Conclave sweat threat: Who will be the next pope?

Conclave sweat threat: Who will be the next pope?

Pope Francis has left the table. The first Latin‑American pontiff played every street of his twelve‑year run

21 April 2025 at 10:37 AM
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Anyway, this is way more fun than all the pope nonsense. When do we see results?


by Rococo

Post 1 is me or Post 1 is craig?

craig


by d2_e4

Anyway, this is way more fun than all the pope nonsense. When do we see results?

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You are all wrong. Post 1 is me. Post 2 is craig.


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Well ****, bugger me with a fish fork! Well played, Rococo, well played.


See how many of these sayings from Jesus you can pulling meaning from:

There are levels to this reality game people.


by craig1120

See how many of these sayings from Jesus you can pulling meaning from:

There are levels to this reality game people.

I'm not sure this is the gotcha you believe it is.


by craig1120

See how many of these sayings from Jesus you can pulling meaning from:

There are levels to this reality game people.

The human being is like a sensible fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea filled with little fish.

This Jesus guy writes a lot like Rococo. Have we ever seen them both in the same room at the same time?


by Rococo

I'm not sure this is the gotcha you believe it is.

Is your position that Jesus was mentally ill? Or a grifter?

And the simplified social reality you live in is ultimate reality?


Round 2. Which one is craig and which one is me?

The Son of Man did not give us souls. Our souls were always there. We can't see our souls while we are on the path. But the Son of Man can see our souls because he has transcended the path and is looking from a different vantage point.

When the first day arrives, the Son will merge his soul with those who have mastered the path. The union and resulting transcendence will be possible only for those who know in what direction to look. I have glimpsed the light already and now I know how to shield my eyes so I won't be blinded when the moment comes. Most of you have not, and you will pay a terrible price for staring into the sun.

The Son of Man cannot transcend his relationship with the world unless he has another relationship with which to transcend to. That relationship is his relationship with the living Son who has forged the path to paradise.

However, he cannot form union with the living Son without going through his soul, and he will be unable to reconcile with his soul unless he lays down his life and allows his soul to take control of the wheel again.

When the Son of Man lays down his life for his soul, and his soul gets elevated for the work that he did, the first becomes last and the last becomes first.


by craig1120

Is your position that Jesus was mentally ill? Or a grifter?

And the simplified social reality you live in is ultimate reality?

I didn't say anything about anyone being mentally ill or being a grifter.


by d2_e4

Unless this is a pro level, first is craig and second is you.

I thought the opposite, but mostly because of the PH abbreviation in the second passage. I don't know if Craig actually comes up with and uses his own abbreviations like that, but that seems really unusual as something for Rococo to make up.

Edit - I said this before reading the answer.


by Rococo

Round 2. Which one is craig and which one is me?

I'm going to say top Craig and bottom Rococo.

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the top passage contains a brag and a warning, typical Craig. Though of course Rococo knows those as well and could be adding them to trick us, I'm still going with this


I wonder if craig even knows the answer.


by d2_e4

I wonder if craig even knows the answer.

Be for real. I map aspects of reality I have direct access to.

It’s like someone trying to map your house when they’ve never seen it and they’ve only read a few of your descriptions.


From the movie Conclave... great script writing and speech here. Hope this is the actual perspective happening in the real conclave. This is so on point and important, it can't be overstated:

"There is one sin which I have come to fear above all others: certainty. Certainty is the great enemy of unity. Certainty is the deadly enemy of tolerance. … Our faith is a living thing precisely because it walks hand in hand with doubt. If there was only certainty and no doubt, there would be no mystery and, therefore, no need for faith. Let us pray that God grants us a pope who doubts."


by d2_e4

I wonder if craig even knows the answer.

Make your choice for the second one.


by Rococo

Round 2. Which one is craig and which one is me?

The second one doesn't include 'I', so the first one is more craigish.


For round 2 I say post #2!


by FreakDaddy

From the movie Conclave... great script writing and speech here. Hope this is the actual perspective happening in the real conclave. This is so on point and important, it can't be overstated:"There is one sin which I have come to fear above all others: certainty. Certainty is the great enemy of unity. Certainty is the deadly enemy of tolerance. … Our faith is a living thi

It’s always both, not one side of the coin and never the other.

It’s an error to never doubt, but it’s also an error to fear certainty and make an idol of doubt. Progress requires making a stand at certain times and this requires certainty. For example, certainty in what belongs to you.

It’s a good quote except for the fear certainty part. Have an appropriate paranoia but don’t fear.


Mixed responses for this one. Two votes for the top post being craig and one vote for the bottom post. Let's see what d2 thinks.


by craig1120

It’s always both, not one side of the coin and never the other.It’s an error to never doubt, but it’s also an error to fear certainty and make an idol of doubt. Progress requires making a stand at certain times and this requires certainty. For example, certainty in what belongs to you.It’s a good quote except for the fear certainty part. Have an appropriate paranoia but don’t f

I believe the point is that certainty is something to fear..... in others.... so don't have it, because it creates division, and breeds intolerance.


by FreakDaddy

I believe the point is that certainty is something to fear..... in others.... so don't have it, because it creates division, and breeds intolerance.

Are you certain that inclusion is always good?


I flip-flopped a couple of times but I'm going with #2 being craig this time.


by craig1120

Are you certain that inclusion is always good?

"I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

These are the words of the man Christians have vowed to follow.

The idea that division is always bad, or something to always avoid, is anti Christian.

Goodness isn’t so simple as to align itself neatly with your bio-social (political) proclivities. It has to be struggled over.


Man, it's a toughie. I'm gonna go with #1 craig, for pretty much same reasoning as chillrob.

My alternative answer is that it's a level and both are Rococo. Or both are Craig.

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