GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Rodman teamed up with the league MVP David Robinson and got annihilated - Rodman won nothing alongside the league MVP and people blamed Rodman - he was a cancer that Jordan saved - what a lifeline.
Wow, that's disappointing.
You're a product of the NBA/Media spin that the NBA set up at the time.
You think you'd understand it being that you're all over the NBA rig that's going on with LeBron.
Oh, and the owners. SAS giving him up for nothing.
In on the rig.
Do you think the NBA pays them money, or they just go along because everyone wants MJ to win?
Spurs won 3 less games the following season. Same as when MJ left the Bulls.
Big fall from grace as you keep saying.
Then they won 20 games the next year.
Talk about the wheels falling off.
At least Jordan won the titles he was handed, while Lebron just lost for 5 straight years with rich man's Pippen..
He also failed to win 60 with prime Kyrie/Love and has the goat choke and record loss with Kobe/Pau II (Wade/Bosh).
This is nowhere near the best we've ever seen and I think it's correct to question it's top 10 viability.
That’s your problem .
Only Lebron doesn’t deserve a pass because of some failure even tho other top 10 have even bigger missteps but -> it’s ok for them …
Look on the bright side fallguy, it's way less likely that you'll get permabanned again sporting such a fine undertitle.
The Cavs were the only team with 3 franchise players and their roster was equal to the Warriors overall - we can go through man for man - it's equal.. Lebron just stinks, so he lost by record amount with 2 "pippens", while Jordan would be 82-0 if he had a 2nd star.Lebron lost by record amount to the Warriors, so anyone would do better, including the 18' Celtics... AD won a game
Ok again lets facts check ….
2017:
Lebron is not top 10 , like KD . -> lets say that year both are a wash ranking .
Curry is in your opinion top 10 of course .
And Lebron (not top 10) got 2 AS -> Kyrie and love .
Now u say cavs are equally strong with a non top 10 player with only 2 all stars beating the warriors with :
In his prime top 10 curry being nba2 mvp6
KD has strong has LeBron being nba2 mvp 9
Klay an all star
Greene nba3 and the defense player of year .
Not mentioning LeBron barely beat them last year(record win in reg season) with one of the biggest upset ever without a player that is as strong as LeBron being KD (being regard at that time around the second best player in the league ) in 2017 .
Are u stupid or something ?
I’m what reality you live to believe a non top 10 with 2 AS could beat :
A prime top 10 player joining with the second best best player in the league with another all star and the dpoy ?
I forgot , the 6moy2 as well was with warriors …
Ps:
https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/nba-ma...
The warriors pre final 2017 were at -300 lol ..
Yes that sound about equal , smh ….
I mean if you thought Lebron was the goat I guess it could be possible a little bit what you think is true to believe Lebron is not a top 10 player but his team could of beat those warriors -> not being a top , LOL
Congrats FG for being the LeBron of the thread.I take Kareem's spot.Candybar with Pippen's spotMullen takes MJ's spot
What a privilege. This thread has gotta be the greatest in 2+2 history
It certainly deserves a chapter in the next DSM.
Oh, and the owners. SAS giving him up for nothing.
In on the rig.
Do you think the NBA pays them money, or they just go along because everyone wants MJ to win?
You weren't there.. Rodman was considered a cancer and people wanted him out of the league - the Spurs wanted to get rid of him at all costs, and Houston gave Pippen away for nothing as well... But back to Rodman - you obviously never saw his antics... He actually kept it up in Chicago, like when he headbutted the ref, or kicked the camera man in the nuts and f'd him up, and other stuff.. But MJ wasn't a softy like Robinson and could still win with many distractions.
Otoh, Lebron could never play with Rodman because Rodman forces teams to play 4 on 5 and the 1st option must carry the scoring load - we know that Lebron cannot carry the scoring load against top teams or on the championship level (Finals).
That’s your problem .
Only Lebron doesn’t deserve a pass because of some failure even tho other top 10 have even bigger missteps but -> it’s ok for them …
it is ARGUABLE that:
- Lebron isn't a top 10 scorer of all-time
- Lebron ranks 24th in career APG and isn't a top 10 passer of all-time
- Lebron isn't a top 10 perimeter defender of all-time (9 perimeter players won DPOY) - only 5 all-defense in 23 seasons
- Lebron isn't a top 10 rebounder of all-time
- Lebron's winning/title frequency isn't top 10 all-time and easily the worst of any top 10 candidate
- Lebron's chemistry, teammate development and brand of ball isn't top 10 all-time
- Lebron is not top 10 all-time
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Look on the bright side fallguy, it's way less likely that you'll get permabanned again sporting such a fine undertitle.
Oh that's a nice touch - sort of proves that the mods did infact modify and even completely fabricate my posts that they used to start the thread.. Thanks for pointing that evidence out.. Obviously, that undertitle wasn't put there by me
That’s your problem .
Only Lebron doesn’t deserve a pass because of some failure even tho other top 10 have even bigger missteps but -> it’s ok for them …
Things Lebron did that are worse than anyone else ever did:
* #1 all-time in turnovers and missed shots
* worst-ever championship record (4-6 or 22-33)
* record losses in 2014, 2017, and 2018
* goat choke in 2011 Finals
* worst-ever futility and efficiency on game-winners in the Finals (0-7) - never scored on the last possession of a 1-possession Finals game
* the only 65+ win team in history to not reach at least Game 7 of conference finals was the 09' Cavs, who were one of the 10 biggest favorites to ever lose a playoff series (-700)
* worst-ever shooting and ball control, i.e. 35% and 6 TO's in the 07' Finals and 08' ECSF - these were the first 2 chokes of his career because Kobe and Amare dominated the Spurs at the same age, while MJ and Magic dominated the Celtics at the same age as 08' Lebron.
* missed play-in with 3 top 75 teammates in 2022 (widely-regarded as the biggest underachievement of a roster ever)
* worst brand of ball ever that increases' teammates spot-up shooter and assisted rate, which lowers their assists and causes low-assist teams (low assist teams are the Achilles heel of Lebron's skillset because he had deficits in team assists for every series loss of his career)
Not mentioning LeBron barely beat them last year(record win in reg season) with one of the biggest upset ever
Preseason odds or odds for a series are useless if you're just looking at one instance - the reason that I use preseason odds is because there's a large sample and trend... i.e. Lebron had 6 straight preseason favorites, while no one else in history had more than 3 - this is great evidence that Lebron had the most help ever..
Furthermore, there's a clear trend where Lebron's team starts as the preseason favorite but falls to underdog once the season starts and by the time the Finals roll around... This shows that Lebron's teams have the best on-paper talent before the season starts, but bad brand and chemistry craters the favored talent to underdog..
This is why Lebron wasn't a true underdog in the 2016 Finals, or any of the Finals from 2011 to 2016 - he started as the preseason favorite each time and only a weak regular season record caused a fall to underdog or loser all 6 years, except the Allen miracle - it literally took a miracle for Lebron to not underachieve favored rosters (by losing with the preseason favorite, or falling to underdog).
Are u stupid or something ?
I’m what reality you live to believe a non top 10 with 2 AS could beat :
A prime top 10 player joining with the second best best player in the league with another all star and the dpoy ?
I forgot , the 6moy2 as well was with warriors …
That's what Dirk, Chauncey and Bird did - they beat teams with the top 2 players in the league (Lebron/Wade, Shaq/Kobe, and Kareem/Magic).
Dirk, Chauncey and Bird had less talented teams, so they won with superior chemistry, as allowed by their great jumpshooting and highly-assisted skillset - this allows great ball movement instead of someone with a bunch of unassisted buckets/solo missions (low assisted rate) like Lebron, Luka, or another ball-dominator that has the worst-ever Finals records.. Wow, it would be pretty cool to see the 2 biggest ball-dominators ever that spawn the worst Finals records lose together in the Finals.
Things Lebron did that are worse than anyone else ever did:
#1 all-time in turnovers and missed shots
I know this is more than obvious but this is the stuff that really makes you a clown and totally transparent. Bulk stats matter when you want them too, but not when you don't.
I've never seen anyone so partisan in my life outside of the political realm. It's honestly beyond religious fanaticism.
I don't doubt that you legitimately love Michael Jordan.
The problem with this is being 1 category in top 10 do not make u a top 10 player anyway .
It’s a combination of many things .
Ps: what frequency has anything to do with it ?
Ok , let’s put it another way :
what Lebron missing in accomplishments that your top 10 has that LeBron doesn’t ?
Ie: bird isn’t top 10 scorer ever , isn’t top 10 rbn ever , Larry bird 48th in assist per game while Lebron is 24th….
I could do this for curry etc …
You are out of your damn mind to believe a guy running at 27-28/7/7 won 4 final mvp and 4 mvp doesn’t deserve top 10 .
Lebrongot all the stats and wins that many of your top 10 do not have shrug .
But hey again , try find dubious stats to try prove it and u still can’t lol…
Oops u forgot my post about goat choke ? Let’s put it again .
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/bigges...Preseason la 2004 +140Pre final 2004 -700 !!From the article : Preseason Miami 2011 +170Pre final 2011. -180 Who was the biggest choke again in a final ? Yeah 2 players top 10 ever playing together with 2 other top 75 players vs piston ( 000000 top 75 players) …And almost swep
U keep spewing many stats but yet you don’t seem to believe in stats …..
Has for the rest is just cherry picking stats that do not make sense without context .
But anyway top 10 players are based on failure or accomplishments?
Did Shaq get swept 5 times with great teams and got an even bigger choke in 2004 ? Think about it 2 sec ….
Every top10 players had miserable fails at some point , they aren’t like mj ….
You weren't there.. Rodman was considered a cancer and people wanted him out of the league - the Spurs wanted to get rid of him at all costs, and Houston gave Pippen away for nothing as well... But back to Rodman - you obviously never saw his antics... He actually kept it up in Chicago, like when he headbutted the ref, or kicked the camera man in the nuts and f'd him up, and ot
I was there. Are you serious that you couldn't see the rig back in the day? That's on you. How embarrassing. You fell for the NBA media bias.
Oh that's a nice touch - sort of proves that the mods did infact modify and even completely fabricate my posts that they used to start the thread.. Thanks for pointing that evidence out.. Obviously, that undertitle wasn't put there by me
The sky is blue. That proves that Lions are aliens.
I do wonder what goes on in your head sometimes.
Obviously you didn't put it there. Probably Rich Paul as part of his ongoing marketing campaign.
Preseason odds or odds for a series are useless if you're just looking at one instance - the reason that I use preseason odds is because there's a large sample and trend... i.e. Lebron had 6 straight preseason favorites, while no one else in history had more than 3 - this is great evidence that Lebron had the most help ever.. Furthermore, there's a clear trend where Lebron's te
Ok again …..preseason is obviously the least reliable because as you go further out in time , less predictions are accurate .
But it surprising u choose those less reliable stats because it fit your narrative and all the stars that are more reliable you throw them in the garbage because it indicates LeBron didn’t had the biggest choke of all time lol ….moving on .
And regardless , Shaq/kobe 2004 were more favorites then LeBron pre season anyway ….
So again you use double standard with LeBron not respecting the equivalence of math in stats …
Other part of your post .
So in 2011 Kobe has absolutely no problem to get swept by dirk with a championship roaster but LeBron got the biggest choke ever because he won 2 games with a non championship team vs that same dirk team ?
That makes a lot of sense …..
And who’s common players got a pass twice in very bad performance in playoffs ?
KOBE !!
Being part of that horrible choke in 2004 and
getting swept by dirk with a championship roaster !!!
Do u get that point ????
The problem with this is being 1 category in top 10 do not make u a top 10 player anyway .
It’s a combination of many things .
A top 10 player cannot arguably be outside of the top 10 in everything (scoring, passing, rebounding, defense).
None of my top 10 is like that.
It's literally all that matters... Who cares about winning 4 chips in 24 years?... that's BAD for a top 10 player, especially if they stacked the deck most of the time.
His skillset cannot win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player (fact)
This is because his skillset produces low assist teams (fact) and a long list of bad fits and chemistry (fact)... His skillset turns teammates into spot-up shooter (fact) which prevents elite roster construction and great teams (fact).
Since his skillset can't win with normal rosters and prevents elite roster construction, he's out of the top 10 along with anyone else that has his skillset (ball-dominator)... And since he drastically underachieves with the super-teams that he creates, it's further reason to downgrade him..
Ie: bird isn’t top 10 scorer ever , isn’t top 10 rbn ever , Larry bird 48th in assist per game while Lebron is 24th….
I could do this for curry etc …
See that's where you're wrong saying that Bird or Curry aren't arguably top 10 scorers.. That's a lack of knowledge about basketball - they're arguably #1 and #2 as jumpshooters.
You are out of your damn mind to believe a guy running at 27-28/7/7 won 4 final mvp and 4 mvp doesn’t deserve top 10 .
Stats are pretty meaningless in the GOAT debate.
Stats require context like chemistry, brand of ball and teammate performance - stats without great chemistry mean nothing..... Accordingly, the skillsets that produce the best brand of ball, chemistry/teammate performance, and winning are more important than just looking at stats - I'll take Curry's 30/5/5 over Lebron or Luka's 35/12/12 every day and twice on Sunday.. Ball movement > ball-domination - it produces DYNASTIES and therefore provides greater long-run title equity than someone that perennially-loses with every cast.
The sky is blue. That proves that Lions are aliens.
I do wonder what goes on in your head sometimes.
Obviously you didn't put it there. Probably Rich Paul as part of his ongoing marketing campaign.
I don't even know how to do undertitles
The mods did it obviously, just like they fabricated my first few posts to get the thread started..
This is what I've said all along, so I'm glad Carnivore pointed out my new undertitle because I wouldn't have noticed it for a while, maybe a really long time... And it proves that the mods are fabricators, liars and deceivers
It's actually evil because I don't come on here to troll - everything I post is facts and backed up by linked stats, so the mods are just p*ssies that can't stand that I've proven Lebron is vastly inferior and not a top 10 player.. So they try to make me look like a troll.. I don't care because anyone intelligent enough to understand my posts knows that I'm not trolling.
I was there. Are you serious that you couldn't see the rig back in the day? That's on you. How embarrassing. You fell for the NBA media bias.
You weren't there and weren't even in the US
No one wanted Rodman - this is common knowledge, so MJ saved a 36-year fossil that was worse than 33-year Ben Wallace or 37-year Shaq that Lebron played with.. No one got more rigging than Lebron.. He even got the acquisition he coveted in 2006 - Larry Hughes (see next post).
