Donald J. Trump (For everyone else)
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Melei, like Trump, is also a huge crypto scammer.
Canada backed down on electricity duties.
Not sure of the precise order of events.
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Doesn’t sound like trump 1.0 ?
Trump do crazy $h!t and people behind the scene try to fix stuff behind him ….
Its crazy how single minded you all are with these thoughts and how pervasive a singular thought can spread throughout you all like some game of ****** telephone.
Lets skip the deep dive and let me question you this:
What good is 4% GDP growth if your inflation is 25%? Why would we want to repurpose our global powerhouse economy to match developing nation? You do realize that the Argentinian economy is worse than our in every way imaginable, right?
You know, I looked all through my post again, and I don't see where I said it was a good move. I was just stating where Trump & Musk got this idea. Sometimes information can be just put out there.
For the record I think it's a horrible idea. A heavy-handed approach to moving the market unnaturally seems like a terrible decision. I disagree with Josh on this.
Doesn’t sound like trump 1.0 ?
Trump do crazy $h!t and people behind the scene try to fix stuff behind him ….
It just seems like standard trump. You fight back then he escalates. You concede he deals. We see it with everyhtign he does.
One thing trump understands very well is how to abuse power and privilege.
FACT CHECK: "TRUMP IS BASICALLY A DEMOCRAT FROM 15 YEARS AGO"
Versions of this clip (and others) are making the rounds on social media and this (Canadian?) white Christian nationalist calls Trump "basically a democrat from 15 years ago"
this line was also mentioned to me by a right winger in a discord conversation a couple of days before this whole thing went viral but when I asked if he had specific examples he did not. A google search did not prove fruitful.
Well thankfully I have people here who were paying attention the last 15 years and can probably speak to this topic intelligently. So is there truth to this phrase? I know that Obama was "deporter in chief" but outside of that I can't think of similar examples to what Trump is currently doing.
You know, I looked all through my post again, and I don't see where I said it was a good move. I was just stating where Trump & Musk got this idea. Sometimes information can be just put out there.
For the record I think it's a horrible idea. A heavy-handed approach to moving the market unnaturally seems like a terrible decision. I disagree with Josh on this.
My apologies as I confused you for a different poster
Horrible Trumpy idiots at work.
Teacher forced to take down this sign.
This is quite similar to doing a "reset" of the US economy b/c Argentina did something like this and it worked for them. Guys on 'What Are Your Thoughts?' were just talking about this. Starts @ 24:15 if interested:
I actually think it’s funny because as he is describing what Milei did, that seems like the opposite of what Trump is trying to do. Instead he is pursuing protectionist trade policy and trying to institute crony capitalism that Milei is (in their view) fighting against.
But yes, that is a good point as well. Even if you can point to some good outcome for protectionism, it might only make sense in the particular conditions of that country. Some other stagnating country, like Argentina, might actually benefit from increasing free trade.
Furthermore the US just has a lot more to lose on the world stage by closing itself off, like Trump seems to want to do. Not just economically but in terms of foreign policy, both hard and soft power.
A simple thought experiment reveals everything you need to know about Trump's "strategies" and motivations/intentions:
Let's say he's a Russian asset, always was, from back in the 80/90s when he was bailed out by them (and is probably being extorted ever since: epstein, other moscow stuff, etc.):
Would he do anything different from what he is doing now???
Furthermore the US just has a lot more to lose on the world stage by closing itself off, like Trump seems to want to do. Not just economically but in terms of foreign policy, both hard and soft power.
this is a key point:
Guys like Macron, he's had enough, he's done with Trump (and the US for that matter). And France has its own nukes, so they don't need to kowtow. Plus, with Merz (new german chancellor) coming in, he's def. a hardliner, not some weak sauce like Scholz was, he will have backing from that side too.
If Europe gets its act together (and i'd put the probability at higher than 50% in the moment, bc they know Putin will not stop with Ukraine, he'll come for Poland or other small baltic states next), the US will have lost significantly on the world stage, and will basically become one of many players (a big one, sure, but not the only one anymore) ... so Putin is getting exactly what he paid for one way or the other.
A simple thought experiment reveals everything you need to know about Trump's "strategies" and motivations/intentions:
Let's say he's a Russian asset, always was, from back in the 80/90s when he was bailed out by them (and is probably being extorted ever since: epstein, other moscow stuff, etc.):
Would he do anything different from what he is doing now???
If he was, he would:
1) Immediately remove all sanctions toward Russia
2) Help partition Syria in a way that allows the alawite to keep a smallish state, and for it to be a russian puppet
3) Stop selling LNG to Europe to resume russian sales of gas in large quantities
4) Pressure the EU to unfreeze the 300bln of russian reserves currently hold in Belgium
5) Have Zelensky assassinated
and so on
If he was, he would:
1) Immediately remove all sanctions toward Russia
2) Help partition Syria in a way that allows the alawite to keep a smallish state, and for it to be a russian puppet
3) Stop selling LNG to Europe to resume russian sales of gas in large quantities
4) Pressure the EU to unfreeze the 300bln of russian reserves currently hold in Belgium
5) Have Zelensky assassinated
and so on
yeah, sure ;-)))
you forget (or chose to) that Putin is a trained former KGB agent.
He knows how not only to get an asset, but to use it to max efficiency.
The actions you describe are way to much out in the open, so that even the most stupid GOP senator couldn't deny the facts anymore - which would lead to the operation be over.
and: it's not necessary. He's causing enough long-lasting damage already
A KGB agent who appears to have served exclusively behind the Iron Curtain. Not exactly the same type of KGB agent in the US getting up to all kinds of murky James Bond style stuff like that badass couple in The Americans. As KGB agents go, he doesn't appear to be top tier, so to speak.
FACT CHECK: "TRUMP IS BASICALLY A DEMOCRAT FROM 15 YEARS AGO"
Versions of this clip (and others) are making the rounds on social media and this (Canadian?) white Christian nationalist calls Trump "basically a democrat from 15 years ago"
this line was also mentioned to me by a right winger in a discord conversation a couple of days before this whole thing went viral but when I asked if he had specific examples he did not. A google search did not prove fruitful.
Well thankfully I have people here
I never heard the "15 years ago" but i heard the "a democrat from the 90s" very often.
During the campaign a video of Clinton (the president not Hillary) talking about border security as strictly as Trump circulated widely, i think that's why.
Well, he promised that they would result in a huge boost to revenue and a huge boost to U.S. manufacturing. Fans of tariffs are few and far between in the economic sphere, but people who believe that you can use tariffs to simultaneously turn both dials strongly in a positive direction are rarer still.
I am not fan of tariffs. However, they could lead to a small boost in manufacturing. In saying that, I have no idea why our past 3 presidents all seemed to like the idea of bringing manufacturing back.
Trumps has basically 2 settings on economic issues: No decision and wrong decision.
If he is successful in cutting regulation, lowering taxes and cutting the size of gov't he will go down as one of the best presidents we have ever had. However, it will take decades for this to be a consensus because of the mass amounts of hatred for him today and the world hasn't yet recognized how harmful a large gov't is to an economy.
I do not believe for a second that you believe that creating significant uncertainty about tariffs of a large magnitude can ever be good at anything at all for society.
If he had implemented clear tariffs, standing by them, you could theoretically claim we have to wait to see first and second order effects.
But it's 100% certain that doing this embarassing dance of put the tariff / remove the tariff / threaten the tariff / and so on is just terrible for the economy.
Any uncertainty is bad for an economy. However, if the choice is either tariffs or a presidential hopeful who suggested gov't price controls starting with groceries the choice is super easy.
I am still hoping these tariffs are a short-term tool used to discourage other countries from placing tariffs on us and other economic sanctions.
If he is successful in cutting regulation, lowering taxes and cutting the size of gov't he will go down as one of the best presidents we have ever had. However, it will take decades for this to be a consensus because of the mass amounts of hatred for him today and the world hasn't yet recognized how harmful a large gov't is to an economy.
He was already president for 4 years with no major wins that will be remembered. If you’re in a position to take advantage of his dismantling of ethics offices and government oversight you can make a lot of money. But I dont think making it easier to fleece on fat government contracts will be remembered as a great accomplishment.
I am not fan of tariffs. However, they could lead to a small boost in manufacturing. In saying that, I have no idea why our past 3 presidents all seemed to like the idea of bringing manufacturing back.
I can gut regulation, lower taxes, and fire people easily. The positive economic outcomes from doing those things are what would distinct. Not sure why you think 3 totally unrelated, easily achievable, no effort actions would save the ****in economy as somebody who is supposed to financially literate.
Also "hes using tariffs to avoid tariffs" while ever country he has slapped with tariffs has issued retaliatory tariffs is kinda tone deaf
Great so now it’s not even it’ll suck for a year or so, it’s decades of suffering before the idiot masses recognize Trump was the messiah.
So selfless of the GOP to sacrifice the rest of their own natural lives for the good of the future!
A simple thought experiment reveals everything you need to know about Trump's "strategies" and motivations/intentions:
Let's say he's a Russian asset, always was, from back in the 80/90s when he was bailed out by them (and is probably being extorted ever since: epstein, other moscow stuff, etc.):
Would he do anything different from what he is doing now???
No, not really. He's already pretty obvious, if he were to do more, it would be too clear for the people that will have to act to get rid of him they are going to be considered complicit if they don't get rid of him.
A KGB agent who appears to have served exclusively behind the Iron Curtain. Not exactly the same type of KGB agent in the US getting up to all kinds of murky James Bond style stuff like that badass couple in The Americans. As KGB agents go, he doesn't appear to be top tier, so to speak.
It is hard to know. Russia has a tradition of propping up the mythos of their leaders through rewriting history, faking sources and using ghost writers.
Putin also served at a time when the KGB was hopelessly and utterly corrupt, the CCCP was falling apart at the seams, and their East Germany activities was more organized theft than espionage.
However, if it is one thing that does give pause, it would be the hours long talks with Trump alone or on the phone, with noone keeping notes and how Trump have a tendency to favor Russia after such exchanges.
That reeks of handling, or how an intelligence officer would isolate and pitch to an agent (outside the US, an agent refers to someone you recruit). I am not suggesting some movie-like conspiracy or Trump being a Manchurian candidate, but one could easily imagine similar manipulation tactics being used to bait the line and make someone depend on you.
Take for example the timeline of the Russia - US summit in Helsinki in 2018, where Trump sided with Russian officials over his own intelligence agencies. At this summit he had long private talks with Putin without anyone present before these statements were made.
I am not fan of tariffs. However, they could lead to a small boost in manufacturing. In saying that, I have no idea why our past 3 presidents all seemed to like the idea of bringing manufacturing back.
If this is your view, then why did you ask what Trump was wrong about w/r/t tariffs?
Any uncertainty is bad for an economy. However, if the choice is either tariffs or a presidential hopeful who suggested gov't price controls starting with groceries the choice is super easy.
I am still hoping these tariffs are a short-term tool used to discourage other countries from placing tariffs on us and other economic sanctions.
We aren't the left, we can't use the fact that lefists are even worse to justify our side mistakes.
How does the bold apply to Mexico, Canada and the EU? were those countries threatening tariff increases or other economic sanctions to the USA in any way or form?
Keep in mind that even if i am on team "all tariffs are bad", the ******ed choices an increasing number of people are criticizing are about the tariffs with those countries, not China. Put China out of the picture momentarily: why the actual **** was ANYTHING related to Canada in particular justified in the slightest?
