Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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shows that they know the people they target arent militants. they said this guy was Hamas or something and then let him leave.
I read the article. You literally made that up. All he said was his clearance was delayed for a week.
Also LOL saying this person was "targeted." He literally said was the busride out of Gaza was the first time he had ever seen any Israeli troops. And he was quickly transported through Israel to Jordan with no issues at all.
Sounds like Israel should be praised for following the rules of law with such efficiency and professionalism. Could you imagine Russia allowing an anti-Russian Ukrainian activist/journalist in Russian occupied Ukraine release to study in Ireland? Of course not. This person would have died in a labor camp in Siberia a long time ago. If not just shot and thrown in a pit in whatever town he lived in.
Also, I would say brainwashed Palestinians like him are the problem, not the solution. He literally refers to Israel as "Occupied Palestine." Good luck ever creating a functional society filled with people that think and talk like that.
Zionists were agitating to assassinate him for months. we saw the same pattern play with 100s of other journalists. but the fact that he was able to gain clearance and leave without issue shows that Israel knew he wasnt a militant.
Also LOL saying this person was "targeted." He literally said was the busride out of Gaza was the first time he had ever seen any Israeli troops.
didnt know that you need to see soldiers to be targeted.
Could you imagine Russia allowing an anti-Russian Ukrainian activist/journalist release to study in Ireland? Of course not.
Russia releases Ukrainian nationalists all the time. they released Azov boys all the time.
He literally refers to Israel as "Occupied Palestine." Good luck ever creating a functional society filled with people that think and talk like that.
right, I kind of agree. its much easier to just live in fantasy land and do what master says.
Multiple Western Press Outlets Have Sudd...
Opinion from the Financial Timess Editorial Board: 'The US and European countries that tout Israel as an ally that shares their values have issued barely a word of condemnation. They should be ashamed of their silence, and stop enabling Netanyahu to act with impunity.'
The India-Pakistan issue actually highlights how absurd the whole "Occupied Palestine" narrative is. Partition happened pretty much at the same time Israel was created. And we can pretty much all agree that over 70 years later any Indian nationalist movement that refers to Pakistan as "occupied India" and calls for it all to be reconquered is stupid and counterproductive.
At some point you have to accept reality. And the world continuing to accommodate and promote such stupid, counterproductive rhetoric among Palestinians is extremely counterproductive IMO.
The Economist and Financial Times have spent the last year and a half publishing one sided articles to unilaterally pressure Israel/Netanyahu to end the conflict on Hamas terms. While having nothing bad to say about Hamas and their backers. There is nothing sudden about either of those outlets taking this stance.
right, I kind of agree. its much easier to just live in fantasy land and do what master says.
No one refers to Istanbul as occupied Constantinople. And it isn't because they are bowing down to their Muslim masters. It is because such rhetoric divorced from reality is just dumb and counter productive.
Modern day colonialism is wild.. only thing more wild is people still defending it.
It highlights the parasitic nature one certain country has on the US and ability to control the narrative for the past 75 years.
It’s the only way to explain why people would defend the indefensible position. We must have been propagated to even get to this place. Heck I may have been on the wrong side of this argument about 20 years ago due to this. I don’t even blame someone who’s under the spell. Forgive them for they know not what they do kinda thing.
No one refers to Istanbul as occupied Constantinople. And it isn't because they are bowing down to their Muslim masters. It is because such rhetoric divorced from reality is just dumb and counter productive.
what indigenous group of people was cleansed from Istanbul and is not allowed to return and when did it happen?
what indigenous group of people was cleansed from Istanbul and is not allowed to return and when did it happen?
Constantinople was a multiethnic majority ethnic Greek city until it was conquered by Muslim Turks. Over the centuries there have been several pogroms and ethnic cleanses of non Muslim Turks from all of what we now call Turkey, including Constantinople/Istanbul, until it is now almost completely a Muslim Turk religious ethnostate.
Conversely, Arab Palestinians are roughly 20% of the population of Israel; and there are over 2X as many Arabs living in the lands of Israel then there were in 1947.
So in one case we have a real genocide and ethnic cleansing, and the other a fake one.
when were the Greeks expelled from Constantinople? are their ancestors allowed to return to Constantinople?
Conversely, Arab Palestinians are roughly 20% of the population of Israel; and there are over 2X as many Arabs living in the lands of Israel then there were in 1947.
are these people allowed to return to their ancestral homes in the West Bank or Syria or Lebanon? to visit family still living there?
Modern day colonialism is wild.. only thing more wild is people still defending it. It highlights the parasitic nature one certain country has on the US and ability to control the narrative for the past 75 years. It’s the only way to explain why people would defend the indefensible position. We must have been propagated to even get to this place. Heck I may have been on the wro
its bc the liberal values of pragmaticism, harm reduction, and all that is beaten into our heads. also the idea the Western White Nazi Empire is so powerful that resistance if futile and suicidal is intentionally promoted.
the fact is that rolling over for these people is far worse than resisting. they will never fulfill an agreement or a treaty. look at how they treated the Native Americans and Africans for centuries.
when were the Greeks expelled from Constantinople? are their ancestors allowed to return to Constantinople?
are these people allowed to return to their ancestral homes in the West Bank or Syria or Lebanon? to visit family still living there?
Vic, I'm begging you to maybe read a few wiki articles on the history of modern Turkey before arguing that ethic cleansing of the Greeks in Turkey didn't happen.
what indigenous group of people was cleansed from Istanbul and is not allowed to return and when did it happen?
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you said Turkey lol.
anyway, I looked it up, and while I remembered that the Greeks were not cleansed from Istanbul/Constantinople during the genocide despite mass murder in other areas, I did not realize that they were subsequently deported in the 60s.
regardless, I dont see how this makes what Israel is doing acceptable.
Yes, we should have condemned the expulsion of Greeks from Istanbul (and Turkey more broadly) for sure.
But that ship has sailed.
As it would have sailed in Israel decades ago if not for Iranian and Arab intervention to sustain the most extreme elements of Palestinian resistance.
That constant whataboutism is unhelpful to the discussion. The solution was, is, and always will be to disarm Hamas and force Palestinians to realize resistance is futile and they must recognize Israel is there to stay. Then there will be peace.
Or would have been. The Palestinians, especially Hamas, have done a damn good job convincing a lot of Israelis that co-existence isn't possible so they might as well take the PR hit and annex everything.
Without annexation and outright expulsion, given that we've allowed extremism to fester in Gaza and the West Bank for decades and over half of the population, in Gaza especially, grew up on Hamas propaganda, Israel really may just have to beat the Palestinians up over and over until Iranians/Arabs get tired of supporting Hamas and Israel gets a window to negotiate real peace.
The wild thing is that pretty much the only people in Gaza that actually look like they are/were being intentionally starved are the hostages, including the ones that were executed because they had been starved to the point they could no longer walk. So the choice was to leave them where Israel would most likely rescue them or execute them, and Hamas chose execution.
Everyone in Gaza is starving, except for the fighting age males.
you said Turkey lol.
anyway, I looked it up, and while I remembered that the Greeks were not cleansed from Istanbul/Constantinople during the genocide despite mass murder in other areas, I did not realize that they were subsequently deported in the 60s.
regardless, I dont see how this makes what Israel is doing acceptable.
Seconds ago I read of Greek-speaking Christians expelled from Anatolia after WWI.
Everyone in Gaza is starving, except for the fighting age males.
You don't know that, you have no info channels into Gaza, you don't care about accuracy.
Addressing the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Netanyahu said Israeli forces are “destroying more and more homes” and that the “only inevitable outcome will be the wish of Gazans to emigrate outside of the Gaza Strip”, Maariv reported.
In his speech to the committee, Netanyahu also referred for the first time to controversial US-Israeli plans for distributing aid in the enclave, saying that Palestinians would only receive aid if they did not return to the areas from which they came.
You read it here first. If Israel allows resumed aid, it will only be to those agreeing to leave their homes.
Such a lame response. You don't have any source of any sort on Hamas' current caloric intake.
