GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

I didn’t read all yet but if that is what the logic of FG end up too -> lol.
Glad we got proof his insane …

So AD top 10 all time with dwade since they are both has great as Duncan and Kobe but not LeBron …..lol

So Shaq never won a title without teaming with a top 10 as well with dwade and Kobe ….
Nice to know .

Well of course now u changes stats like vorp , per and all that $h!t and not using the ppg anymore lol ….

You are useless FG , really .
U just can’t help yourself changing stats , narrative , goal posts to make them fit your reality .

In science you would get a big 0 on your exam my good friend and a fraud in the private sector using your “scientific method”.

But I’m glad I finally put it to rest your insanity , it’s just impossible to have a logical discussion with someone arguing that sometimes 2+2= 4 , then it’s 2+2= 5 and finally end up with 2 X 2 = fish ….

Well thx for the entertainment, was fun .
Later .

lol
Once your criteria got debunk then the word “think” is summoned and must discard the evidence of your bs narrative .

Here is the criteria ->
Lebron won more then all your top 10 beside MJ has the main captain :

with the most deficient style of play u can come up with as u explain .

Which means the only thing you prove is that LeBron , with a hand on his back , still won more then anybody but mj !
Imagine if Lebron decided to play with both hands using a better style of basketball ….mj got lucky Lebron didn’t lol .

Actually , if I follow your logic , u might start make me think lebron isn’t that far off mj and maybe even better , thx FG …..

FWIW, if AD and dwade were so great , how come it took Lebron to win more ring for them ?
Dwade with shaq (a top 10 player better than LeBron ? ) only 1 ring
AD without Lebron no ring
Kyrie without Lebron no ring .
Kevin love without Lebron no ring
Bosh without Lebron no ring …

All those insanely great player ( you say they are) would have no rings in their career if they didn’t play with Lebron ….
How can they be so great and can’t win nothing but only can win while playing with a bad player like LeBron ?

Remember what you said about pippen if he didn’t play with MJ what would happens to his career ? Like no ring etc ?

It’s the same god dam thing with Lebron teammates .
They all did better under him by winning ….

Here another clip that maybe u should get about your useless criteria at some point ….
In the end it’s winning by any means that matters !

And guess what , he did and won and his teammates because of him won too….
Let me repeat it …..
Lebron won won won despite every bs you can come up with -> Lebron won anyway !
Case closed .
Nice talking to you .

Anyone can say whatever they want but you haven't provided a single example of ball-dominators using a ball movement system, as required of every great team.

So you're just saying things and wishing upon a star about things that never happened.. In the entirety of history, ball-dominators never ran a ball movement system because the 2 things are opposites (ball-domination and ball movement), so they cannot co-exist.

The triangle began in the 1940's, but Jordan was the only one that could win with it... Otoh, many guys won with ball movement, except ball-dominators, so they're the only ones that can't win with it.

Again, you guys did horrifically in school.. That much is clear.. "poorly-educated" I think is the politically-correct term.

It's also funny that you're talking about force-feeding MJ the ball when Lebron already has the ball in his hands as a dumb ball-dominator... So you're a beginner at basketball and are just making stuff up as you go.

Wade taught showed Lebron how to have FMVP performance in the 2011 Finals and perform under pressure - Wade taught Lebron how to win... That's another reason Lebron isn't in my top 10 because no one else needed to be taught how to win and not be a choker - only Lebron needed this schooling.

Secondly, Lebron joined Kyrie in Year 2 and used up Kyrie's prime, and also Love, AD, Hughes and Wade's last 2-3 years of prime.. He used up everyone's prime years and barely gave them any chips - only 1 for Love and only 1 for 6 with AD.... That's a joke and nowhere near top 10..

Finally, you keep saying that Lebron won, but so did the worst team in the NBA that won 8 games this year so far... So if you lose more than you win, then you're a loser, and Lebron is a loser with every type of good team, such as preseason favorites (3-4), all-star teammates (4-7), Finals teams (4-6), 1 or 2 seeds (4-5), and he has a record 3 straight upset losses from 09' to 11'.. So the numbers say that Lebron is the biggest loser of all-time, aka the biggest fraud ever that you have fallen for.. Case closed .
Nice talking to you

He can't - that's the point.

For example, Shaq lacks the skills to start shooting threes just like ball-dominators can never move the ball - ball-domination and ball movement are opposites that cannot happen at the same time..

So physics proves you wrong, along with all the stats that show ball-dominators have never run ball movement systems that every great team had.. Let me know if there's any more education that you need because this post and the last should set you straight about basketball from a statistical and scientific standpoint.

Don’t be mad fallguy. Take this as a learning opportunity:

You have claimed hundreds of times that players cannot adapt to different schemes or roles. Fidstar and I have tried to teach you by explaining great players do this all the time. I then trapped you by getting you to finally admit players do have role changes depending on team needs.

Since players can change their role and adapt, that proves your original claim wrong. System, scheme, and role within that scheme do matter and great players can adapt to team needs.

Also, you stated that if something had never happened, then it cannot happen. You applied this to LeBron James playing an off-ball role in any capacity. I believe you called it kindergarten logic to claim otherwise.

Therefore, I showed you again by trapping you: this immediately implies that since Jordan has never won a championship without Phil Jackson, Pippen, and the triangle, then he cannot do it

Now, your final exam remains: does something not happening logically imply it cannot happen or is impossible? Remember, you have to apply logic equally across all domains, no matter how biased (or stupid and uneducated) you may be. So if it’s a true statement, that means Jordan cannot win a ring without Pippen, Phil, and the triangle. If it’s false, well then you were totally wrong again and just because LeBron is generally a primary ball handler does not mean he cannot play off ball.

Which is it fallguy? Are you intelligent enough to see the contradiction in your statements? Remember: don’t be mad and try not to fall for any more obvious traps. Good luck.

2010 vs Celtics in Playoffs


WADE............ 33.2 on 56%
KOBE............. 28.6 on 41%
LEBRON........ 26.8 on 45%


2010 Regular Season

Lebron........ #1 PER...... #1 BPM..... #1 WS/48..... #1 VORP... #2 PPG
Wade.......... #2 PER...... #2 BPM..... #2 WS/48..... #2 VORP... #5 PPG
Bosh........... #4 PER.... #14 BPM... #15 WS/48... #20 VORP... #9 PPG
Kobe......... #14 PER.... #15 BPM... #31 WS/48... #10 VORP... #4 PPG

It's clear that 2010 Wade was the 2nd-best player in the league, so Lebron had top 3 guys at sidekick (Wade, AD, Luka) and also franchise players at 3rd option, while MJ barely had a top 10 guy and no 3rd scoring option.

Stop lying... I claimed that ball-dominators can't adjust.

So stop lying about what I said... From now on, bold the parts of my posts that you're referring to.

It's been posted hundreds of times and it's been the entire theme of the thread that Curry, Kobe, and MJ are elite on-ball and off-ball, so they adjust to all players and systems, while ball-dominators can't adjust and handcuff coaches into ball-domination... Yet you're going to lie and say that I stated the opposite, so that ball-dominators can adjust like the best jumpshooters (Curry/MJ/Kobe)?

Again, stop lying.. I never said ball-dominators adjust and the entire case against them is their inability to adjust based on their history of never doing so - they've never run a ball movement system, as required of great teams.

Again, not ball-dominators because they aren't elite both on-ball and off-ball like the greatest-scoring jumpshooters ever (Curry, Kobe or MJ)... That's why we refer to the historical record to see that ball-dominators never ran a ball movement system that every great team has, while great teams never have ball-dominators as their 1st option either.

This is the historical record, and also science/physics - i.e. ball-domination and ball movement cannot happen at the same time, which is why ball-dominators can't run ball movement systems that every great team has, and therefore can't produce great teams.

Only claims based on massive sample sizes, such as the entirety of history, are viable and likely claims.

i.e. Ball-dominators can't run a ball movement system - this has viability because it's based on all of history and therefore the biggest sample possible, so it's true from a statistical standpoint... And it's also true based on science/physics, since ball-domination and ball-movement can't occur at the same time.. So your claim that ball-dominators can run ball movement defies scientific fact and is similar to saying that what goes up doesn't come down.

Similarly, another viable claim based on all of history is that no one won in the triangle until MJ... So your claim that he can't win without the triangle is based on nothing - 6 seasons lol - and all the goat stats and carry-job data show that he was carrying the offense more than anyone ever has.. By far.

There's a lot of this by Fidstar and Matt:

"I lost an argument.. Well let me change what he said and argue against that so I don't look so bad.. And I'll ignore 90% of the points that he makes and then claim that he's not responding"

You're lying because Jordan's shot attempts, usage and scoring rate increased in the triangle:

Regular Season

85-89' MJ........ 41.5 pts per 100.... 29.5 FGA per 100..... 33.8 usage
90-93' MJ........ 42.0 pts per 100.... 31.1 FGA per 100..... 33.2 usage


Playoffs

85-89' MJ........ 42.9 pts per 100.... 29.7 FGA per 100..... 35.1 usage
90-93' MJ........ 44.4 pts per 100.... 33.4 FGA per 100..... 36.1 usage


Finals

91-93' MJ........ 36.3 PPG...... 35.9 usage

Again, stop lying about stuff that is already settled with linked stats to public information.

The stats prove that Jordan's carry-jobs continued in the triangle because his burden increased (shot attempts, usage, scoring rate, rebounds, assists)..

This proves that Phil didn't know what he was talking about when he said the triangle would reduce MJ's burden and he wouldn't be scoring champ anymore - MJ proceeded to be scoring champ for 7 of 7 seasons in the triangle, so Phil didn't know what he was talking about and was just lucky to land alongside the goat entering his prime.

So you don't knock Magic or Lebron for needing the most dominant players ever as teammates and the most talented casts of all-time, but you're knocking someone that just needed a ball movement offense that any good junior high coach runs every day, and otherwise low-producing role players as teammates??

Got it... I'll go with the guy that just needed a decent offense that hundreds of thousands of coaches can provide.

Essentially, MJ's cast was so weak that he's the only guy where the "scheme" and coach are considered part of the cast.. lol... Thanks for providing this perspective.

Again, MJ produced the 2nd best team in the NBA that was already nearly beating the Bad Boys by the end of the 89' Playoffs, so Phil inherited an impending champion and the steepest trajectory in the league.

^^^ that type of growth happened with all of Jordan's teammates because he was the goat assist target with high assisted rates that put the ball in Pippen's hands, while Lebron's low assisted rates and ball-domination turn teammates into spot-up shooter, so he has zero young player development on his watch as the leading scorer.

Plain and simple.

Jordan's skillset grew teammates, chemistry and teams to goat levels of winning, while Lebron's ball-domination cratered many teammates and chemistry, so he has a losing record with every type of good roster.. This includes preseason favorites (3-4), all-star teammates (4-7), Finals teams (4-6), 1 or 2 seeds (4-5), and a record 3 straight upset losses from 09' to 11'.

Fallguy, lying through his teeth, like the dipshit that he is. I wonder if, due to his severe mental illness, he is going to project and pretend like we are the ones lying after losing an argument?

Oh wait there it is.

For context, he was replying to this: he was arguing that players’ roles do not change to adapt to different offensive needs. Which is why LeBron “couldn’t adapt” to a Phil Jackson offense. Of course now that we have dozens of examples of players changing their role to fill a team need (even Jordan himself), he is lying and gaslighting about the entire argument.

If he lies about the context (he will), feel free to click the links.

Oh look he ran off again, that’s a shame. No worries I’m sure he’s concocting his next line of gaslighting, then he’ll accuse me and fidstar of running off after losing an argument. You know, projection and delusion and all. Typical mental illness stuff.

(Don’t worry fallguy, there’s no trap waiting for you. You may post freely.)

Hang in there Matt. 😀

I responded to your points and you can't respond to mine, so you're cursing and getting mad.

You claimed that ball-dominators can adjust to ball movement just because other skillsets did, but that's the whole point of why those skillsets are superior - highly-assisted skillsets like bigs or jumpshooters can play in ball movement systems as required for great teams, while ball-dominators can't and never have.. There's no place for someone to stand and dribble for any extended period in a ball movement system, so the entire ball-dominator skillset can't be used in a ball movement system and never has... You countered this with "b-b-but Jordan adjusted to being a point guard", which is irrelevant to the fact that ball-dominators can't play ball movement systems and never have.

Hey FG , just to make it clearer to everyone , MJ wasn’t playing the triangle in 1996-98 correct ?
Don’t include those stats because your argument will get crush …

Or you use 1989 when mj was actually playing a point guard not a shooting guard for 30% of the game .

Just use only 100 possession , not the actual total attempt and leave out free throw too ….

Do you know what cherry picking stats actually mean ?

It's funny isn't it?? I'm like that big kid in grade school whose grin gets bigger and bigger as he grounds and pounds some clueless punk into oblivion.. hehe

Nah if he played with LeBron he would have been a top 10 player ever .

Everyone knows the post-baseball Jordan from 96' to 98' was below the pre-baseball version in the 80's or early 90's... That's why 85-89' was compared to 91-93' so it's apples to apples (pre-baseball vs pre-baseball).

So again, you guys are wrong.. Everything stands.

Nope. I’m calling a spade a spade. Just pointing out that you’re a lying dipshit because it’s been conclusively proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you’re a lying dipshit.

Nope. I understand that since you can’t win a single argument honestly, you have to resort to being a lying diphit, but I’m going to respond anyway.

My claim is that some ball dominators, particularly the great overall players (like LeBron), can trivially adapt to a ball movement system. I’ve said this a few dozen times. That you have to lie about what I’m actually claiming is what makes you the lying dipshit.

Your claim was that no players ever change their role to adapt (see the post I linked above for proof that you said it. You can get mad all you want but it’s right there), and that it was impossible for LeBron to ever adjust to a ball movement offense because he’s a good ball handler. Err a “ball dominator”. Or something equally stupid.

I proved that players adapt to different offensive roles all the time, and I proved that LeBron can just as easily score assisted as unassisted with data.

Then you lied and gaslighted about all of the above because again, lying dipshit. Let’s be honest though: you don’t actually believe any of this. You’re just a troll that needs attention to fill some gap in your life (my guess is it’s mostly gap). I enjoy making you look like a dumbass; it’s cheap entertainment. So we’re both getting something out of this. Think of me as the head coach and you as the worthless walk on at the end of the bench (next to the random guy stretching).