Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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so you dont believe the headline, but you dont want to bet on it. yep, like I said, the absurdity of your claims is transparent and intentional.
I didn’t say I don’t believe the headline. I said headlines can be misleading and it’s a horrible practice to just post headlines. See, you’re too much of a Jew hater to even read correctly. You’re foaming at the mouth to get a W.
If this is true, itÂ’s a huge testament to how much care the IDF takes to avoid needless causalities.
You know there are videos of the IDF doing all manner of atrocities which are intended to cause needless casualties. I'm sure they are like porn to you.
But why? Why are you evil? Why do you support policies which cause massive suffering and death on an ethnic basis? Is it just because it pisses off people like me and you want to do this to me because I think it's worth making an effort to call trans people whatever gender they want?
I talk online about politics not really hoping to change minds but to try to figure out what could be driving people who are cheering for evil. And it's not psychopathy, not totally anyway. A psychopath wouldn't care one way or another they are just our for themselves and pursue their interests with no concern for others. But mass killing of Palestinians doesn't figure to benefit you in any way. Neither does pissing me off (meaning like the class of Leftists of which I am a member).
Is it because the Left acts like they are smarter than you? Are you somehow feeding some deep seated insecurity by cheering on toddlers being sniper shot? I honestly wish people on the Left wouldn't be condescending. But it seems like part of it, like the way people on the Right hate foreign languages. Honestly what is your grudge against Palestinians? I see what is going on and I'm pissed that my money is taken from me for a purpose I find supremely immoral and criminal. A lot is made of "what do you care you must hate Jews" which we all know is nonsense. But I've never heard it asked why pro Israelis are pro Israeli if not for religious reasons. Is that the case with you? You think the messiah is coming after all the Jews "return" to Israel?
What is the secular justification for being pro Israel? I can't imagine there is any I would believe but try me.
I didn’t say I don’t believe the headline. I said headlines can be misleading and it’s a horrible practice to just post headlines. See, you’re too much of a Jew hater to even read correctly. You’re foaming at the mouth to get a W.
so the assertion by Dun, which I gotta assume you agree with is that
But there are a lot of Islamist and leftist losers in the world, being fed by the outrage machine. And they are currently in a potential civilization destroying unholy alliance, and western liberal elites are just letting it happen.
and heres a link to the source: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/285/p...
for further reference, this is post number 46192 by user Dunyain who is user number 589986 on what is known as the twoplustwo forums, colloquially as 2p2, which is a poker forum that has been around for decades.
here is an inline screenshot, which admittedly could be faked.
my retort showed that a major liberal institution indeed was not in an alliance with the "Islamists" to destroy the West. in fact, this institution was in full support of maintaining the genocide in Gaza to the extent of engaging in civil rights violations.
anyway, I think you (and Dun lol), should provide some citations of this supposed unholy alliance. I wont hold my breath bc well, we both know the absurdity of your replices.
Y’all he’s crashing out because I told him to post a news article instead of a headline, and then misunderstood that as me saying that the headline was false. This is sad Victor. Please take your schizophrenia/antipsychotic medications 🙏
Im not the one that has so much trouble with comprehension that they cant find a simple news article, nor is able to parse a simple straightforward headline.
we have done this song and dance many times. in fact, I have been able to deduce and find and post links to even the most ambiguous statements from the uncited ramblings of Dun and some of the former genocide supporters who no longer post here. thats bc I am not a bad faith troll trying to support mass murder of children in the most pedantic and annoying way possible.
I mean just the other day we did this with you and Doyle where I found a broken link from 3 years ago and pasted it for you guys. did I get a thanks? did you engage in the actual content? no you slunk off into whereever you liberal supporters of genocide go. probably the Fetterman subreddit or something I dunno
Im not the one that has so much trouble with comprehension that they cant find a simple news article, nor is able to parse a simple straightforward headline. we have done this song and dance many times. in fact, I have been able to deduce and find and post links to even the most ambiguous statements from the uncited ramblings of Dun and some of the former genocide supporters
I’m not asking for citations of everything you say. I’m telling you it’s bad practice to post headlines to articles instead of the article in full. Now you’re conflating issues.
Y’all he’s crashing out because I told him to post a news article instead of a headline, and then misunderstood that as me saying that the headline was false. This is sad Victor. Please take your schizophrenia/antipsychotic medications ��
This is their playbook. They make a ridiculous claim or post something clearly misleading. Then when pushed for a source they go apeshit calling you names like baby killer or Zionist or freak. Look at the paid actors screaming at democratic politicians while saying nothing to the repubs in charge right now. They are lunatics. They neutered their own political good will and isolated themselves from the only politicians who give a little **** about their cause and then blame it on everyone else that the Palestinian’s situation has deteriorated.
That’s not the standard I hold to. It’s a dangerous region with lots of terrorists, many of which hate Israel. I don’t think there is hardly anything that Israel can do to achieve that which wouldn’t hurt some of their other goals and values.
Bring back the occupation before you do that imo…
I said like 10 7 or worse, which requires a lot of terrorists to be able to enter by land, which can only happen from gaza / WB.
There isn't a way to make it impossible for a foreign visitor to commit an act of terror, or for foreign countries to send missiles and so on.
But it is possible to make another 10 7 or worse impossible, simply by removing palestinians from the area.
For now it looks like Israel plan is to expand the no-go, militarized buffer and to surveil it 24/7 in the future to avoid another 10 7. But yes it's plausible they also need permanent occupation to avoid having hundreds of rockets sent a few years from now.
At that point, just sending the palestinians away would be more than reasonable for Israel. As to the question of "who should take them", well there are plenty of "cousin" countries (same ethnic/cultural/religious makeup as the "palestinians") that should take them in, even by force if necessary.
And if no related countries wants them, surely we cannot blame Israel which is alien to that culture for wanting to get rid of them as well.
yes the leaders of the European nations want to genocide the Palestinians. I cant think of a single country that isnt helping the genocide.
Can you provide a quote of any Euro nation leader actually saying this? Or an official doctrine, enshrined in legislation? How is my country, helping the genocide, for example?
If you can't provide these things to support your claim, then it's just more of your bad faith petulant teen style bullshit.
This is one of the right's favorite cliches. It's untrue and deeply moronic, of course, but such things have never dissuaded Dunyain.Hard times create BROKEN men (and women, but I'm not sure where they fit in within your reactionary scheme). Hey, take a guess, which kind of economic and family life did the overwhelming majority of serial killers and spree killers come from?
The worst serial killers in history (by far) were the communist leaders of the various regimes + some other dictators on the right/far-right.
Basically all of them came from normal (for their time and place) middle class economic and family life.
Pol Pot is probably the worst human being of all times (at least in terms of how big of a % of his countrymen he caused the death of voluntarily). His father was an upper-middle class land owner.
He got a western (french) education. Went to Paris to study after the war, never working before he was 30 years old.
He got radicalized in Paris while wining, dining and ****ing living as we imagine "trust fund" kids degen today do.
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Fidel Castro family history was basically identical: upper-middle class land owner as a father. Western style education, law school (at a time when it was *rare* and a golden ticket to prosperity to study law).
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Pinochet family was vanilla urban middle class
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Mussolini family was 100% urban middle class, father a blacksmith, mother a teacher. Father was a radical violent socialist revolutionary of course.
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Lenin family was 100% urban middle class, he managed to attend university (when it was *rare* and a golden ticket to the upper middle class). Got a law degree (already automatically allowing for a top 10% lifestyle, if he hadn't been a morally horrific violent revolutionary).
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Both Mao and Stalin came from under average (Economically) families but didn't suffer anything serious in their childhood and were on the path for a normal middle class life before they entered the list of "10 worst human beings to ever live".
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Hitler was 100% urban middle class, father was a customs officer
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So basically no, it's absolutely false that the worst monsters humanity ever generated of which we have biographical details came from "broken" situations or became monsters after experiencing true horror personally or at the family level.
Rather quite the opposite: it's inevitably basically almost intellectually mediocre (but not terrible) people with a boring and placid lifepath option in front of them, who instead choose horror.
That what creates monsters: boredom and envy
Israel's security cabinet has approved a plan to expand its military offensive against Hamas, which reportedly includes capturing Gaza and holding the territory.
Don't worry. Now that the Houthis/IRGC have closed Israel air space and are ratcheting up the pressure, Israel will have no choice but to run away with their tail between their legs.
God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
Curse be upon the Jews
Victory to Islam
Can you provide a quote of any Euro nation leader actually saying this? Or an official doctrine, enshrined in legislation? How is my country, helping the genocide, for example?
If you can't provide these things to support your claim, then it's just more of your bad faith petulant teen style bullshit.
Ireland allows its airspace to transport weapons used in the slaughter. there is also unconfirmed evidence that Shannon Airport is used as well.
Ireland allows its airspace to transport weapons used in the slaughter. there is also unconfirmed evidence that Shannon Airport is used as well.
Tánaiste Simon Harris has denied that airplanes carrying weapons destined for Israel have been using Irish airspace.
Appearing on RTÉ’s The Late Late Show on Friday night, Mr Harris was asked if Irish airspace was being used to transport weapons destined for Israel. He responded: “I don’t believe it is.”
When host Patrick Kielty said there were reports that Irish airspace was being used to transport weapons for Israel, Mr Harris replied that “we’ll obviously need to see if there’s more that needs to be done in relation to that. The information available to me is that people need to seek consent before any such flights take place and there is no information available to me in relation to that happening.”
You said:
yes the leaders of the European nations want to genocide the Palestinians
Please provide quotes of Euro leaders, including the Irish Taoseach saying this. How is Romania helping what you claim is a genocide? Or Spain? Or Andorra? Or The Vatican or San Marino or Finland?? You're the one making the dumbass laughably stupid claim so back it up with something more substantial than "um, allows airspace, unconfirmed reports something something" if you wish to be taken seriously and not derisively chortled at.
corpus vile objection to your point was and is that some european countries have leaders that actually are as pro hamas as you are, Ireland being one of them (another is Spain).
No, the leaders of "some European countries" aren't "pro-Hamas", they're anti-genocide and perhaps anti-Zionist. Hamas just happens to be the only force around resisting the IDF.
Ireland is known for its solidarity with Palestine and other oppressed peoples. They got their own taste of colonialism and conquest from the English back in the day. They're not (necessarily) pro-Hamas, they're opposed to those committing genocide, aka the mass-murderers you support.
No, the leaders of "some European countries" aren't "pro-Hamas", they're anti-genocide and perhaps anti-Zionist. Hamas just happens to be the only force around resisting the IDF. Ireland is known for its solidarity with Palestine and other oppressed peoples. They got their own taste of colonialism and conquest from the English back in the day. They're not (necessarily) pro-H
So vic is therefore full o' shite when he claims "yes the leaders of the European nations want to genocide the Palestinians" glad we got that sorted.
So vic is therefore full o' shite when he claims "yes the leaders of the European nations want to genocide the Palestinians" glad we got that sorted.
SOME of them many want to remove the Palestinians or at least are passively ok with it. I'm not sure, honestly, I'm no expert on the levels of Zionism amongst European heads of state. Massively more importantly, did I mention every European nation, most European nations, or LITERALLY ONE?
Anyway, I disagree with Vic about stuff fairly often, maybe you should consider that all of your enemies aren't literally the same guy and can in fact hold differing opinions on numerous issues!
I can't remember the conclusion of the last time we talked; do you accept the confirmed and established fact that Israel is committing genocide, or are you still angry at the dictionary?
SOME of them many want to remove the Palestinians or at least are passively ok with it. I'm not sure, honestly, I'm no expert on the levels of Zionism amongst European heads of state.
most countries are sending weapons and aid to Israel to help with the extermination campaign. others like Ireland or Spain are allowing their ports and airspace to be used. I would be surprised if any countries arent contributing.
its not passive. its active material support for mass murder of children.
SOME of them many want to remove the Palestinians or at least are passively ok with it. I'm not sure, honestly, I'm no expert on the levels of Zionism amongst European heads of state. Massively more importantly, did I mention every European nation, most European nations, or LITERALLY ONE?Anyway, I disagree with Vic about stuff fairly often, maybe you should consider that all
Well vic said he couldn't think of any Euro country that wasn't helping "the genocide" and that "the leaders of the European nations want to genocide the Palestinians".
Now I personally don't agree with my country's pro Palestinian stance, but they hardly wish to genocide the Palestinians.
And hellz no, Israel aren't committing genocide. Of course they can be subjected to critique, but I regard genocide accusations as bad faith hyperbole and don;t take anyone seriously who engage in such accusations.
most countries are sending weapons and aid to Israel to help with the extermination campaign. others like Ireland or Spain are allowing their ports and airspace to be used. I would be surprised if any countries arent contributing.
its not passive. its active material support for mass murder of children.
It's mainly the US and Germany. The UK supplies less than 1% of Israel's military imports and last September they suspended licences for components of F-16 and F-35 fighters, helicopters, drones, naval equipment and targeting systems because these would be used against Gaza. Britain is one of the countries Netanyahu can't visit at present because the government says it would recognise the ICC arrest warrant against him.
most countries are sending weapons and aid to Israel to help with the extermination campaign. others like Ireland or Spain are allowing their ports and airspace to be used. I would be surprised if any countries arent contributing.
its not passive. its active material support for mass murder of children.
Stop moving the effin goalposts vic, you said every Euro leader wants to genocide the Palestinians, so it should be easy to provide a quote of any Euro head of state saying this.
You can't cuz this is just your usual hyperbolic horseshit.
UK is flying routine spy missions out of Cyprus to pick out targets in Gaza
and previously they flew a lot of planes around Lebanon
