British Politics

British Politics

Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

01 June 2019 at 06:29 AM
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by corpus vile

Brexit opportunities!

The EU is India's biggest trading partner and hopes to conclude an FTA this year, but we'll see. It's certainly useful that the UK has managed to agree one.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2025/03/...


It's ironic that the silly arguments made against brexit somehow collapse into mocking leavers while the serious argument that was barely made i. e they we need to be a full part of the EU able to stand up to USA, China, Russia etc. have become vital so quickly.


by chezlaw

It's ironic that the silly arguments made against brexit somehow collapse into mocking leavers while the serious argument that was barely made i. e they we need to be a full part of the EU able to stand up to USA, China, Russia etc. have become vital so quickly.

Rejoining the EU doesn't look likely in the near term, but increasing alignment looks inevitable.


Rejoining is going to be hard. Not least because all the deals we sign tend to be incompatible.


Full membership is out of the question for the foreseeable. Individual programme creep is happening and will continue up to a point, hopefully eventually to include a CU deal.


by chezlaw

Rejoining is going to be hard. Not least because all the deals we sign tend to be incompatible.

we also don't love Muslim majority countries (see turkey) joining so you need to be quick


Definitely happy we're rejoining the scientific and educational parts. But pffft to rejoining an anti-democracy to fight other anti-democracies.


by diebitter

Definitely happy we're rejoining the scientific and educational parts. But pffft to rejoining an anti-democracy to fight other anti-democracies.

I'd agree with that but don't agree that's remotely the case


Would you agree it's an anti-national democracy organisation?

(consider stuff like Primacy of EU Law in that answer)

If you don't, no point arguing about it, I don't see it as anything else.


In a similar sort of way as 4 countries formed the UK or various kingdoms formed england. Except its looking to the future rather than the past.


I'm typically in the "let's not read too much into this until we're <1 year from an election" team, but it's hard to ignore.


by chezlaw

In a similar sort of way as 4 countries formed the UK or various kingdoms formed england. Except its looking to the future rather than the past.

So you're more a United States of Europe guy than nation states coordinating.

I'm fine with someone who believes in that, though I fundamentally don't, but it's the whole dishonesty/underhandedness of the EU as this as a goal that I despise. If they were at least honest so people in Europe can decide democratically what they're getting, I'd be fine with that too. I'm a democrat, fundamentally.

I don't like shady, backroom deals. And I do not like results of referenda ignored or rerun until the EU get the 'right' answer.


Dishonesty and shady backroom deals. Sounds so unlike Westminster.


by diebitter

So you're more a United States of Europe guy than nation states coordinating. I'm fine with someone who believes in that, though I fundamentally don't, but it's the whole dishonesty/underhandedness of the EU as this as a goal that I despise. If they were at least honest so people in Europe can decide democratically what they're getting, I'd be fine with that too. I'm a democ

I'd like a very different model to the usa but basically yes.

I quite like the Lisbon treaty model with two chambers. The directly elected parliament and an elected head of nations council. Obviously still embryonic biut seems like a good approach to me


by jalfrezi

Dishonesty and shady backroom deals. Sounds so unlike Westminster.

We can choose not to vote people in based on their past record. Not so with EU law framers and tehcnocrats.


by diebitter

So you're more a United States of Europe guy than nation states coordinating. I'm fine with someone who believes in that, though I fundamentally don't, but it's the whole dishonesty/underhandedness of the EU as this as a goal that I despise. If they were at least honest so people in Europe can decide democratically what they're getting, I'd be fine with that too. I'm a democ

Keep in mind the "reruns" were decided on a country basis, it wasn't the EU forcing them at all. It's the leaders in specific countries that completly disregarded the will of their people and delegated major powers to the EU without having democratic approval to do so locally.


I bet starmer has been advised to be very careful not to be seen holding a piece of paper


See UK... it's not that hard to fall inline.
Welcome to the clan Brits.


It was the long established position we cemented with brexit. The usa says jump ...


by chezlaw

I bet starmer has been advised to be very careful not to be seen holding a piece of paper

Not sure what piece of paper that would have been as he was in London.

It seems that the ever ghastly and ghoulish Peter Mandelson was present.


Any old piece of psper will do. They just need a pic

Yep. Mandleson is back. Blair is also squirming out of the shadows as we saw with his net zero bile. Starmer will probably feel the knife one day although I doubt he will see it coming.


Streeting is apparently still their heir-apparent and waiting to be helicopter-dropped in when things look too grim for Labour, ready to do battle with Reform to see who can be more loathsomely far right.

But he was brought up in a council flat so he knows everything about normal people.


They may need to find him a much safer seat




by chezlaw

It was the long established position we cemented with brexit. The usa says jump ...

What was Starmer supposed to do? Not do a deal??

I think Trump needed this deal more than Starmer, but either way the optics are very good for both countries. Trump is there for 4 years whether we like it or not, so it's incumbent on Starmer to make decisions in the national interest.

The flip side is he could take the David Lammy approach, call him names and then bask in the approval of the seals clapping on the left. If he did this often enough, they might even sing his name at Glastonbury, but overall I think it's better to give people in the car and steel industries some security in their jobs.

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