Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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The main demand of the student protests are for divestment from Israel. I don't see how that's so radical. It's totally in line with U.S. and international law regarding cooperation with terrorists and states in violation of U.N resolutions. It doesn't even register as background noise at this point, but the settlements are illegal and their illegality is acknowledged all ove
This is probably a mistake, but I will respond to this seriously. The divestment protests WRT South Africa had a clear objective that most people in the West and (black) South Africa were on board with, that is dismantling of Apartheid. Which was a reasonable objective that was ultimately realized.
With Israel on the other hand, if you asked 10 college students what their end objectives are, you would probably get 10 different answers. And many of them would just be completely unreasonable, like ship the Jews back to Poland. And if you asked 10 Palestinians the same question, the answers would probably be even more unreasonable.
You cant get any responsible adults on board your cause because you and the Palestinians are giving them nothing to work with. No clear reasonable objectives to work towards, and a bunch of nonsensical, hateful rhetoric.
This is probably a mistake, but I will respond to this seriously. The divestment protests WRT South Africa had a clear objective that most people in the West and (black) South Africa were on board with, that is dismantling of Apartheid. Which was a reasonable objective that was ultimately realized.With Israel on the other hand, if you asked 10 college students what their end
This just isn't true and I know this because I have gone to protests and I have talked with student protestors. Next to no one is saying anything about shipping Jews back to Poland. The most unreasonable demand is for the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from Israel be give the right to return to their homeland. That would result in demographics which Israel would never allow so that is unrealistic. But the majority want the official policy of the United States, by definition not radical, which is the 2-state solution.
In the short term the demand is for the universities to divest from Israel and for the government to stop complicity in Israel's illegal occupation and crimes against humanity.
These goals are in line with world opinion, what is practically feasible, and what international and U.S. law mandates. Again, I'm sorry, but you can't say people who merely want the law enforced are unrealistic radicals, at least not if you want to make sense.
You cant get any responsible adults on board your cause because you and the Palestinians are giving them nothing to work with. No clear reasonable objectives to work towards, and a bunch of nonsensical, hateful rhetoric.
There are millions of responsible adults around the world who oppose Israel. The goals are very clear as I have outlined for you here. Furthermore, the results are that Israel is losing support across the board but especially among Democrats who support Israel now at 33%.
The Zionist lobby does not share your dismissive views on the student protests. They are controlling the state department into deporting immigrants in legal standing simply for expressing political opinions. You can't say the protests don't matter when the Zionist lobby is going defcon 4 on them, not if you want to make any sense.
Non-citizens who want to live in America for the sole purpose of drumming up support for foreign terrorist organizations are free to do so outside of the US. This is just common sense and not some Zionist plot.
Non-citizens who want to live in America for the sole purpose of drumming up support for foreign terrorist organizations are free to do so outside of the US. This is just common sense and not some Zionist plot.
Except that hardly any of such people exist. Certainly there's been no evidence released that any of the students in custody are Hamas operatives or even supporters.
The BDS movement is a complete joke. All one has to do is look at how much they care about American colleges divesting from countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Maybe they consider those 2 of the most moral countries on the planet, alongside North Korea.
no, its explicitly plotted by Zionists and they literally brag about it.
I was reading about the guy who was lured to the basement of his workplace, a hospital, so he could get renditioned to a torture camp.
all I can think of Sheryl Sandberg repeatedly, tearfully asking her friends "Are you going to hide me?"
no, its explicitly plotted by Zionists and they literally brag about it.
I was reading about the guy who was lured to the basement of his workplace, a hospital, so he could get renditioned to a torture camp.pro Israel people will help authorities apprehend and kick away pro Hamas people and they do something good for society doing that.
but luckily those aren't the only people being deported.
I am not sure why you think a country should host any foreigner who doesn't like that country allies.
if you hate Israel you should look to go live where the government of the country agrees with you
Except that hardly any of such people exist. Certainly there's been no evidence released that any of the students in custody are Hamas operatives or even supporters.
anyone who agrees with Hamas claims even in part is a supporter.
now they might not qualify for the crime of aiding and abetting terrorism which requires material support, but in the normal meaning of the word, if you agree with someone even in part and spend time to make those claims heard to third parties, you are a supporter.
and no person with any sympathy however partial for Hamas should be allowed in any country that is allied with Israel for obvious reasons.
That's preposterous. If Hamas said the earth is round, that would make you a Hamas supporter.
Haaretz and the rest of the Israeli press routinely cite Gaza ministry of health stats on deaths in Gaza. Are they Hamas supporters?
I don't think the IDF should be bombing Gaza. Does that make me a Hamas supporter, even when I say I'm not?
Im sure they were careful to avoid voicing any support for Hamas. they should have just came out and said that Hamas are morally superior to the Israeli butchers.
I’m sure they were careful. When given the TV spotlight, Khalil and his friend both made sure to mention that they are opposed to antisemitism. Meanwhile, their followers were harassing Jewish students and calling for armed resistance by any means necessary.
That's preposterous. If Hamas said the earth is round, that would make you a Hamas supporter.
Haaretz and the rest of the Israeli press routinely cite Gaza ministry of health stats on deaths in Gaza. Are they Hamas supporters?
I don't think the IDF should be bombing Gaza. Does that make me a Hamas supporter, even when I say I'm not?
Do you also need someone to feed you and tie your shoes? Lmao.
Yeah sure the guys who ran and organized protests which voiced support for Hamas aren't Hamas supporters.
The protests co-organized by Jewish Voice for Peace, which is ubiquitous at these events?
Non-citizens who want to live in America for the sole purpose of drumming up support for foreign terrorist organizations are free to do so outside of the US. This is just common sense and not some Zionist plot.
The officials attempting to justify what is clearly a crackdown on free speech have said the individuals have expressed antisemitism and support for terrorists. But they didn't and, for that reason, no evidence has been provided that they did.
It's absolutely a Zionist plot. Zionists own Trump. They control him like a puppet with their money. He does everything they ask without any thought for how it impacts Americans. We've spent over a billion killing a few hundred people in Yemen. Why? How does that help the U.S.? It doesn't. Trump did it because the Zionist scumbags told him to do it.
And we all know this. We all know those targeted for deportation are decent people who are not antisemitic and who have not expressed support for terrorism or terrorists. But for some reason you feel the need to keep running with this ridiculous lie that they are terrorists or something. I guess you will never know the feeling, but it feels good to actually mean what you say. You don't because you know your true opinion, that Palestinians are subhuman and deserve to die just for existing in the first place, is abhorrent. I kinda don't get why you feel the need to keep this going. Your Hitler is here. You don't have to hide how you really feel. Is it like you don't want to get banned or something? But if you have to come in here and lie about your beliefs what's the point?
I’m sure they were careful. When given the TV spotlight, Khalil and his friend both made sure to mention that they are opposed to antisemitism.
right bc they are liberals trying to work within the establishment for "peace" or whatever bullshit. it shows that they arent radical or dangerous or subversive.
no one serious should even countenance that antisemitism is a thing in the USA in 2025 in this context. it should only be referred to as a bad faith cudgel to enable genocide.
Meanwhile, their followers were harassing Jewish students
lol no
and calling for armed resistance by any means necessary.
as anyone reasonable should be.
but its clear the people calling for armed resistance were not followers of Khalil and the other guy.
The obits also failed to note that Pope Francis had personally telephoned the Holy Family Church in Gaza just about every evening since Israel invaded the territory in October 2023 — including the Saturday night before Easter.
Israel’s former ambassador to Italy, Dror Eydar, has accused the late Pope Francis of anti-Semitism and called on the Israeli government not to attend the pontiff’s funeral.
What would you say if I kicked you out of your house, started living in it, and my response to any objection was "Hey I'm just living in a house. What is it about me that I'm can't live in a house without people being so against me?"
I can't even label your comment trolling because it's beyond trolling.
I'd say move on after 80 years and your leaders should have been willing to share.
They haven't taken over Israel by force and only went into Gaza due to a Hamas pogrom. Just the typical different standards for Jews.
right, def didnt take it over by force...
but I do agree that, in your words, there are "different standards for Jews."
right, def didnt take it over by force... but I do agree that, in your words, there are "different standards for Jews."
You are correct, but in the opposite direction. Jews are consistently held to higher standards than most people, especially Arabs.
In the course of human events through the 21st century, there is nothing overtly outstanding about the Nakba, except for the ridiculous manner the world has handled it the last 80 years, guaranteeing it drags on indefinitely.
-- In the Nakba as you stated ~700k people were forcibly displaced.
A short, but not close to comprehensive, list of contemporary modern events include:
-- 900k Arab Jews being displaced in response to this event.
-- 6 million Syrians displaced during their various civil wars
-- 1 million Lebanese displaced during their civil war
-- Indian partition displacing ~10-20 million persons
-- Current Russian invasion of Ukraine displacing somewhere around 9 million
-- Bangladesh civil war displacing ~9 million
-- Yemen Civil War approx 4.5 milion
-- Sudan Civil war approx. 3.5 million
--Lybian Civil war approx 1 million
-- Somali Civil war approx 1 million
