Moderation Questions
Moderation Questions
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Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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by Victor m

I change my mind all the time

So, USA#1?


by mongidig m

I agree. Everybody has chosen their side and nothing is gonna change their mind.

It's telling that you think that.


by Victor m

I agree that we should be able to speak our minds

I know how you feel and you know how I feel. Why can't we voice how we really feel about what each other say's? It's very strange how a person would think everybody in the I/P thread should get along. This conflict has been going on for many years and it's not pretty. The conversation in the I/P thread should mirror what is going on in reality. It's a big waste of time having a watered down highly moderated version of real life.


by Gorgonian m

It's telling that you think that.

What's it telling you?


by mongidig m

What's it telling you?

That you won't change your mind no matter what facts are presented. You projecting it on to others is not surprising.


by Gorgonian m

That you won't change your mind no matter what facts are presented.

I change my mind all the time.


by Didace m

So, USA#1?

trending the opposite direction. but you never know! Trump's incompetence may bump us back up a few spots at this rate.


by mongidig m

I change my mind all the time.

k


by BOIDS m

What's the latest mod policy in the i/p thread? Do i still have to pretend that posters [redacted], [redacted] and [redacted] aren't antisemitic?

If you're unable to tell criticism of the Israeli government and criticism of Jewish people apart and keep conflating the two that makes you the anti-Semitic one according to how it's defined.


by mongidig m

That's what I want to know. Do we still have to walk on eggshells and hope someone isn't having a bad day? Most importantly can we have fair and consistent modding that is appropriate for a very emotional thread? I'd like to point out that since the recent MOD replacement the discussion has become smoother and as far as I can see nobodies feelings have been hurt.

Here's a good rule of thumb. If you have a burning need to figure out exactly where the line is so you can tiptoe as close to it as possible, you have a problem.


by Rococo m

Here's a good rule of thumb. If you have a burning need to figure out exactly where the line is so you can tiptoe as close to it as possible, you have a problem.

If this was about insulting people, or going ad hominem, i would agree.

When this is about "which political content that is legal in my country is illegal here" i don't think there is any problem in the person trying to understand how much he can discuss political stuff he cares about (and which parties do campaign over!)


by Luciom m

If this was about insulting people, or going ad hominem, i would agree.

It mostly is


by Rococo m

It mostly is

Not for me and i got accused multiple times by mods of that, because i get "too dangerously" close to "racism" or "transphobia" and so on (again, we are talking campaign points of actual parties, stuff elected politicians or candidates say)


by Rococo m

Here's a good rule of thumb. If you have a burning need to figure out exactly where the line is so you can tiptoe as close to it as possible, you have a problem.

the line is different for everyone.


by Luciom m

If this was about insulting people, or going ad hominem, i would agree.

When this is about "which political content that is legal in my country is illegal here" i don't think there is any problem in the person trying to understand how much he can discuss political stuff he cares about (and which parties do campaign over!)

Nothing you've said is remotely close to illegal, at least in the USA. I think people who want you banned want it because they think your opinions are vile.


by Luciom m

Not for me and i got accused multiple times by mods of that, because i get "too dangerously" close to "racism" or "transphobia" and so on (again, we are talking campaign points of actual parties, stuff elected politicians or candidates say)

Luciom predictably in with the I should be able to voice fascist opinions as they're the policies of actual parties now. Why don't you just come out and give us a taste of whatever it is you obviously want to say?


by Luciom m

Not for me and i got accused multiple times by mods of that, because i get "too dangerously" close to "racism" or "transphobia" and so on (again, we are talking campaign points of actual parties, stuff elected politicians or candidates say)

You are probably an exception. You don't care much about insulting people, and I know that you would like detailed guidance on how much advocacy of violence, race science, etc., the mods will tolerate.


by microbet m

Nothing you've said is remotely close to illegal, at least in the USA. I think people who want you banned want it because they think your opinions are vile.

Correct. Legality has nothing to do with it.


by Victor m

the line is different for everyone.

It is certainly true that people have complained for years that you have been treated with kid gloves. (I don't necessarily agree. I'm just noting that this has been a consistent complaint.)


by Rococo m

You are probably an exception. You don't care much about insulting people, and I know that you would like detailed guidance on how much advocacy of violence, race science, etc., the mods will tolerate.

Yet when he does choose to hurl insults at people, telling them, for instance, the only way they will ever be useful to...r and that anything that eliminates people like the..., those posts stay up.

He has nothing to complain about.


by Rococo m

Here's a good rule of thumb. If you have a burning need to figure out exactly where the line is so you can tiptoe as close to it as possible, you have a problem.

My point is I don't want to have to do any tip toeing. I simply want to speak my mind. I have no intent on attacking or hurting anybody. I just don't want to be getting used to what is acceptable by the new MOD and then one day the old MOD say's they are back and starts banning people.


by Rococo m

and I know that you would like detailed guidance on how much advocacy of violence, race science, etc., the mods will tolerate.

From Luc,,,, VERY little is acceptable.

Yet... Luc, you must absolutely see that your racists posts seem to avoid deletion MORE than others. Perhaps the mods need to have you check your privilege at the door.

There is no line to straddle for you Luc. Lifetime Achievement Award.


mong.... it will always be that way.


by King Spew m

From Luc,,,, VERY little is acceptable.

Yet... Luc, you must absolutely see that your racists posts seem to avoid deletion MORE than others. Perhaps the mods need to have you check your privilege at the door.

There is no line to straddle for you Luc. Lifetime Achievement Award.

Let me ask you this: the american VP just went to Europe to make a speech, how can it make sense for an american political forum not to be allowed to discuss the content of his speech with all it's ramifications, and to endorse it in full or in part?

Vance said various things, among them he criticized immigration policies into the EU very harshly. How is it possible that i cannot elaborate on why i agree with him , with AfD, and the reasons in detail? it's a fundamental political topic of our era.

Yet i am not doing it because it's impossible to do it properly in this forum without getting banned.


by Brian James m

I don't know. You could try making a post or two with some actual content for a change instead of sniping about how other people post.

Just a thought.

I've made half a dozen posts with content in the last couple of weeks. My reluctance to post is due to a few reasons. First, I'm not on here enough clicking refresh to sustain a decent conversation. Second, I'm no expert in most of what we're discussing and don't feel like debating with someone who believes they're an expert when they're not. Third, I have no interest in talking to someone who cannot admit they're wrong. The bad thing about this forum is it's full of these types of posters.

I get a lot of value from this forum as it's a good slice of many different viewpoints and there are a few posters here worth listening to. I stopped reading X when Trump won and realized I should have when Musk purchased it. The "For you" is hot garbage and my curated list was an echo chamber of my views so wasn't beneficial to learning.

What everyone needs to do, on both sides, is question everything that you read and hear and get the **** out of your echo chamber of news, wherever it comes from. Right now the MAGA folks are suffering the worst as Trump and Musk are known to lie yet there are thousands of people out there, including a half a dozen people here, that suck up everything they say without question. It's also happening on the left if you feel like you want to "both sides" me. I am directly affected (effected?) by this **** Musk is doing and it's causing huge stress in my personal life. Anyone who thinks he's going about this in any sort of responsible manner needs to take a step back and think about what the real goal is.

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