2025 WSOP!!
I know it’s early and normally I’m not excited about WSOP this soon after but dang it, I’m itching to go back already!
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It's pretty bad and gg is misleading the prizepool on wsop+ as well. They are posting the prizepool before staff fees making it look bigger than it is. Effect is larger on the smaller buyins.
Pretty much this was what I was thinking. I’m prob just going to wait and hear what others say after the first few events.
Other passing thought I had was of potential delays using PayPal, in particular with re-entries. I’d obv want my seat right away if I re-enter, but what if PayPal with credit card takes a few hours to go through?
I don’t think I’ve ever experienced delays in payment processing through PayPal. But obviously this is a bit of a novel circumstance. I kinda wish GG had their act together a little better. They’ve had a lot of time to iron out any kinks and also provide clear, concise instructions with all standard questions answered. But here we are again in 2+2 land speculating.
It's pretty bad and gg is misleading the prizepool on wsop+ as well. They are posting the prizepool before staff fees making it look bigger than it is. Effect is larger on the smaller buyins.
That’s wack.
Very simple to confirm. Look at any event and see what they do what with the "prizepool" in the app.
They did this the past 2 years in Bahamas so it's not really a surprise but very misleading.
It's even worse for gtd that miss, not that wsop will miss any since they don't really gtd many for the summer series. But their super main was 50million*
It really paid out 50million minus the staff fees. (I don't recall what it was but if it was 3% then it was 48.5million that they paid out)
Where's other venues would pay out the full 50 million (or consider it 50million and they cover the staff fee) (e.g wynn for the 40million)
It's even worse for gtd that miss, not that wsop will miss any since they don't really gtd many for the summer series. But their super main was 50million*
It really paid out 50million minus the staff fees. (I don't recall what it was but if it was 3% then it was 48.5million that they paid out)
Yeah, it became super sketchy a couple of years back when they are deducting from the guaranteed prize pool, on top of the staff fees, the free dinner buffet vouchers (without a dedicated price tag on each of them) + other promotions (I fail to recall, but several free hotel rooms were handed out, as an example). They met almost all guarantees (minus one, if I recall correctly...), so they did not end up deducting such fees from the guarantees, but the (fallback) plan was definitely put in motion...
All historical bracelet event pages have been removed! E.g., don't bother clicking this
. now include everything under the GGPoker sun. There's no way to just see total bracelet event data as WSOP, WSOP Europe, WSOP Asia-Pacific, WSOP Paradise Island, and Online are all separate.This is exactly the opposite of what I was hoping would happen when GGPoker took
Yes, it is quite strange to go to WSOP.com and see Martirosian, Astedt, and Mateos as the top 3 all-time earners. It's early days, but it feels like the first step in commingling the WSOP brand with all things GG, which is a slippery slope for a brand (WSOP) that is already diluted. Even as someone who came up through the online streets, I don't consider online bracelets to be real. I think we're headed for even more bracelet inflation and more online offerings that leverage the WSOP branding. This was always expected when GG bought the brand, but they have to be careful not to Disney Star Wars this. When something exclusive becomes pedestrian, it loses some of what made it special.
Yes, it is quite strange to go to WSOP.com and see Martirosian, Astedt, and Mateos as the top 3 all-time earners. It's early days, but it feels like the first step in commingling the WSOP brand with all things GG, which is a slippery slope for a brand (WSOP) that is already diluted. Even as someone who came up through the online streets, I don't consider online bracelets to be
Interestingly, I only just noticed that Hendonmob’s WSOP Bracelet leaderboard does NOT include online bracelets, while Cardplayer’s leaderboard does 😵.
Couldn’t find ring leaderboards on either of them… just Circuit money list.
Been doing a little digging re: using a credit-card-backed PayPal account for WSOP entries. The long and short of it is, I don’t think it’s clear what will happen in all circumstances.
I don't know what digging you've been doing because you seem to be talking out of your behind. I bought in like 15 events (over $30k buyins) already with CC via Paypal without any fee and it's not considered a cash advance - you just pay the balance normally as you would.
In fact, Kevmath stated today pretty clearly you can directly use a CC without any fees https://x.com/Kevmath/status/19231514194... not just via Paypal and that makes sense.
They're trying to get more people in, adding 3% fees would be a deterrent.
Very simple to confirm. Look at any event and see what they do what with the "prizepool" in the app.They did this the past 2 years in Bahamas so it's not really a surprise but very misleading.It's even worse for gtd that miss, not that wsop will miss any since they don't really gtd many for the summer series. But their super main was 50million*It really paid out 50million min
While I do get your concern, to be honest the last thing I'm worried about is the guarantees for bracelet events they always will be extremely large events and extremely soft comparative with other events at the same price point. A 3% gimmick on a very optimistic guarantee in the Bahamas isn't the end-all be-all of a series. Also Nevada runs other types of gambling regulations than Bahamas so that's another thing to keep in mind.
I don't know what digging you've been doing because you seem to be talking out of your behind. I bought in like 15 events (over $30k buyins) already with CC via Paypal without any fee and it's not considered a cash advance - you just pay the balance normally as you would.In fact, Kevmath stated today pretty clearly you can directly use a CC without any fees
The digging I did was investigating PayPal’s policies on certain types of transactions, and the same for credit card companies. If your personal experience with this process was as you stated, then great. Hopefully that is the case for everyone. It would certainly make choosing PayPal a benefit to players in several ways. I would just caution people to monitor their transactions carefully. Unless Busto23 is now responsible for managing all of the credit card issuers’ policies and actions, I don’t think one person’s experience is enough to claim a process as gospel.
As for Kevmath… I’m not sure why you would take issue with statements I made prior to his announcement. Of course, if the WSOP has changed its policy and will not be charging a fee for CC transactions, then this is great news, and even more incentive for players to go that route. Still, there are tons of credit card companies out there. It’s hard to believe they will all treat these transactions the same exact way your credit card company did. People should just be vigilant to avoid unexpected expenses.
BTW, it will be interesting if electronic transactions become the norm. If they do, I imagine cash payouts will become rare, and perhaps even be eliminated as well. I wouldn’t personally mind, but I’m guessing there are some players who prefer the cash route.
Bro you're making stuff up about things you haven't experienced. I've been depositing every summer on WSOP online client using Paypal since 2017. Paypal is a safe method of payment *IF* you only use it for legal purposes.
Moneymaker (which I am friends with) and other people that have had their paypal accounts closed used it to run an (allegedly - they're still litigating) illegal betting league. EG monkeymaker was escrow for some sort of fantasy league that was running. This is very different than using paypal for a legal accredited gambling establishment in Nevada.
While the fees are subject to change obviously I find that extremely unlikely for this year. There is no more a $3 flat fee for using your TBA at Paris, so you can load in person $2500+ if you don't want to deal with online methods.
Also you don't have to go through paypal to use ur CC, you can just do it right now on the app directly right now. If you go through paypal they're going to pop up as Paypal *nsuslimited in your CC statement.
Refund for the ticket is instant and goes back to the method of payment.
All historical bracelet event pages have been removed! E.g., don't bother clicking this
. now include everything under the GGPoker sun. There's no way to just see total bracelet event data as WSOP, WSOP Europe, WSOP Asia-Pacific, WSOP Paradise Island, and Online are all separate.This is exactly the opposite of what I was hoping would happen when GGPoker tookThis is horrible !!!
What is the intention behind it .
WSOP management is saying “we hate players let’s make their life miserable. So they stop visiting & Playing WSOP. So we can take it easy”
Makes no sense of removing Structure Link from the page!!
Genius at work !!!
Here is update from Kevin Mathers “I’ve been told they’ll post ‘all-in-one’ structure sheets soon. “
Bro you're making stuff up about things you haven't experienced. I've been depositing every summer on WSOP online client using Paypal since 2017. Paypal is a safe method of payment *IF* you only use it for legal purposes. Moneymaker (which I am friends with) and other people that have had their paypal accounts closed used it to run an (allegedly - they're still litigating) ille
What about Galfond?
Are the structure sheets for WSOP 2025 just gone with the new site? The old links no longer work.
I don't know what digging you've been doing because you seem to be talking out of your behind. I bought in like 15 events (over $30k buyins) already with CC via Paypal without any fee and it's not considered a cash advance - you just pay the balance normally as you would.In fact, Kevmath stated today pretty clearly you can directly use a CC without any fees
How solid / sustainable is the 0% credit card fee? Of course it makes marketing sense to have a 0% fee, but it was always 3% in recent years ... and the main WSOP news page still has that listed (
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I'm wondering whether the 0% is a short-term "offer" or even a glitch that won't stay in place when the series gets underway properly - and hence I am wondering about pre-registering some bullets (which I rarely do just in case I can't travel etc)
However - if true - great news and will for sure bump up numbers at the margin.
As in a single PDF with the structure for all 100 events? That's so dumb. It's 2025, this just isn't hard folks. As witnessed by the site they just took down, which was 10 times better than this new garbage. I mean, the PDFs all exist already, it should be trivially easy to put a link to them back on the schedule.
And what about all the history from previous series? Is that gone forever now? It was a wonderful archive of information. I know I made a habit of looking at the updates from previous years to get an idea of what percentage of the field made it to days 2 and 3 of events, when the bubble burst, etc.. That's enormously useful in planning my schedule.
Oh yeah, and in case you thought you'd contact them to let them know the new site blows chunks, forget it. The Contact Us page directs you to [email protected], which returns an Address Not Found error. Nice.
As in a single PDF with the structure for all 100 events That's so dumb. It's 2025, this just isn't hard folks. As witnessed by the site they just took down, which was 10 times better than this new garbage. I mean, the PDFs all exist already, it should be trivially easy to put a link to them back on the schedule.And what about all the history from previous series Is that gone f
This is going for long time. I definitely believe , there are Trojan Horses in the corporate system. Who are succeeding !!
Yes, it is quite strange to go to WSOP.com and see Martirosian, Astedt, and Mateos as the top 3 all-time earners. It's early days, but it feels like the first step in commingling the WSOP brand with all things GG, which is a slippery slope for a brand (WSOP) that is already diluted. Even as someone who came up through the online streets, I don't consider online bracelets to be
ROFL!
The digging I did was investigating PayPal’s policies on certain types of transactions, and the same for credit card companies. If your personal experience with this process was as you stated, then great. Hopefully that is the case for everyone. It would certainly make choosing PayPal a benefit to players in several ways. I would just caution people to monitor their transaction
Instead of bundles of cash on the final table of the Main, there might just be a thumb drive?
BTW, you guys arguing about paypal, etc are mostly Americans, right? Why not just use ACH to pull the money directly from a bank account, fee free?
Bro you're making stuff up about things you haven't experienced. I've been depositing every summer on WSOP online client using Paypal since 2017. Paypal is a safe method of payment *IF* you only use it for legal purposes. Moneymaker (which I am friends with) and other people that have had their paypal accounts closed used it to run an (allegedly - they're still litigating) ille
Bro. You’re being argumentative for no reason. At least with me.
I never said PayPal wasn’t safe. I never said anything about Moneymaker’s issues with PayPal as they have nothing to do with what I posted. I never said there weren’t a variety of ways to register for the WSOP.
I’m not sure what your experience with WSOP.com under prior ownership has to do with this summer’s series in Vegas, but whatever. You be you.
I urge others to pay attention to their CC-backed Paypal transactions to make sure they are not being treated as cash advances. If you or anyone else doesn’t care to do so, that’s fine.
I doubt any international players would be eyeing conversion fees from Paypal to convert their own currencies to $USD ; Luxon Pay is definitely the way to go internationally, imho.
I was / am looking at Luxon (which I have used in London) but with a 2% fee to convert to USD in app it will be cheaper for me to use a Debit Card directly which has no FX conversion fee. So I hope the 0% card fee lasts ... I see the news that the zero fee is "currently" being applied. I don't understand why they would change it during the series but the language they are using suggests that it might.
