The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched

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22 July 2008 at 04:53 AM
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by Slugant

You can say "if you see 30 AA in a row"... but you didnt, you never showed 30 simultaneous hands. You just show screenshots of AJ being behind against AK 3 times in a row like it means something.And you say 469 hands is enough to prove its rigged 99,99% LOLOLthen 40k cash game hands and 11k tournaments (probably over 500k hands) definitely prove 100% you are a very clueless mic

Man, when I get something as easy as 30 AA in a row I will contact you. All the over "types" of rigging the game is not your level of understanding the game, sorry.

"then 40k cash game hands and 11k tournaments (probably over 500k hands) definitely prove 100% you are a very clueless microstakes loser at all sites and games"

Lol, what a lie. I have seen TeflonDawg shown I'm lifelong winning player.


More then that, It's fun to here that, since I played a rigged game. It's fun, really. Even if I lost those tournaments, in a rigged game? Does it make any sense, man? Lol, any logical deviations? Can you compare information?


by Johnmir

Lol, I have played Omaha few times in my life, didn't want to mix it with Hold'em, not to lose concentration on the concrete gameplay, but How did you manage to lose 100,0% equity all-in? 😃Am I right, did you lose it?Yes, I know, the situation is tough. You reacted before simply read me attentively 😉Have to admit, my message was too long for you. Too much concentration neces

In some jurisdictions in theory i suppose the provider could run a different software than the certified one which is a much much bigger undertaking then you seem to think in others not.

In some jurisdictions there are constant checks if the software used is actually the certified one.

by Johnmir

When I started to communicate to different authorities I had a huge experience in communicating between companies. But, yes, I haven't got any knowledge about the situation in gambling business, that's true. But the question is - have you got it? And is it possible to influence on the situation somehow?I do not see any hints from you regarding this. The only comprehensive idea

I have a lot of knowledge about the gambling business. I have been working in gambling for 10 years now. I even used to work for one of the companies you accuse of rigging although I was just custmer support.

I havent worked in poker for a a long time though.

It will be very hard for you to be taken seriously as there are a lot of people that seem to believe there is rigging all that i have met so far are just crazies that have no idea what they are talking about.

My perception of you is the same and I am saying that not to insult you but just as a fact. This perception is something you will struggle with as the people at the regulator will perceive you the same.

I would suggest getting in touch with the testing labs. I think they will be more open to discussing your findings and help you but your doubts to rest although they also might just ignore you.

When it comes to regulators you need to identify the right one. Curacao and Anjouan just dont care.

You need to make sure that the regulator you write to is actually the one regulating the specific operator.

For example the UKGC will not comment on an operator regulated by Curacao.

The biggest problem I see here is that you are in an unregulated jurisdiction. There is a good chance that even if you identify the correct regulator they will simply tell you dear Johnmir as you are not a participant in the market we regulate we unfortunately cant help you.

Your best course of action would be to find a reputable member of the poker community to doublecheck your data.

If you convince a reputable person it will help you have more people take the time to do a deep dive on your data.


by Johnmir

Pity you forgot to mention a concrete mistake. And, of course, you would, if you could.

There are many concrete mistakes. Which i named before but you read very selectively.
Your data is skewed because you use small samples (the ones that fit your story) instead of the bulk of hands
The analysis is done by someone with brain damage and the dunning-kruger syndrom
The data is not checkable by any means and therefore will never be seen by any authority as proof or evidence. You just put in numbers in Excel and expect us to think that is the truth. But actually trustworthy data like your mined hands you completely ignore because they tell you are a loser.

by Johnmir

"then 40k cash game hands and 11k tournaments (probably over 500k hands) definitely prove 100% you are a very clueless microstakes loser at all sites and games"

Lol, what a lie. I have seen TeflonDawg shown I'm lifelong winning player.


More then that, It's fun to here that, since I played a rigged game. It's fun, really. Even if I lost those tournaments, in a rigged game?

You know your opponents are also playing the same rigged game??? How can you not beat them??

The screenshot from TD shows you winning on party before June 2019 (6 years ago). After that is it all a steady decline downhill. Add to that we cant see how much you've lost on stars because you wont opt-in. But the ability-score of 57 tells us you are losing there. Add to that you lost at the cashgames with a staggering rate so at best you are overall breakeven.
But the story remains, before 2019 you've won some money over a small sample. In the last 6 years (and 500k+hands) you've actually lost while playing the micros. This ladies and gentlemen is a professional level player 😃😃

by Johnmir

I still try to understand what your intelligence level is.Guys, can you explain me - a guy says "if you see 30 AA in a row... but you didn't". Means he realyzes that 30 AA hands in a row looks like a 100% (almost) rigging.But right after this phrase he says - "469 hands is enough to prove it's rigged - LOL."I mean, is he able to think logically? Any problems there?Guys, I mean,

30 hands show rigged if its 30x AA. But what needs to happen in 469 hands for you to "prove" its rigged. You losing??? Because that happens over 500k+ hands as well, that isnt that strange. I wonder if you cant grasp the english language or are you actually that stupid. Let me answer that for you: Yes, you are. All your results prove this.

Have you already googled the dunning-kruger effect poor silly John? And do you see any resemblence of it in yourself?

And why do you keep ignoring this question, can't your delusions come up with a ridiculous claim about this one too?

by Slugant

Explain to me this John.If you winning at sample X but losing over sample Y, why do you think that is proof that sample X is correct and sample Y is rigged against you???With 100% the exact same logic and reasoning it proves that sample Y is correct and sample X is rigged in favour of you!Especially since sample Y is 25 times bigger and therefore way more accurate than sample X


The more year I play the less random I actually think it is. I am not saying it's rigged, but so weird to me how awful players online can do so well for a session but it's something u almost never see live. Like I say I don't believe any sites rigs any game to make a certain player win or lose. Just odd to me how so many awful players win a session


by jungmit

The more year I play the less random I actually think it is. I am not saying it's rigged, but so weird to me how awful players online can do so well for a session but it's something u almost never see live. Like I say I don't believe any sites rigs any game to make a certain player win or lose. Just odd to me how so many awful players win a session

I think you see that happening live as well. At least in my local casino I've seen terrible players win sessions, just like i have online. It might be a bit of confirmation bias.

Imagine that even Linus wins 55%-60% of his sessions. If a terrible player runs hot they are very likely to win that session. Maybe unexperienced players are easier to read live and thats why they win a little less often but I strongly feel the gap isnt that large.

It would be concerning if a terrible player doesnt just win a session but wins over a large sample


But if you took Linus verse a group of terrible players live I bet he almost never loses. He only wins about 55% because he's playing against other top players. But my point is those same low limit players that play terrible in live poker are the same guys you're playing online they're not a different group of people. They just won miraculously hot online


pretty funny comments


by jspill

pretty funny comments

clearly all professional level players 🙂



As a result of 220+😮 pages of discussing on the Russian forum we managed to perform several tests, some of the assumptions were adjusted, guys. I have prepared a pretty big final post regarding all the statistical analysis (proofs of rigging) with a final result – 99, 999 999 998% confidence level for iPoker is rigging the game by implementing non-random algorithms to manipulate the game.

And this post will be also presented here soon. I have already translated all the materials into English. It’s finally coming.

by donjonnie

In some jurisdictions in theory i suppose the provider could run a different software than the certified one which is a much much bigger undertaking then you seem to think in others not.
In some jurisdictions there are constant checks if the software used is actually the certified one.

Well, it should be like that, DJ.

Look, Party is registered in Gibraltar (it was like that, don’t think it changed)
Pokerstars – in Malta.
iPoker – in Curacao.

All 3 – are rigged and I got proofs for this. I just decided to start from iPoker, since it’s rigged in a crazy way… So, it looks like they (the rooms managers) got cool “agreements” with those authorities.
And it can be a problem until other nations/countries make political pressure.

by donjonnie

I have a lot of knowledge about the gambling business. I have been working in gambling for 10 years now. I even used to work for one of the companies you accuse of rigging although I was just custmer support.I havent worked in poker for a a long time though.It will be very hard for you to be taken seriously as there are a lot of people that seem to believe there is rigging all

Well, DJ, you have got a right for the personal opinion, so it’s normal, that you don’t consider my information valuable.

Can be interesting to work in the gambling sphere btw, but I’m not sure they are “soft” towards their stuff. Is it a good job, really interesting? Are you satisfied?

DJ, all of you are not any good in analysis. Really. I have already read this speeches about the “sample size”, while all the modern world works according to the concrete statistical rules, poker players are too much incompetent in assessment of information. To be fair, I’m surprised to see this, since you play according to players statistics.

Yeah, look, I contacted UKGC regarding Playtech PLC, not regarding iPoker (RSP Entretainment N.V.). And they have answered at least.
Well, it’s a problem of the society, not only mine one. We will see.
You are probably right in question of next steps. Finding some “valuable” person in poker world. But I’m not sure I will manage to interfere this task into my personal aims of other spheres of life.

I expect some Gambling supervision authorities to be professional enough to recognize a professional analysis which complies with corporate standards of reporting financial risks. So, I still leave some chances that it will work and those bodies will start to act.

by Slugant

And all the evidence (your lifetime results at poker and your basic understanding of poker and variance show the exact opposite. Either you are misreprenting yourself (like a scammer would) or you are delusional about your results (the dunning-kruger effect which you so clearly embody)

Man, NOONE here care about my gaming results, if he does – my info is not for this kind of players. I just warn the community about a huge fraud. Lol, it’s your right to take it into account or to ignore!

by Slugant

1. Your deep knowledge of the game led you no further than 10nl and micro sng's.

1.We will test my skills in poker (offline). And I will send you “hi!” from the final WSOP TV table a bit later. “Hello, Slugant, my maaaan!” 😃

2. Lol, man, your life experience is too small, since you can’t recognize mentally confident, reasonable people. Have never had problems with nerves (almost never tilted, always played to the end, being concentrated on my decisions). If you played a fair game you would understand – it’s important actually. Since it’s not enough just to open several tables to start winning. And we will also test it when a fair online poker age comes.

I do not play microstakes, man, last time I played microstakes to build a bankroll was… 2007th. And I made from 2$ won on a freeroll of Absolute Poker. Then got to 2500$ on Bet365.

I have only played micros for a year. Noone will ever play micros for more then two years.
It’s crazy that you don’t understand that. More then that, you don’t understand that to win micros you just need to play at least somehow. You don’t even need to know the game. So, it looks extra strange I lost on iPoker ))

It’s a pure fun, that they went that far to rig this all in some crazy way, when some pro level player comes to micro and simply can’t win it in case he doesn’t keep necessary bankroll level/several tables in game/etc.

BUT – the software behavior was exactly that I wanted to get. As a result we managed to receive a comprehensive law violation evidence. In case software didn’t try to own me that hard, and I didn’t resist properly, we would never get that rigging with all the cards opened.

by Slugant

Your data is skewed because you use small samples (the ones that fit your story) instead of the bulk of hands

Slugant, I have got 40K hands of Partypoker. So what?

Look, you are that silly, so you don’t even understand that I opened MY OPPONENTS HANDS and the game appeared to be rigged in such a crazy way, that I decided to publish this small sample, instead of publishing 80 times bigger one.

Because competent people realize that this all about chances, but not about distance. You are not clever enough to realize it, pity.

by Slugant

The data is not checkable by any means and therefore will never be seen by any authority as proof or evidence. You just put in numbers in Excel and expect us to think that is the truth. But actually trustworthy data like your mined hands you completely ignore because they tell you are a loser.

I love this comment of you, because you still can’t open the materials.

Russian guys have already checked all the data , but you are still moaning about “raw data”, “excel shits, lol” and anything else, since you are not able to work with the info. Have no idea how can I help you 😵, since I have already posted all the stuff

by Slugant

You know your opponents are also playing the same rigged game??? How can you not beat them??

And here, again, you simply unable to work with information.

Seriously, no kidding here. You are playing average stakes. But you don’t understand primitive stuff –

6800 tournaments played
-106$ profit
0,46$ avg. stake
My ROI is -106 / 6 800 / 0,46 = -3,4%

Commission of the room differs from 8% to 10%. Mate, I beaten the players, but we all lost due to the commission of iPoker.
Lol, you don’t even need to know THAT easy stuff to win online, nowadays. Crazy, simple economics.

by Slugant

30 hands show rigged if its 30x AA. But what needs to happen in 469 hands for you to "prove" its rigged.

Look, guys, Slugant is only able to recognize rigging in case of extremely often AA hand been dealt. It’s his IQ level maximum.

For others –
First time (ever) I opened opponents hands on iPoker for us. I spend a day checking every hand to gather stats. And it appeared that software simply put me and my opponent into the flop according to a pure non-random algorithm. It doesn’t even smell random (I will present all the materials later, now - I just show you the checked and discussed results)


Then I tested this with some player once again, and we see just the same once again, the same algorithm –


16 of 23 flop hittings? On 450 flops distance? WOW.
9 of 56 flop hittings? On the same distance. Awesome. Good buy theory of probabilities.

Then I decided to test that the software does really provoke a tight player to join the flop –


And then, I decided to keep testing this –


On a distance of 173 hands we get this “run” of flops been hit?😮 -


It looks like a "joke" even for me (i'm pretty experienced in working with large data samples, and have already seen many "deviations" and "anomalies", but this one is really awesome for a "first test" 🤐).

For Slugant - You need to learn something easier before you join school once again - in case you haven’t finished one yet.

by jungmit

The more year I play the less random I actually think it is. I am not saying it's rigged, but so weird to me how awful players online can do so well for a session but it's something u almost never see live. Like I say I don't believe any sites rigs any game to make a certain player win or lose. Just odd to me how so many awful players win a session

Jungmit, in fact, just try to push 73o hand, and watch, what will the software of your poker-room deal you? AK? JJ?

Right after some weak player commits a huge mistake, software starts to put him on a strong hand again and again before he manage to get chips back to become an equal player. It’s exactly how it works. And I have already described several tournaments to comment the algorithm model of the rooms.

I mean, you are totally right, weaker players got the same chances to win as you do. After significant mistake they immediately get a positive wave of hands.

by Slugant

I've seen terrible players win sessions, just like i have online.

Hahah – “terrible players win sessions” -> “just like I have online” Finally. I can sleep well now, couldn’t believe you are not a terrible player since you didn’t manage to calculate a primitive ROI stuff, nor check the material links

by Slugant

Imagine that even Linus wins 55%-60% of his sessions. If a terrible player runs hot they are very likely to win that session. Maybe unexperienced players are easier to read live and thats why they win a little less often but I strongly feel the gap isnt that large.

Man, if you were a high level player – you would know how huge the advantage of a professional player in a random game 😉 Just funny to hear this. You haven’t got a clue about the game strategy and you are not even close if you say this.

I can believe you are sure that online poker on iPoker is random… Rigged game - is your level, man!

by Slugant

clearly all professional level players 🙂

Well, hard to say about you… I’m not quite sure about TD, also. But he is better, got some chances to improve. You – I don’t know, I try to believe you could play well some day 😃 (Lol, I hope TD understands it’s a joke, he seems to be a confident player, actually. Would be nice if he knew that the event probability was the key measure of the variance… Not the distance…😉


by Slugant

Explain to me this John.If you winning at sample X but losing over sample Y, why do you think that is proof that sample X is correct and sample Y is rigged against you???With 100% the exact same logic and reasoning it proves that sample Y is correct and sample X is rigged in favour of you!Especially since sample Y is 25 times bigger and therefore way more accurate than sample X

10th time you ignored this question. Your demons really cant think of an excuse answer for this one?

by Johnmir

Man, NOONE here care about my gaming results

Then why always introduce yourself as a professional level player?? Why not as a professional level fraud detector.

by Johnmir

Commission of the room differs from 8% to 10%. Mate, I beaten the players, but we all lost due to the commission of iPoker.
Lol, you don’t even need to know THAT easy stuff to win online, nowadays. Crazy, simple economics.

To beat poker you have to beat your opponents and the rake duhhh. At microstakes it shouldnt be as difficult, especially for a professional level player 🙂
But you also lose -20bb/100 which isnt as high as the the rake, so you actually lose to microstakes cash game players. How embarressing.

I already said countless times that your excel sheets dont mean anything but you dont seem to grasp that fact. Anyone can make an excel sheet with their data. If I show you an excelsheet where it says that player Johnmir has won 100 hands in a row does it mean you control the RNG?? You keep ignoring raw data but its the only kind of data anyone would listen to.

by Johnmir

I do not play microstakes
I have only played micros for a year.
We will test my skills in poker (offline).

More lies that can be easily disproven. The screenshots of your mined hands (so you cant edit or cut them like you like it) show you never played higher than 10nl and over your last 11k tournaments the avg stake was €1.50 (quite micro to me). The last mined ipoker 10nl cash games hands are from 2023 (so 16 years apart from what your remember). As micro tournaments you were playing $0.50 sng on stars in 2021 (14 years apart from what you believe to be true). But the craziest thing is: Even you though you are certain you already have proof on ipoker you keep on playing $0.50 sng's there till this day!!! And losing at that as well. If you dont consider 0.50 sng's micro, that says a lot about you.

But John, I'll take you up on the first offer. You live in Russia so we are not going to play live obviously. But you constantly say things like "You haven’t got a clue about the game strategy" to me. And thats fine John, but now lets put your money where your mouth is.

You claim you are a professional level player and I am a terrible one, so winning should be easy for you. Dont chicken out like MRP did.

You can choose the site we play (they surely cant be all rigged right?) And even if they are rigged, that affects both of us. But you know the algorithm and I dont, so thats another huge advantage you have.

Lets play 25k hands HU preferably at 500nl (i will be ok at 200nl). I know you have played those stakes before even though they magically never turn up when I search for you name online.

Must be easy money for someone of your caliber against this braindead poker player who doesnt even understand the RNG.... So John, which site and when do we start? I can start tomorrow


Hi guys! I'm Russian and I'm writing through a translator, so forgive me if there will be mistakes.

Johny, What's wrong with my nickname? Am I not telling the truth? I'm here so you can't lie.

I want you to have an understanding and what he was talking and writing about on the Russian forum.
First of all, when he says WE on a Russian forum - he's lying. No one believes his arguments and does not take them seriously.
Slugant, he's been offered hu repeatedly and turned it down. At first they even tried to help him and offered him free tuition. He's not gonna play you for anything in his life.
JohnMir first joined Red Star's Russian chat room on Telegram. He was banned after 2-3 months of flooding, but he thinks he was banned for being a danger to iPoker.
An interesting case was when JonMir was asked what his winrate was. And he went to google to find out what a winrate. LOL. REALLY
Also JohnMir before the Russian forum did not know what flopzilla, icemizer and solvers and GTO. 2025

I also want to show you one of his calculations. The table is in Russian, but I have translated the important points
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Look at lines 227, 237, 243, 250.
in them we see: Q9o, 97o, 83o, KQo
they all have a top-pair combination on the flop ( топ пара in russian)
now look at the odds of these combinations. They all have a 17.5%
That is, according to JohnMir both 83o and KQo have the same chances to be top pair on the flop

and these are the real odds
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If there's anything you'd like to know, just ask.
p.s. admin Mike? on the Russian forum JohnMir says that the moderator 2+2 supports him and that the guys from your forum have evidence of dishonesty of other rooms


LMFAO


HAHAHA nothing about that surprises me tbh but its been a fun read
Johnmir has made numerous claims and all of them have been debunked.
But he keeps on having delusional thoughts, the main one being that he is actually a professional level player but he is losing at microstakes only because every site is rigged.

It makes sense to me that a lunatic like him thinks he is being banned because he is "a danger to ipoker" instead of his constant unfounded rantings. I play midstakes on iPoker where i play against a lot of Russian regs who seem to trust ipoker and actually do pretty well there.

That he doesnt know the basics of poker and maths has been proven every time he posted something, only confirmed by his awful results in poker. His excel sheets never made any sense and seem like the workshop of a serial killer only in the world of online poker.

Its quite funny that he mentions here that he has many followers on the Russian forum and on the Russian forum mentions that he has many followers here. I dont know if he is purposefully lying about this (i would hope so) but it could very well be the case that his disease has gotten the best of him and he actually believes it. Mike haven one time was obviously trolling him with a random list of flops but he saw it as conclusive evidence LOLOL

I know the HU challenge will not go down but maybe, just maybe, for one exclusive time John will actually put his money (if he has some) where his mouth is. I am not even a HU player and he is an expert level tournament player (with a negative roi at the micros though) so he must have had many HU battles. He is also an expert risk analyst so he would only deduce he can easily beat me🙂

Furthermore he also claims he to be an expert tennis coach. But if you do a simple check on him none of this is true... obviously. John is a very sick individual and needs help but he will never accept it. It must be very lonely and confusing being Johnmir.


by JustJoke

Am I not telling the truth I'm here so you can't lie.

Yes, you are lying. The first accident was, when you said about a Russian text I have shown to 2+2 members that I lie. You obviously used the fact, that most part of players don't know Russian. Here is this moment, you say -

by JustJoke

Lies. In Russia it is forbidden to organize gambling if there is no license. That is why all poker (and not only) sites are blocked. This letter and the Federal Tax Service says literally: "Thank you for informing us. In accordance with the law ... "we have blocked the addresses of the sites. It has nothing to do with IPoker's dishonesty and nothing to do with your alleged evi

My answer -

by Johnmir

I type."Here in Russia they have already blocked several "mirror"-sites of Red Star Poker due to my message. But it's here, in Russia. I can't be active there in GB.""утвержденным приказом ФНС Россиио

One more time it appears you are lying and I will have to ask Mike to ban you. And this is starting now.

Could you provide screen shots in Russian, where I say, that "the guys from your forum have evidence of dishonesty of other rooms", please?

Regarding "on the Russian forum JohnMir says that the moderator 2+2 supports him".

I only said that -


"На 2+2 форуме мне лично модератор помогал оформлять тему и советовал, где разместить подобный контент."

Guys, you can Google-translate this phrase, it means "On 2+2 forum, moderator personally helped me to illustrate [Mike gave me an advice how to upload the youtube video on the forum] the topic and where to upload the materials [which thread the information should be posted on]".

This phrase was given by me as an answer to a strange statement of some guy - "He was already banned on several forums", rofl. The guy decided to lie about me for a reason i'm speaking about a fraud in the room he earns money in.

by JustJoke

Johny, What's wrong with my nickname

It's disrespectful.
It says - "I don't talk to members of the forum seriously, don't take their words seriously. Just fooling around".

Guys, any other opinions regarding the nickname, am I wrong?

In fact, I would say, cause of people like you Russian people lose their image of decent persons. You come here and start accusing your fellow citizen lying about them. Just a shame, seriously.

Guys, don't think all the Russian are behaving like that, please. Same as I do understand that every country of you got it's heros and "anti"-heroes, like everywhere else.

by JustJoke

No one believes his arguments and does not take them seriously.

It's a lie.
More then that, it's fun to say this, having 227 pages of discussion in the thread.


Lol, we discuss this 227 pages cause my arguments was not taken seriously? Nice observation skills for a poker player. You are an Ace.

by JustJoke

JohnMir first joined Red Star's Russian chat room on Telegram. He was banned after 2-3 months of flooding, but he thinks he was banned for being a danger to iPoker.

Well, I understand, that you are a lier but, still, I answer here -


After some guy uploaded this message, where I publish my text to The Russian Taxation Service about the fraud of iPoker, and I was banned in the Red Star Poker's telegram chat in 1-2 hours after 3 months of talking there. I mean, should I think that I was banned for some flood? Or may be i'm still banned from Red Star Poker's (iPoker) forum for accusation of the Company?

Simply stupid comment of you here.

by JustJoke

Look at lines 227, 237, 243, 250.
in them we see: Q9o, 97o, 83o, KQo
they all have a top-pair combination on the flop ( in russian)
now look at the odds of these combinations. They all have a 17.5%
That is, according to JohnMir both 83o and KQo have the same chances to be top pair on the flop

and these are the real odds

Did you see the result of this calculation?

It's the first calculation -


Where I use "average values" for top pair or better 17,5% irrespectively to a concrete starting hand.

And this is another calculation, where is use estimations for every concrete starting hand, suggested by Russian forum user - Iva.


Did I warn you, that the probability of the result will be reduced? I did.

Did it reduce? It did.

Any more questions?

Well, guys, you can ask this guy. But he doesn't even understand the topic we discuss here nor on the Russian forum.


by Slugant

It makes sense to me that a lunatic like him thinks he is being banned because he is "a danger to ipoker" instead of his constant unfounded rantings.

It's a lie obviously. Lol, they kicked me in 2 hours after this guy published my accusation in the chat. Would they keep me in Red Star Poker chat? Man, don't be as stupid as JustJoke is.

Try to type in the room's chat "The game is rigged and I reported this to the Gambling supervision authorities". And watch what will happen in 1 hour. I mean - are you adequate believing this guy. Don't make me think you are an adult kid.

by Slugant

I play midstakes on iPoker where i play against a lot of Russian regs who seem to trust ipoker and actually do pretty well there.

How many tables do you play in average? And how many tables do those regs play? 3/4/6? Cool. Then you are genius players having salary for being active in the room. Good job at poker gaming, wow!

by Slugant

Its quite funny that he mentions here that he has many followers on the Russian forum and on the Russian forum mentions that he has many followers here.

Could you, please, "quote" my words about "followers on the Russian forum"? Just copy my phrase about that.

Guys, how could I said that, since we all know that most part of forum players are earning money taking part in the scam. OF COURSE I haven't got many followers on the Russian forum. They didn't "like" my post with no even reading my report - and it was a special case. They didn't even read, but disliked the post. But only after they decided to watch materials.

Send my phrase about followers on the Rus forum, Slugant, please.

It's crazy, that you just lie, and you keep being sure, that you don't look to be interested in the scam to continue. You ARE interested in the fraud. It's a fact, it's obvious. What is the sense to discuss rigging with you, man? It's a forum, yes, you can just tell lies, type any bullshit? But what is the sense if you just earn money taking part in the scam?

by Slugant

but he saw it as conclusive evidence LOLOL

Could you, please, "quote" my words about his post and that I took it as the evidence?

by Slugant

It must be very lonely and confusing being Johnmir.

Here - this is just funny comment, because it's too far from the reality, funny to read this comparing to my real life ))
It's amazing that I managed to join forums once in 20 years, because I'm too active in a real life... But It's nice that I met some interesting people here, may be we will manage to meet someday, would be cool!


John I am saying this as politely as I can.

You might not perceive interactions you have in the same way the people interacting with you do.

You seem to either willfully or because of your personality missunderstand peoples intentions.


by Johnmir

You obviously used the fact, that most part of players don't know Russian

You know a lot of 2+2 members actually follow the gypsy poker forum because its a good source of info. And with google translate everything we read is understandable, even though not in perfect english. So we can actually read which one of you is right... and guess what, its JustJoke.

by Johnmir

In fact, I would say, cause of people like you Russian people lose their image of decent persons. You come here and start accusing your fellow citizen lying about them. Just a shame, seriously.

John, this is what you do all the time! Everyone that has not agreed with your still (and forever) disproven statements has the IQ of a child or is shilling for the pker sites which are of course all rigged. The only difference is that JJ's "lies" turned out to be the truth and your lies were actual lies that were easily debunked.

by Johnmir

Lol, we discuss this 227 pages cause my arguments was not taken seriously?

This thread has almost 100.000 posts and nobody takes you seriously. You cant twist everything to a form you like John. By that logic we should all be following advice from Paisting because his thread is one of the most read. People read your thread because your delusions are both funny and concerning.

by Johnmir

Where I use "average values" for top pair or better 17,5% irrespectively to a concrete starting hand.

John, you consider yourself an expert poker player and analyst. You should know better than to use average odds. This is very low level stuff.

by Johnmir

Yes, since I consider the game in Pokerstars, in Partypoker and in iPoker rigged, and I got a pure proofs of rigging for them, I suppose, that the game on Stars/Party was rigged to my favor. It's more then possible.

You should read your own sentence again and re-evaluate your stance on this whole mess.
"pure proof" --> "i suppose" "its possible"

by Johnmir

When I say "I'm a professional level player", and Russian guys have already known - why. Because my knowledge of poker is really deep. I don't say this because of my results in the game.
It's my estimation of my gaming level comparing to other players.
In fact, it's simply impossible to test your real gaming level online

You simply cannot see your skill level and your results as 2 disconnected things, it just doesnt work that way. I can say I am the best footballer of all time even though I never scored a goal, people will debunk me with the results. You simply cannot be an expert level player who never was able to beat to micros. Just like there are no long-term HS winners who are amateur level.
The only conclusion here is that your estimation of your gaming level is just wrong. Because it actually is very possible to test your level online. Play, beat the games and move up.

by Johnmir

I will just lie - if I say i'm not a pro level player. It's just not true. I'm not an amateur player.

John, saying things like this only proves the fact you are delusional because everyone out there can check this. Its not a particularly good lie. In the last 6 years you've been a loser at tournaments and cash games even though you never played higher than 0.05/0.10. This fits the profile of an amateur player 100% and the profile of a professional player 0%. Again, the assessments you make of yourself and your skill levels are wrong, you have to start accepting that.

by Johnmir

Anyway, i'm going to make a post here on 2+2, where I will attach hand history files. You will see them. In 1-2 days.

John, ive said this countless times. You dont need to post hh's. Because you will only select the ones you like for your narrative. You post screenshots of 450 hands even though online we can check 500k+ tournament hands and 40k cash game hands. We dont need your hh's so dont bother. Instead, do your analysis on the entire 540k+ hands that are publicly available.

by Johnmir

But decided to leave online poker, cause it's not that profitable as I expected

Its never been for you. But also, you didnt leave online poker. According to sharkscope, you are still playing 0.50 sng's every week. And not doing a great job at them btw.

by Johnmir

Look. I got a hard ingury.
I don't wanna play and "guess" if "this hand is determined by the software to your/my favour". It's not a poker game. For me - playing online is simply senseless if we talk about a level checking. For earning money - yes, it can be good

I think you mean head injury? And that would make a whole lot of sense.
But you are very quickly backing out of this challenge.
So lets not do it for level checking.. lets do it purely for earning money.
You said countless times that you are a professional level player and I have the IQ of a child. Furthemore I dont know the algorithm to the RNG and you do... so lets play! It should be so easy for you to make some money off me. You berated me about my "level" so many times, why are you chickening out? From your statements it should practically be free money to you.

by Johnmir

How many tables do you play in average? And how many tables do those regs play? 3/4/6? Cool. Then you are genius players having salary for being active in the room. Good job at poker gaming, wow!

So the RNG is only rigged if you play less than 3 tables? Thats new one :p So why dont you just multitable and finally make some money? You have spend 540k+ hands (so many hours) losing at poker even though you could have easily won. Thats quite stupid.
Also, I multi-site so quite often I only play 1 or 2 on iPoker since midstakes dont run that well... Does the software knows I am playing other sites as well and adjusts the RNG accordingly?
But again, John in our challenge we can play as many tables at the same time as you like. 1 is fine, 6 is fine, you name it. Just dont chicken out again.

by donjonnie

John I am saying this as politely as I can.

You might not perceive interactions you have in the same way the people interacting with you do.

You seem to either willfully or because of your personality missunderstand peoples intentions.

Yea he does fit the autism category quite well. Although his delusions are a seperate issue. He sees and reads everything through "rigged glasses" and picks certain information and twists other information to fit his crazy story. Information that cant be bend the way he likes he ignores or brushes off as lies.


Johny, You've been told we're all in cahoots and you'll never know our secret to winning tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And if you keep telling your RNG theory, you'll be dealt one card instead of two.


JohnMir, tell the guys about your new theory, when you fold, the software deals the flop a matchup for you to play the next hand. For example, you skip 85o and the flop was AT5 and so the software provokes you to play the next hand


by Johnmir

Roflmao!

Buddy, you are the one who is desperate for attention and yapping about the same dumb **** every other day, getting mocked and ridiculed

This is just cheap entertainment for me as I follow along general online poker news and break up my sessions, laughing at your vast array of nonsense

The funniest thing of late is watching you argue with others about whether you've made a profit playing poker and defending your own supposed expertise

You're busy trying to prove you made $1,000 last decade while I'm up $X00,000+. Hell, I probably made $1,000+ last week and I only play a few hours a day on average. Online poker is not my job. That's how delusional you look. You're out here trying to tell everyone "poker is a waste of a lifetime" when it's really just you who wasted your own time. I just click buttons, take profit, and invest the money

And that's not vague MagRailPro style wording like "winnings" lmao. That's profit for me

But do go on, it's no sweat off my back. You're just another cartoon character itt full of them


by MarkDavis

You can't even stick to your own words m8, you said at the beginning you wouldn't bore people for long but months later.......... I have been so bored with this I watched the paint dry on my walls.You even reject authority unless they agree with you so why would you expect people to do any different than what they have done.If the authorities reject your input then it isn't g

Mark, excuse me,
it's not good that I didn't manage to react in time. I took more communication then I should have taken so I come back only now and read attentively what guys said.

"You can't even stick to your own words m8, you said at the beginning you wouldn't bore people for long but months later.......... I have been so bored with this I watched the paint dry on my walls."

It took me a huge time to discuss simple stuff on the Russian poker forum actually. To be fair, I didn't expect such a long conversation about pretty understandable stuff.
I had to provide several tests of iPoker's software to make sure the game is rigged in several directions of gaming process.

Here, speaking in English, i'm not that good and fluent to explain all the stuff. You can see - I show a screen -


And I expect players to think of that the game is predictable, but I don't see an "adequate" reaction on this.

Just look what Slugant types -

by Slugant

You just show a screenshot of AQo with someone else having KK. If I show a screenshot of AQo with someone having AJo behind me, does that disprove it??? This is non-saying and nobody would regard this as being even close to evidence, which you do a lot.

I mean, people here can't even simply compare "evidence"/"research" and "illustration"/"software nuances". And I had the same problems on Russian forum - but i'm a native speaker there!

ALL you need to know about Pokerstars/iPoker/Partypoker is understandable here -

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

In my opinion, you don't need to know more about this to test EVERYTHING else yourself.

"You even reject authority unless they agree with you so why would you expect people to do any different than what they have done. If the authorities reject your input then it isn't good enough."

I don't remember I said it here. Could you, please, show the phrase of me saying this?

"They employ real mathematics experts to check these things not insurance jockies. Launched any rockets into space lately since you think working in one field makes you an expert in another."

Looks like you are a bit far from understanding different professional spheres man.

1. I was not just "insurance" employee. I literally was an insurance mathematician and my responsibility was to assess variance, measure risks for exactly the same sequences of "random events" as "allins/flop hitting/dominating events" in poker.

More then that, my final work on the cathedra of theory of probabilities and maths statistics was "Analyzing of Texas Hold'em poker data".

I mean, who else fits more for this job of testing software then me? I'm literally professional mathematician. And, to be fair, I don't understand your point here, since I simply posted all the necessary documents. The problem is that people here do not understand who they are talking to.

If you doubt that, you should probably point mistakes in my calculations then? What is your point, I do not understand you since all the documents regarding my qualification was provided here in the chat.

2. I understand, that you try to give a good analogy, but still -

Can you see a difference between launching the rocket and analyzing the data.

You say something like "if you can analyze data and assess variance in insurance - are you sure you can analyze data and assess variance in poker?"

Look, this would be a valid question if I didn't analyze Texas Hold'em poker data in the University under the direction of a professor of mathematics.

"Can you bee a good English translator in finance after been a good translator in international negotiations?"

Well, man, most-likely - yes, after a few study of nuances (small experience). I think so.

But it's not the case I have got a concrete qualification in analyzing card game data. Very strange we discuss this, since I have already shown this here in the chat. What else do you want to see and what can you believe, if you can't believe even this.

I want to hear you answer here. Not like I said something, and you just decided to ignore it. I want to understand that you analyze the information you see here.

By the way your analysis of Party and deposit/break God runs I don't understand

Do you mean those "50 first tournaments" won in every room (except once run with a small minus)?


It's an actual statistics, Mark, what can I do? If you do not trust it, I don't see a problem here.

But I consider trusting GLI сertification even more strange, since it's just a сertificate - I mean, GLI tested the software, but It didn't test that the room doesn't break the law. If a man got a passport and is recognized as a socially well-mannered man, it doesn't mean he can't kill someone. Everyone can break laws, you, me, iPoker. And we are discussing here breaking of laws. Talking about "сertificates" is not a subject here.

But no I still am playing with that same deposit and with a decent profit given the low stakes I play.

Good question. Nice that you share this here. I met this on Pokerstars, when I came back with my money to Pokerstars after a complete withdrawal - I didn't manage to win a ****.

I didn't test this on Party. Just sharing my story.

"Btw I want to state John that no poker player speaking in here wants to be scammed and will take real evidence seriously. Potripper is testament to that. I am a cautious player always looking out for other threats such as bots and the use of RTA which are a scourge and if you put half the the time and effort into that I would commend you but when I look at this all I see is an activist that because he got bruised in the past wants to make sure others can't enjoy the game."

Man, if you want to enjoy the game, and you are sure the game is random, you just ignore my information. But in case I register an evidence of a pure fraud in iPoker, excuse me - but it's my full right to post it here. More then that, it's a question of international laws keeping. Slightly strange to be "against it".

All this discussion shouldn't be recognized as any "negative" acting of me. If it is recognized - for sure, these players support the fraud. And it's just logical. Normal people will NEVER accuse and insult anyone who warns about a scam. This is just "irrational", "sociopathic" - you can call it the way you want to.

"And please do name these people who you claim are getting money for not agreeing with you. Am I one of them? if so where do I collect? I will by you a few drinks."

Excuse me, Mark, but did I really say these people get money for being disagree with me? I said - they are interested in the scam to continue, because they keep insulting me with no arguments saying "your research it wrong" with no providing any argument. Are you disagree? Did anyone provide arguments regarding my research here, may be I missed something?


John in terms of skill level where do you put yourself in a fair non rigged game?

top 10% of players?

top 1% of players?


by Johnmir

In case they decide to "skip" my materials this is a sign of that online-gambling market is totally unregulated. And it's unacceptable. But I did all i could, guys. I can't do more.

You don't decide what is regulated just because they don't believe you. Arrogance on top of naivety.

by Johnmir

The only way - is to close the room (iPoker net) with a help of Gambling supervision authorities in case these organizations are not interested in the fraud to be alive too.

Cause here, on the forum, there is a huge number of people who earn money while taking part in the world-wide scam. Sign.

Where's my money? I want €50k per post here.

You said Party was rigged in the same way.

Anyway have fun, my final post here I am not wasting any more time and if something meaningful does happen I am sure it won't appear here first. GL.


John certainly is a lot of things in his own mind. Now he is a developer of statistical software (that nobody buys), he was an insurance mathematician and expert tennis coach. Aside from being a professional level poker player stuck losing at the micros of course.
Meanwhile its just an unemployed Russian babbling incoherently on poker forums and youtube.

But i am still waiting for 2 things John.

1) You livestream a session and actually guess the turn/river cards before they come up. This way we can tell if you truly know the algorithm or you are just making stuff up. Showing screenshots where your AQ is an underdog to KK doenst quite cut it.

2) You can also still not be a total coward and accept my HU challenge. You call yourself professional level at everything and you say I have the IQ of a child and dont know anything about poker. How can you lose???? Lets start today, 500nl. You can choose which site and how many tables we play...

Dont chicken out again or someone might think all you do is lie and you never act on your claims.


by Slugant

John certainly is a lot of things in his own mind. Now he is a developer of statistical software (that nobody buys), he was an insurance mathematician and expert tennis coach. Aside from being a professional level poker player stuck losing at the micros of course.Meanwhile its just an unemployed Russian babbling incoherently on poker forums and youtube.But i am still waiting fo

LOL, you try to get people into headsup challenges now, after you dodged me in a live headsup challenge?
Hahaha
It must have hurt your ego cellar troll boy.
All you do all day is posting dumb comments in this forum, while twisting facts and making up lies, just to deceive yourself and others into the illusion that you are good at poker, and important in life.

And your strongest most pathetic argument/verbal shortcut: "Conspiracy theorist". LOL

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