GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Well I mean Jordan didn't have to publicly deal with being banned for gambling. I think that a pretty big favour.
And the "super small" thing is something you made up that I didn't say... I never said Harden only won 45-50 games with CP3 - you lied about that because I was killing Fidstar in the actual argument
Thirdly, Harden had 3 "pippens" average 16-17 ppg with CP3, EGordo, and Capela, so MJ would've 3-peated with that due to playing the goat brand of ball instead of Harden's worst-ever brand and chemistry... This fool only won 45-50 games or whatever with that squad
Again, we were talking about the years they averaged their peak ppg, which was 2019 and 2020 for Harden - he only won 45-50 game despite havin crazy help with 3 "pippens" that averaged 16-17 ppg (CP3, EGordo and Capela)... MJ 3-peated with less.
Are you okay?
It's hilarious that FG ignores everything that lined up for Jordan, and assumes that every other era needed to match that exact formula.
The best American players in the 1990 were MJ, Magic, Bird, Robinson, Ewing, Malone, and Barkley, while today's game has Tatum, Ja, and Ant, so the massive decline of American basketball (the majority in the NBA) more than offsets the increase of international players (the minority).
So Lebron has it easier because he faces a lot of undeveloped American players that aren't the best in the world, and the only tough guys that he faces are a handful of international guys.
It's hilarious that FG ignores everything that lined up for Jordan, and assumes that every other era needed to match that exact formula.
There's never been a front office that received a 7.9 ppg rookie and was like "that's it!!!. we're set!!!... dynasties incoming!!!".... That conversation never happened anywhere ever.. Jordan had to build a champion from scratch and he's the only guy that was required to build single-digit rookies into champions.
In contrast to Jordan building something from nothing, Lebron was allowed to handpick the top 3 PER's in the league and put them on 1 team, or put the top 3 guys in the East on 1 team and then actually getting props for winning the conference after that... No one in history had more than 3 straight preseason favorites, yet Lebron was allowed to handpick 6 straight from 11' to 16'... It's also unprecedented to have a sidekick outplay the current MVP like Kyrie did Curry, while AD and Wade also outplayed MVP's in Jokic or Dirk... No one in history had this type of help.
It's hilarious that FG ignores everything that lined up for Jordan, and assumes that every other era needed to match that exact formula.
MJ is the only player in history that was forced to build a bunch of single-digit rookies into champion... He would never have achieved this if he was a dumb ball-dominator that put young ballhandlers like Pippen and BJ in the corner as spot-up shooters like Lebron did to Hughes, Ingram, Westbrook, Wade, Clarkson and dozens more... Fortunately, MJ was the goat off-ball player that grew up in ball movement systems, so everyone grew by leaps and bounds alongside him and he was suited for the triangle... This is why he won with the triangle immediately despite his burden increasing within it (scoring rate, shot attempts, usage, assists, rebounds)... He averaged 41 ppg to 3-peat
Instead of addressing the point that Harden couldn't win with CP3 and better casts than Jordan had, you decided to lie about a minor detail to avoid addressing this point... It's a minor detail that I caveated with "or whatever", yet you pretended like I stated it directly with no caveats to avoid addressing the main point about Harden's inability to win with CP3 (or KD)...
So I won the main debate about Harden being trash for failing to win with CP3 or KD, and then I won the meaningless debate about you lying.. I continue to be right about everything.
Luka with 5 consecutive 30/5/5 games. Took Kobe 8 years before he was consistent enough to do that.
Might bump Kobe out of the Top 10 Lakers of all time soon.
Nearly a year ago, I predicted that "Luka-ball will be career loser just like Lebron-ball unless he form super-teams"
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthr...
So who cares about his 30/5/5 if someone can predict that his playing style cannot win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player... Not all 30/5/5 is good - don't even bother post that crap if the assisted rate is below 45%, smh... We know that high-scoring ballhandlers (ball-dominators) can't win with normal team and need "super" teams of multiple franchise players.
Oh look, here's Kobe saying that Harden and Luka-style can't win:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eO3tEBqBA...
boom (bye bye)
45-50 is def close to 65 and def doesn't undercut all your inaneness
Lebron wouldn't feel comfortable pulling some kiddie weasel sh*t like that if a real man was commissioner (Stern).. That crap didn't fly with Stern - he actually fined the Spurs 500k for load managing a game at the very end of the regular season in 2012 I think it was.. In that type of environment, this Bronny crap isn't even thinkable... But in today's soft-as-a-grape, Charmin tissue paper league, this sh*t flies.. The NBA is now about entertainment, aka Bronny, Lakers, team-ups with Luka - there's no real competition anymore like the good ol' days.
I proved you wrong on everything.. You lied about what I said (the small thing) and you guys were wrong about Harden (the big thing)
And again, Harden won Game 5 with 0-11 from three and 19 points, so he was gifted a 3-2 lead and then continued historic choking in Games 6 and 7... Anyone would've won in his place (Kobe, Duncan, etc), let alone Jordan, smh...
Harden is simply several tiers below the top guys and not a top 75 player - his actual playoff performance proves that very convincingly... During his top 2 seasons, he literally played the worst basketball that has ever been played to get those stats and drastically underachieved with that cast compared to what Duncan would do with CP3, or Kobe, MJ, Bird and others...
There's no comparison - Harden literally stinks compared to those guys... JR Rider had more natural talent than Harden.. Harden simply learned a couple cheap tricks to manipulate Silver's soft rules and get fouled or a step-back (since defenders can't touch on the perimeter).
Instead of addressing the point that Harden couldn't win with CP3 and better casts than Jordan had, you decided to lie about a minor detail to avoid addressing this point... It's a minor detail that I caveated with "or whatever", yet you pretended like I stated it directly with no caveats to avoid addressing the main point about Harden's inability to win with CP3 (or KD)... So
Actually, you said it the first time.
Then when I filled you in on the actual facts, you dropped the caveat and stated it without qualification. (Which is belligerent and/or insane.)
The quotes are right there. But arguing against reality is kind of your thing so I'll let you have the last word with one more lie if you'd like.
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TLDR: Harden was over 40 once in his career, while Jordan averaged 43.3 and was basically never below 40
Actually, you said it the first time.
Then when I filled you in on the actual facts, you dropped the caveat and stated it without qualification. (Which is belligerent and/or insane.)
The quotes are right there. But arguing against reality is kind of your thing so I'll let you have the last word with one more lie if you'd like.
You were wrong about the small and the big thing... It's sad that a clear caveat of "or whatever" was used by you to avoid arguing any of the real points being made... So you're a weasel... But all the bron fans are, so it's expected and nothing new itt.
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TLDR: Harden was over 40 once in his career, while Jordan averaged 43.3 and was basically never below 40
Fidstar??
It's okay, no need to respond.. It speaks for itself... And since I have you guys arguing that Harden's peak scoring ability is better than Jordan's, then I think the debate has been won by Jordan fans that he's better than Lebron (since you're arguing Harden now)
The Lakers are lost - specifically Luka and Lebron.... aka "on-ball, off-ball, what do do??".. they have no idea... Their BEST option is to simply play the your-turn-my-turn that their skillsets allow - this will maximize their production together rather than trying gimmicks (trying to play off-ball when they can't and never have)... They won't win diddly the your-turn-my-turn but at least they won't look confused and not sure what their identity is... lol.. this is too easy... But hey, chin up, the Magic and Bulls are tough teams.. It's not like they needed those games or anything to pad for the tougher matchups ahead.
He's shook from my last response to him on the previous page, copied and pasted below:
Nearly a year ago, I predicted that "Luka-ball will be career loser just like Lebron-ball unless he form super-teams"
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthr...
So who cares about his 30/5/5 if someone can predict that his playing style cannot win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player... Not all 30/5/5 is good - don't even bother post that crap if the assisted rate is below 45%, smh... We know that high-scoring ballhandlers (ball-dominators) can't win with normal team and need "super" teams of multiple franchise players.
Oh look, here's Kobe saying that Harden and Luka-style can't win:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eO3tEBqBA...
boom (bye bye)
Montreal went from being a Jordan fan, so blatantly lying about his career.
Now he says that Jordan won many scoring titles with only 28 ppg when 5 of 6 scoring titles were over 30 ppg
This is why I reduced my responses to him due to the lying.
I didn’t lie look it up (if you can) .
1997and 1998 below 30 shrug.
I mean it’s hilarious u believe I am the one having trouble about stats actually .
But it’s ok .
You are delusional but I still believe mj is the goat but clearly not because of your nonsense .
The funny thing I was sarcastic and everyone knew it but you .
And I was using your arguments with your own logic and it end up you thinking I lied lol …
U call you self a liar buddy lol …
I mean you can’t even say if the playoffs , finals or regular season are most important ?
You keep changing was it’s important in every post lol.
Jordan averaged 37 outside the triangle, and he won MVP/DPOY (goat season)... Otoh, Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker outside the triangle because the triangle.Most people don't know that the triangle is specifically designed to get open looks for role players like Pippen, and the "equal-opportunity" offense essentially allows everyone to average the same ppg... i.e. role players like
Amazing isn’t it .
You have your top 10 player curry in the league playin alongside a great KD and couple great role player and they are easily beatable ….
If curry was so great how come they are so easily beatable ?
Imagine harden trash performance was leading them 3-2 with no allstar!!
And Chris Paul got hurt 2 last game lol ….
U got some pretty trashy player in your top 10 huh ….
Can’t even stack up 4 all star on the warrior to beat harden alone lol…
I've put in my diary to reply to this on 24th of July 2045.
Jordan facts.
Jordan held back the development of Grant and BJ. Both All Stars the season after MJ left. He held back Pippen who was a Top 5 player when MJ was retired.
MJ then crushed Rodman who was a Top 15 player the season before he joined the Bulls.
He can't succeed without being carried by Superstar Teammates though they typically underperform statistically because MJ hogs all the shots.
I'm actually not sure. He literally repeats posts all the time. You can see how many posts he deletes. They're all repeats.
I'm like 50% sure he's some sort of bot employed by Rich Paul to help the LeBron = GOAT case.
I didn’t lie look it up (if you can) .1997and 1998 below 30 shrug.I mean it’s hilarious u believe I am the one having trouble about stats actually .But it’s ok . You are delusional but I still believe mj is the goat but clearly not because of your nonsense .The funny thing I was sarcastic and everyone knew it but you .And I was using your arguments with your o
You were an MJ fan and now that I prove Lebron sucks, you're a Lebron fan.
So you have no integrity, whereas I have never shifted my position for over 1000 pages.
You're a leaf in the wind.
And all 6 of MJ's titles required 31 to 35 ppg in the playoffs and 10-30 more than all teammates (max defensive attention), otherwise he was scoring champ im the regular season.. And I don't want to know about your kiddie games with the other posters, so keep that **** to yourself.
Thread Update
After a brief honeymoon of Lebron pretending to be an off-ball player (but actually just going "downhill upon the catch" as the Twolves' coach described, aka gimmick/won't work), the Lakers have devolved into your-turn-my-turn just like I predicted.
History shows that all high-scoring primary ballhandlers (ball-dominators) have high volume of unassisted buckets/solo missions that leave teammates in spot-up roles, thus lowering their assists and producing low-assist teams.. However, Lebron's ball-dominance is even worse because he starts at forward.. The abnormal amount of unassisted buckets and hold-time for the position gives teammates less opportunity to assist and hold-time than they get alongside normal forwards.. Essentially, the spot-up role and assist-lowering effect on teammates that ball-dominators have is multiplied when the ball-dominator plays a normally non-ball-dominant position (any position outside of PG)... Accordingly, Lebron's "frontcourt ball-dominance" is simply the worst kind of ball-dominance that underperforms good rosters the most, such as the most losses ever with preseason favorites, Finals teams, and a record 3 straight losses with homecourt (among bevies of record losses, sweeps, and getting locked up).
Since you love quotes from greats of the era...
Guess who Karl Malone would start a team with from the Dream Team as a teammate? (Taking Stockton out as an option.)
(2:11)
Spoiler
Curious about who he'd take second?
Spoiler
And why?
Spoiler
Jordan gobbles up all the shots (as everyone knows he forces teammates into limited roles).
