Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Remember when the NYT released a long winded article about the IDF having a systemic policy of sniping children in the head and when pushed to reveal their sources and allow experts to verify the evidence they refused? It’s strange that they’ve since buried such a ground breaking story, almost as if it was a false narrative that they unwittingly published.
Yup those were the ones. And they refused to allow experts to take a look at the “evidence”. Since publishing that story it’s been all but forgotten, almost as if it was never true. Thanks for reminding us. I am surprised that you and Bill even read the NYT. Surely it’s some form of Western Leftist Zio Colonialist Supremacy Nazi Genocide Advancing propaganda.
Since publishing that story it’s been all but forgotten, almost as if it was never true.
Almost as if there's a hasbara within the Times. Remember when they wouldn't let the Quakers (IIRC) run an ad cuz they said "genocide?"
There is often a big gap between editorial management and reporters on the scene, so some things still get through.
BTW, the sources were medical personnel who would be subject to being murdered if they were identified.
Yup those were the ones. And they refused to allow experts to take a look at the “evidence”. Since publishing that story it’s been all but forgotten, almost as if it was never true. Thanks for reminding us. I am surprised that you and Bill even read the NYT. Surely it’s some form of Western Leftist Zio Colonialist Supremacy Nazi Genocide Advancing propaganda.
how are you so wrong about everything?
The New York Times Company
and yes ofc the NYT is Zionist trash that manufactures consent for genocide by genocide. thats how I know whatever is going on is far worse than these articles have described. I also know this bc its very easy to read accounts from people in Gaza.
Aight, you were a zealot but now it's just lol.
PB's smurf account ?
this stuff isnt hard to find
Almost as if there's a hasbara within the Times. Remember when they wouldn't let the Quakers (IIRC) run an ad cuz they said "genocide?"
There is often a big gap between editorial management and reporters on the scene, so some things get through.
BTW, the sources were medical personnel who would be subject to being murdered if they were identified.
Btw, most of them identified themselves and had no worry about being murdered if identified. Also the fact that no other news source, including ones holding deep anti-Israel bias have touched the story since, should tell you something. If you can turn on your brain for a few seconds you’ll be able to come to the logical conclusion. Hint, it’s not some Hasbara scheme.
Also kind of laughing at the statement “there’s a Hasbara within the times”. I get the feeling Hasbara is a word that only terminally online people with very little knowledge of the things they speak on use.
when pushed to reveal their sources and allow experts to verify the evidence they refused?
Btw, most of them identified themselves
hmmph
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/un...
I take it the counter link is moar hasbara?
And verify the evidence. You’re really great at responding to selective bits and pieces of what people say. It’s been a long time since anyone has mentioned or thought about that article. As I said, it was buried and forgotten about after being lauded as a ground breaking revelation.
Lol if something is not critical enough of Israel it is Hasbara, if it is anti Israel it is a verified, trustworthy news source. Sometimes a source can be both or none, or maybe just one and it can change in an instant! Those sneaky Hasbara.
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/un...
I take it the counter link is moar hasbara?
People can read both links and decide for themselves. They should know that the ADL helped spy on American college students protesting South African apartheid in the 80s. Also, their leader Greenblatt likened the keffiyeh to the swastika and defended Musk's "salute".
And verify the evidence. You’re really great at responding to selective bits and pieces of what people say. It’s been a long time since anyone has mentioned or thought about that article. As I said, it was buried and forgotten about after being lauded as a ground breaking revelation.Lol if something is not critical enough of Israel it is Hasbara, if it is anti Israel it is a
Literally just addressed this with a screenshot and a link where the NYT explicitly says they did indeed do this.
People can read both links and decide for themselves. They should know that the ADL helped spy on American college students protesting South African apartheid in the 80s. Also, their leader Greenblatt likened the keffiyeh to the swastika and defended Musk's "salute".
They should also know that some NGO's making the organ harvesting accusation are permeated by Hamas supporters.
ADL also condemned Musk's subsequent nazi jokes.
You can't function without twisting words.
Christian end-timers are the bigger part of the hasbara in the U.S., see the article on the Heritage Foundation's Operation Esther linked above. They are the ones chiefly attacking students.
how are you so wrong about everything?
The New York Times CompanyNot wrong about anything. Like I said, they refused to identify who verified any of the evidence and refused to release the evidence to allow it to be verified. Since being pushed on this, they’ve buried the story. People with working brain cells can figure out that there was never much behind the story in the first place and has been all but forgotten by even the most staunch anti Israel advocates.
ok lets roll tape:
Doyle: NYT didnt reveal the sources
Fact check: the sources are identified in the article with only a few exceptions (6 out of 45). Doyle subsequently admits this.
Doyle: NYT didnt verify the evidence
Fact check: The NYT indeed claims it verified the evidence and even sought confirmation from outside professionals. Doyle subsequently admits this.
Doyle: but ahah! They did not name the fact checkers and release the evidence publicly.
keep on moving those goalposts bc somehow that matters in the face of overwhelming evidence.
oh lets not forget
Doyle: The NYT buried the story.
Fact check: The story exists and is easy to find on the NYT website. I would not consider that buried nor would anyone who understands plain English. If you would like an example of burying a story, look at how the NYT podcast "The Daily" treated the rape hoax article. They didn't run the podcast. It does not exist. It got buried.
I asked you for a cite on this claim and you told me to do my own research which hasn't been at the top of my list. You seem pretty convinced so I'm fine to take you at your word but I'm not going to cite it myself without reading some stuff first.
I With much of the Arab world integrating into the world economy and transitioning from young to middle aged demographically, it will be interesting in the coming decades to see if there will be as much interest in keeping The Resistance propped up. The older and more integrated they become with the developed world, the last thing Qataris and Saudis will want is a real revolut
A lot has changed over the last 1,500 years but anti semitism and Jews being persecuted has stood the test of time. I'm not holding my breath.
I asked you for a cite on this claim and you told me to do my own research which hasn't been at the top of my list. You seem pretty convinced so I'm fine to take you at your word but I'm not going to cite it myself without reading some stuff first.
--Well, Qatar being the number one foreign donor to US Universities isn't even a question. Even Chat bots will tell you this. Here is a NY Post article on this. I am in a hurry, but could easily provide a more "credible" source if time that would say the same thing.
"Qatar donors easily contributed the most to institutions, at $2.7 billion, though England was second on the list and provided $1.4 billion.
About $1.2 billion flowed from China and another $1.1 billion came from Saudi Arabia, per the report. The UAE reportedly contributed $431 million. "
--Kind of wild that 3 of the top 4 foreign govt donors to US universities have zero interest in what one would call liberal higher education. At least China has interests in (stealing) technology. Qatar and UAE don't even have this. It is all just undisguised influence peddling.
--A couple other articles addressing general Qatar influence peddling in the US and Europe.
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/qa...
How Qatar Spent Billions to Gain Influence in the U.S.
--And that is just the US. Same thing going on in Europe (and Israel), that has had several document "Qatargate" over the last couple decades, and probably the rest of the world where it wouldn't even be a scandal. Just business as usual.
The Qatargate Files:
Hundreds of leaked documents reveal scale of EU corruption scandal
Evidence from the European Parliament's graft investigation provides a record of more than 300 alleged attempts to manipulate EU democracy.
A lot has changed over the last 1,500 years but anti semitism and Jews being persecuted has stood the test of time. I'm not holding my breath.
Hitler died for the sins of the West and we have been able to transfer all of the guilt onto the Palestinians. truly a remarkable feat of Empire propaganda.
Further reason to doubt the NYT buried a front page story:
It had 45 sources. It was such an incendiary story they over-proved it.
Doyle's right they haven't been referring back to it or doing followups. But that's the Times management defaulting to Zionism, not shame about an "unproven" story.
