals."

I an really angry at power yes. I am very laser focused on whom to give the blame though.

I know there are a lot of topics I know very little about: that's all the topics I don't touch (sports for example and a lot of other stuff).

I often met topics I didn't feel an expert about and I went with the most reasonable heuristic: everyone who uses anything to ask for more socialism is absolutely always wrong completely.

I go to bed depending on nights , my "social" sphere matters very little, the vast majority of my life efforts are about making it better for myself, my family, and my friends, and almost nothing else matters almost always.

so if I can fix a problem by daughter had in school with some ******ed communist teachers that's a win for that day, stuff like that

Yep, I approve. I don't work in finance and I'm not an econ major but I do have a degree in finance and I do have a brokerage account.

I tend to see people make rather strong economic or financial suggestions, usually through a particular poltical or ideolical framework and sometimes double down on those particular opinions to make their politcal case. I think a lot of people make claims in that area that aren't well thought out for said reasons and I'd personally like them to either explain them in more detail to either shed light that they might not know the situation at hand, or to lead them to specificy with a little more accuracy, their acatually politcal beliefs.

Luciom, dude, take a few breaths

You probably can guess because you've heard me say it before.

I sometimes have wondered whether you have edge-lordish tendencies, but I don't think so. I think you are a legitimate European right-wing extremist. (I am uninterested in debating whether you meet the dictionary definition of a fascist.) In fact, I suspect that if I travelled to some of the right-wing internet gutters that you probably frequent, I would find content from you that is far more incendiary than anything that you are willing to say here. Some of your views reflect a moral depravity that is unmatched by any other regular here. You think of yourself as a cultural chauvinist rather than a racist or a xenophobe. That might be accurate, but it leads you to many of the same places. You are quite unrealistic about what Luciomtopia would actually look like.

You aren't stupid or ignorant, but on the other hand, you also aren't the intellectual you believe yourself to be.

I mostly agree with this.

Just responding on this to elaborate stuff I'm sure I've said before. I'm pro-free-enterprise. People should be able to choose what to do for the most part and that includes working, hiring, buying and selling stuff and if all parties agree, then who is anyone else to stand in the way?

But, there are other things that impact what I think is right and fair in regards to enterprise. First, there's no right to own unimproved resources like land or rivers or the air. Morally, everyone should own it all in common, but I think the good that is done by recognizing some ownership of natural resources is worth what is really a theft from everyone whenever anyone monopolizes anything that was just there with no help from any humans. But that's just a compromise and doesn't mean I respect the right to monopolize anything like an unlimited amount of natural resources. Also, Capitalism gets used to mean a lot of things. I don't think corporations are fair or right or should be respected either. The notion of a fictional entity absolving people of the responsibility for the actions of collective groups they are a part of, is not fair at all. It's another thing that may be allowed if it is clearly necessary - which it may well be - but regulating the **** out of corporations is totally something that should be done.

Nah, I don't support genocide. So I can't be a liberal.

good point

i agree I wrote stuff elsewhere (I clouding on Twitter) which would be Autoban here (mostly about race and genetics in general), but in most right-wing extremist hellholes I am actually the kind of person who gets piled one by people who are far far more extremist than me.

I got death threats discussing Brexit in 2016 (I wasn't in favor). I got death threats discussing COVID ( I was against every government limitation of freedom, many actually right-wing extremists where in favor with very violent containment).

"normal" actual extremists dont consider non-white people worthy of having ANY role at all in society in Europe, that is what I am faced with daily.

for anyone ACTUALLY right-wing (in Europe), if you aren't of European ancestry you aren't even human, you shouldn't exist, you shouldn't be allowed to enter Europe. I am not like that. I don't blame you for failing to measure extremism because you probably don't know, but actual extremism is "everyone not of European ancestry deserves death or at the very least, no place ever in our societies" . that's what I face every single day (in real life as well).

I am a moderate compared to that.

I am sad I didn't convey the whole structure of my thought so that you think my "topia" isn't something feasible and pragmatically compatible with current society with some modifications, but I do understand I might have language or intellectual barriers.

I do accept the moral depravity theme. I am willing to explicitly tell what's necessary to get what we want from the right and that entails a lot of thing that most people aren't willing to admit explicitly (even if they vote for it ). some things we need to do would cause the death and suffering of a lot of people

I will call you a lefty or whatever you prefer out of respect.

My point is that I am not a fan of labelling 400 million people in the US into groups like a sportsball division and I think that has played a part in the problems we have today. But since we were all throwing out labels, i think the "libs" tend to have too much of a problem with folks that are one inch to the right or too far to the left of a particular, well mutually agreed upon ideal and I don't think that is a good strategy when you are the best situated to win an election - especially when people who both on the right and left have posited good ideas.

I thought I put a question mark at the end of that sentence and don't like that I didn't especially for such a broad term. I have definitely been way to kind in defending what capitalism currently is simply because of the conversations surrounding the outright abolishment of it with some, in my opinion, rather weak suggestions on how to do it or what to replace it with. I get when its a company's job to make every penny, but it's the govts job to tax them as much as needed while also preventing them raping the resources while purposefully maximizing the barriers of entry of their competition - and we aren't handling that right. But the system has had and still has the potential mechanism to improve the lives of a lot of people.

Gorgo, you are welcome here in the USA anytime as long as you agree to attend all immigration hearings for the Colonial if he ever tries to move here.

roc, i think you're pretty accurate in not just your takes on me but everyone else

i'm curious if you're playing by ear or actually clicking post history first because it's rather impressive how much you're able to remember about each person

rococo's modern life is a sharp lad.