Israel/Palestine thread

ya they were killed by Israel. the question is if it was Hannibal Doctrine or not.

Gonna need a source on that one also.

Predictable though, I was actually going to include a little tidbit on the Hannibal Directive in my previous post.

hamas' policy on construction equipment is to use it to further the cause of raping and murdering jews, which is problem

Things were incrementally getting better in Gaza up to 2000, largely because Israel was loosening restrictions. Unfortunately, they were rewarded with the 2nd Infintada followed by Gaza electing Hamas (whose major platform was destroying Israel), followed by Hamas militarizing Gaza and shooting rockets at Israel for the next 20+ years, culminating in 10/7.

Like I said, Israel responding as it has was fairly rationale. Many people think the 2nd Infintada was the point of no return, where Israel society just accepted Palestinians would never be interested in peace (or at least the people not interested in peace would always have veto power) and started prioritizing their own security concerns in the face of Palestinian intransigence.

Victor, if you ever need a break from spamming the forums go ahead. We can just write your responses for you in the meantime and it’ll be like you never left.

its just that if you* try to holocaust the jews again you're going to have a bad time. really bad

*i dont mean you

Meanwhile, on with *genociding* Palestinians who, unfortunately for them, don't have nukes.

fake genocide*

To the winners go the spoils.

When I look at video of Gaza it sure doesn't look like you are on the right side of history.

I too love Arab trans hula dancers

It was actually a brilliant video although he probably should have kept Bibi out of it in the end. What people need to realize is that the US can do whatever it wants. We aren't playing games anymore. At some point the adult needs to step in and take over. We know the disaster Gaza is and we know it is only gonna get worse. Trump realizes it's time for Gaza to switch it's industry from terrorism or tourism. What better person to oversee the reconstruction. This all came about after Trump saw the unedited Hamas videos from Oct 7th. He understands what Israel and the world is up against. If you want a seat at the adults table act like an adult.

You do you!

There may be a little ethnic cleansing but where do you get the "Genocide"?

If they had nukes they would have used them Oct 7th.

I dunno, US was driven out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and many other places. they did do pretty well against Grenada. and US backed forces lost decisively in Ukraine, and were stalemated in Lebanon and Gaza.

if the US could do what it wants, it would be over. last I checked Bibi and his sychopants feefees got hurt bc Hamas showed up at the hostage exchange and 1.5 million people showed up at Nasrallah's funeral.

nobody likes the US and nobody ever will.

It's awesome that the 1.5million terrorists got to see the gangster Israeli fly over.

The US has always fought with one hand behind it's back. Trust me when I say we could take anything we wanted and no one would stop us.

Nobody likes the US but they keep climbing over the walls and drowning in boats to get here. The people who hate the US are simply jealous. Why would anyone in the US care what a third world country thinks of us?

Says the guy whose international affairs thinking is limited to one idea: Muslims = bad. You're lost on any question that can't be fit into that narrative. How's the expulsion of 40,000 West Bankers from their homes in the American interest?

The US is about 25-50x, on a conservative metric, stronger than they were during Vietnam - with about a third of the active duty personnel compared to then. When they are driven out, its because they either realized that they ****ed up, or because it's simply just strategically or geo politically the right decision. I don't think people realize the size of the gap between the forces.

Which is why I won't lean away from the assumption that the actions of Hamas and the likes just don't make any ****ing sense to me outside idea of just suiciding the whole thing down and everyone around them. I get that it's all results oriented at this point, but none of how this ended was of any surprise - it was just to what level of violence it was going to take.

I guess I can kind of get the, "raise awareness to the US" or something long game, but that seems a hell of stretch when the US was already hated to the max for many parts of the world, and even within, before this - just like wiht Vietnam and Iraq and literally ever war in history.

I get what you are saying. and I thought this way for decades. but this is key and you understand it far better than I did.

that means they lost. in Vietnam and Afghanistan and wherever, the opposition needs to make it more costly to stay than leave. and thats what Hamas has done in Gaza this time even if possibly just for now.

if the US (and its Isreali puppet) wanted to win then they would have needed to kill a million or more civilians and lose 10s or 100s of thousands of soldiers in the tunnels. it wasnt worth the cost.

one of hte first, or maybe last, steps I realized was that the US is not invincible. they can kill millions but its a lot harder to kill everyone.

Whether or not Israel "won", what is very clear is that the Palestinian people are the biggest losers, and this will continue to be the case until The Resistance is defeated. And if The Resistance is never defeated, the Palestinian people will just continue to lose.

not surprising mongidig is lapping that up.

If that’s how you view my “international affairs thinking”, then you just haven’t been paying attention. Try to keep up Bill.

How do you figure? Seemed like people who wipe their ass with their hand forced a stalemate at a minimum in Afghanistan. Yeah, it's usually the right strategic decision to halt a campaign that gets nowhere and costs a trillion dollars.

We can't beat anybody in any scenario we would want to win. All we can do is nuke people and that's messy on a lot of levels. All of our giant equipment can just be drone swarmed. I posted an article here a few years ago about some kid in the Navy, some assistant potato peeler, who took out some giant naval ship with a billion dollar price tag because he ashed his cigarette on the wrong surface. All of our giant war vessels are useless now except to make contractors money. They will tell you we can shoot down missiles with missiles but they can't.

I think it's hard to imagine the hell Palestinians were living in. Some of these people in Gaza had never seen Jewish Israelis in person. Think about living in a concentration camp, having your suffering micromanaged by people who don't even have to look you in the eye. They are just locked in this hellscape with sewer water to drink and a calorie count designed to keep them weak and malnourished. And there is no end in sight. If I was Hamas I would have done it. Not as a strategic choice per say, but just to flip the script one time before I die. They tried peaceful protest and Israelis sniper shot their knees off.

The only hope for people in Gaza was the wider Muslim world. They know that the white liberals aren't really going to do anything for them despite their rhetoric. Once they saw the Saudis were normalizing relations with Israel they knew that no one was ever going to get them out of there unless they shook things up somehow.

1. You are imagining, as this description in far far far from reality.
2. Some of these people in Gaza had never seen an Egyptian in person – FYP
3. Think about living in a concentration camp – One of the biggest lol's
4. We didn’t micromanage Gaza in any way, shape or form.
5. They are just locked in this hellscape – it really shows you have no idea what you are talking about
6. with sewer water to drink and a calorie count designed to keep them weak and malnourished – before the war??? You are bordering mental issues
7. They tried peaceful protest and Israelis sniper shot their knees off – good one
8. The only hope for people in Gaza was the wider Muslim world – the Muslims can't bother with the Pal. Look what the Lebannese did to them. Joran. Egypt.
9. They were planning the 7 October attack way before the talks with Saudi. Once again you are misinformed all over the board