The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Now hold on now. Just wait one cotton-pickin' minute.

J'accuse!

You, sir, are not only another crazy riggie, but you're also a danged lowlife plagiarist. 😡

You are simply repeating my 2015 copyrighted hypothesis just by changing the name of the site from 888poker to iPoker.

The nerve of some people. My evidence is at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... and https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp..., in this very thread.

At dawn, we shall resolve this.

That one will fly right over his head

Yes, exactly. I totally agree with your point.

But this time, Mike, it's proved with a comprehensive confidence level. iPoker rig the game - it's a fact.

And UKGC (and, also Curacao Gaming Control Board) have got this information from me. Will they react? Let's see.

At the same time, guys, I wanna stress, that all those guys, who shows a clear interest in keeping the fraud alive will simply ignore the info and keep talking about my and your results in game. So, this conversation here on the forum is simply useless.

The only way - is to close the room (iPoker net) with a help of Gambling supervision authorities in case these organizations are not interested in the fraud to be alive too.

Cause here, on the forum, there is a huge number of people who earn money while taking part in the world-wide scam. Sign.

P.S. Guys, now I will try to read the latest chat attentively and to react some interesting comments. Brb, lol.

Guys, before we continue discussing current situation with the fraud on iPoker (from my side) and other online-poker rooms, I would like to draw your attention what is going on here on the forum in this thread. Which people are taking part in the discussion.

While many players here provide concrete numbers and calculations. Provide concrete materials of rigging the game.
Other participants who can't provide any numbers nor competent any further then "it's poker, it's variance" level of conversation - it's a fact, these people haven't provided any calculations of variance in poker, they have no idea what the variance is, because variance - is a concrete value for each distance, and for each random sequence of events.

What they do.

Slugant asks me If any concrete results my communications with Great Britain gave. And I answer -

Now look. Some other guy with a nickname JustJoke (obviously from a Russian poker forum appears) -

A guy with a nickname "JustJoke" - accusing me lying for no reason. And just disappears. Read his nickname. Will an adequate respectable person choose a nickname "JustJoke" to communicate with players on the famous international forum?

I keep doing investigations, keep trying to explain players what is going on in iPoker, and provide a detailed message -
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

The first reaction on my message, just read it attentively.

Is it sarcasm? Can you find any argument in the speech?

And, again. What the nickname of the guy - "Hell is real"? I mean, guys... Okay. Nothing to add here.

The second reaction.

And now look. In stead of discussing the materials. What they do -

It's a shame actually. Cause professional players with any merit won't EVER let themself to discuss 9K hands, 2-3 days of playing and refer to this as an ANY significant statistics in poker gaming.

Since they go for this discussion, they automatically loose any respect of other pro players. This is incompetent talk of people, who earn money "somehow" on a rigged poker sites.

Then Donjonnie appears. And, guys, I don't want to insult anyone, it's just a fact. His nickname on the forum starts from lcase letter "d", not a "D".

He says to me -

Is it disrespectful? Yes, for sure. But okay, I don't know this guy.

But in the other topic he types -
“John you are wasting your time with curacao. They dont even act on real grievances and wont even respond to your made up accusations.”
https://twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58973...

"The random screenshots you post and pretend like they are entire tournaments show your delusion and very low level of thinking you employ regarding poker."

So, he didn't watch the materials attentively. Didn't check the statistics I provided. But, while we discuss pretty serious situation about fooling people all over the world he insult me personally, and announce "made up accusations".

Does this guy support the fraud? For sure. He is supporting the fraud towards other people, cause it's profitable for himself.

Now look at the comment of TeflonDawg, he demonstrates at least acceptable level of objectivity in the discussion, but -

My reasonable question is -

Pay attention to that i'm answering him while I keep providing a concrete numbers, concrete information about the fraud. And I provide all the materials for overview. I keep a pretty high level of communication regarding the topic of the thread.

His answer -

He didn't just ignore my question about behavior of people, who insult me and others here for no reason, he confirmed that it's normal to insult others.

And in few days he says -

Where did I insult him?
Even if I did, don't you think it's a hypocrisy to "mention" insulting?

Most of these players can't react in any competent way.
They can't analyze information.
They can't even recognize "what statistics did players use for the analysis" and "what they show".

They are simply incompetent in the terms of legality of online poker-sites discussion. But, at the same time, they are openly interested in the fraud to continue. And it's a fact. In this chat they ACT according to protect the scam of several poker sites.

Any questions, comments to this. You agree/disagree with what?

I installed Holdem Manager 2 in june of 2018th.

And this is my statistics from 11.06.2018 to 09.08.2018 on Pokerstars.

You can see I won 425$ playing only 7$+ limit.

I realyzed that the software "stops" rising of my bankroll, and you can check it here -
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Pay attention to that i'm a professional level player, and i'm an expert financial risk analyst so I provide concrete numbers about probable variance.

You are not a competent player, nor competent analyst, otherwise you would manage to provide a comprehensive information about my gameplay on a sharkscope.

And I left Pokerstars. I withdrawn all the money and moved the funds to Partypoker.

When I managed to realyze what is going on in Partypoker and managed to prove statistically that Partypoker is rigged and the room controls profitability of players.

I decided to come back to Pokerstars to describe the software algorithm of the room.

So, when I came back to Pokerstars in 2019, and due to my complete withdrawal of funds in 2018th. The software totally blocked winning for my account.

Here you can see that I played around 200 7$ SnGs with almost zero result and went to play micros to test the software and to describe the algorithm. I successfully made that, and I got a statistical prove that Pokerstars is rigging the game.

I have also got a clear description of hands distributing in Pokerstars. But as a result of using this algorithm the software simply blocks winning any allins on a bubble/ on the final table.

Now, you can continue your incompetent talk of a poker newcomer about my personal conditions and sides of character.

P.S. I have played poker since 2006. I only played micros first two years of studying poker. My avg. limit was 10$+ tournaments.

I have never used trackers before 2018. In 2008 I developed my own tracker for Full Tilt Poker and for Bet365

And realized that this is actually useless, since the key ability in poker gaming - understanding of the Current situation on the table, current opponent's strategy/mental condition/tournament stage strategy.

@Johnmir How do you define "a professional level player" ?

You can't even stick to your own words m8, you said at the beginning you wouldn't bore people for long but months later.......... I have been so bored with this I watched the paint dry on my walls.

You even reject authority unless they agree with you so why would you expect people to do any different than what they have done.

If the authorities reject your input then it isn't good enough. They employ real mathematics experts to check these things not insurance jockies. Launched any rockets into space lately since you think working in one field makes you an expert in another.

By the way your analysis of Party and deposit/break God runs I don't understand, Why haven't Party tore me a new arse hole yet given I returned from a big break and deposited in March 24. I should have run better than Moses did vs the Pharoahs and should be feeling intense pain by now. But no I still am playing with that same deposit and with a decent profit given the low stakes I play.

Btw I want to state John that no poker player speaking in here wants to be scammed and will take real evidence seriously. Potripper is testament to that. I am a cautious player always looking out for other threats such as bots and the use of RTA which are a scourge and if you put half the the time and effort into that I would commend you but when I look at this all I see is an activist that because he got bruised in the past wants to make sure others can't enjoy the game.

And please do name these people who you claim are getting money for not agreeing with you. Am I one of them? if so where do I collect? I will by you a few drinks.

John lolol, you understand he was trolling you right??
He just lists a bunch of hands and flops with no backing whatsoever (like your excel sheets)
The fact that you take this seriously and see this as evidence does speak volumes to you being a walking dunning-kruger example

I actually provided a lot of helpful information, especially considering variance.
Because you dont understand variance doesnt mean normal poker player dont
The larger the sample size the more accurate is the winrate (or how closer it is to the "actual winrate"
And while you provide a snippet of 450 tournaments I show you've played 11k of them with a loss (all at microstakes)
I show a sample of you 25 times the size of what you show. What I show of you is actual concrete numbers of your winning and stakes played. What you show is a very small sample of your best results, it doesnt work that way😉

I also provided independent companies testing the RNG and proving it is in fact random. What you provide is self-made excel sheets

Is you see it this way John. Why do you constantly show screenshots of you playing around 400 tournaments as a sample that proves rigging???? That does not comply
In fact you've shown just random screenshots of a couple of hands that prove rigging. You say these hands were after each other but we can see from the button moving that they arent. But these are just a couple of hands. Nowhere near the sample size of 9k which you say is meaningless....

You are not, you are fooling yourself. The highest limit you've played is 10nl & one $15, the rest lower sng's. Over 11k micro tournaments you've made loss at microstakes. At 30k cash game at 10nl you've lost -20bb/100 on ipoker & pokerstars. You are the exact opposite of a professional level player (dunning-kruger effect again).

And if you are the level of financial risk analyst that you are a poker player you are the worst financial risk analyst out there. But we all know you are not a financial risk analyst.

I am nowhere near world class but I am a professional level player in the fact that i've been a professional poker for over 15 years and my hourly is more than what you've made out of poker in your lifetime. But then again, that holds true for someone who never played poker.
The sharkscope is as comprehensive as it needs. It shows way more data than your very small samples and it shows you losing at microstakes over 11k tournaments (and these are the results of a "professional level player" lolol)

All you have proven with that screenshot is that once again you've played 4k micro tournaments with an roi of -5,38%. It shows no rigging, it justs shows you losing. Which you do everywhere so it makes sense.

You haven't. What you've done is made a bunch of excel and word files where you filled in the data.

If you only knew yours
You are a lot like Paisting. He has lost almost every month of his life but lately he had a winning month. To you this proves that every other month the site was rigged because he won once but lost all the rest.

You are not an expert at anything John. Its not that big of a deal. Just accept the facts and move on. But you cant, because that would mean realizing you are a failure.

Someone who is in whole lifetime has never left the micro's and actually made a loss apparently

Explain to me this John.

If you winning at sample X but losing over sample Y, why do you think that is proof that sample X is correct and sample Y is rigged against you???
With 100% the exact same logic and reasoning it proves that sample Y is correct and sample X is rigged in favour of you!
Especially since sample Y is 25 times bigger and therefore way more accurate than sample X

You use a reasoning for your "proof" but if that same reasoning works the opposite way its not proof at all, its useless. An expert data analyst should know this right 🙂

I'm done for today. #ACR

😃

Amazing, this is still possible to prove, because if we take my analysis – it is based on a computer modeling (simulations) in Excel. It means, that some another RNG (of excel) produces much more acceptable deviations from an expected distribution behavior.

I mean, if you can see 10 AA hands in a row on some final stage of a huge MTT… It’s impossible to stand on “it was dealt by pseudo RNG”… Since here is a clear intention of the software takes place to deal 10 times in a row this huge hand in a specific moment of the tourney and nowhere else.

I mean, if RNG of a room “suddenly” produce something critical according to a concrete logic in game (like the software of iPoker did) – they can’t say “that was just a deviation of pseudo RNG”, lol. Dealing to some concrete guy 10 AA’s in a row to win the final table of $1 000 000 MTT? Sure… Of cause it’s just some “repeat” of what? ))

First of all…
I can’t believe you are an adult man, but typing this.
Mate, if someone gets a medicine doctors degree and all the “documents” to provide operations no one will stop this surgeon to break the law and come to the operation being drunk.
Are you serious typing this?

The owner and the software developer of iPoker is Playtech PLC.
The owner and the developer of Pokerstars software is Flutter Entertainment.

Even if you make the audit of it’s software right after auditors left the building they can simply turn another software on and keep fooling people.
Funny comment of a 10 years old kid. You are an ace. “Why did this driver broke the law, he has got a professional taxi driver license”, I’m rofling.

Man… To be fair, you, personally, look like a mentally unstable person. You can keep conversation on a acceptable level, always missing facts, commenting others personalities which are not even a subject of discussion, lol.
And several people noticed that you behave in a very specific way… Like you need to insult someone to feel better 😃

Johnmir bro you are wasting your time with these lowlifes.
They just want attention and will drain you out, so they can keep claiming their bs. They are flying apes and trolls. You can not take them for real.

LOLOL is this how you think an RNG-check works?

They dont invite an independent company specialized in this stuff (no not a disgruntled microstakes loser) into the building and switch their RNG rig-software on or off.
Is this really what you think? It must be really hard living in such a matrix world.

They did analysis over lengthy period of time over millions and millions of hands. If you actually looked into this you would know. You make assumptions over 400 tournaments, they are in fact the expert data analysts you claim to be and used samples 1000 (!) as large.

You again skipped all the questions again though, answer me this:
If you are winning at sample X but losing over sample Y, why do you think that is proof that sample X is correct and sample Y is rigged against you???
With 100% the exact same logic and reasoning it proves that sample Y is correct and sample X is rigged in favour of you!
Especially since sample Y is 25 times bigger and therefore way more accurate than sample X

You seem to structurally not understand sample size.
Or variance, or winning poker, or facts or just basic common sense really.

You said that among other things

Then it's revealed later itt you're literally a fish

+ that pic showing you with cash game losses at the micros...

Thread delivers

I mean, this is a guy that thinks an actual data analysis company just walks right into the office of playtech and flutter and goes "Hey, we are here to check the RNG"
And then playtech/flutter officials secretly switch the RNG rigging switch to Normal and when they leave to switch it back to "Screw Johnmir over"

This is a guy who doesnt realises when someone is obviously trolling him by naming random hole cards & flops. In fact he calls it "conclusive evidence" hahahaha

This is a guy who thinks he is an expert because he once won playing 450 sng's but ignores the fact he was losing over 11.000 sng's. And ignores the fact over 30k hands he is losing -20bb/100 at 10nl. Even Paisting has better results this year. Imagine that John, you are worse than Paisting. A guy known on this forum for being really really really bad😃

He probably has a bigger chance making money writing screenplays with his mental condition than playing poker yet he spends his days losing at microstakes and making incoherent and non-saying excel sheets

MRP, guys.

Wanna warn you to be attentive while using chat GPT and Deep Seek. We have already used it a lot in Russian poker forum. And these AIs helped us to repeat my research calculations. Successfully.

But, if we talk about some stuff regarding "common" logic, or methodology developing, for example - "How could I forecast my ROI on spin&go tournaments?". The bot commits serious logical mistakes. Which can be (sometimes) only visible to professionals in the topic of the question/problem.

For example, before we managed to check my calculations regarding rigging of a postflop vs a sit-out player. It tried to calculate it using totally wrong methodology, and in case I wasn't a pro analyst, guys would think I miscalculated waves of flop hitting probabilities.

So, be careful while using AI. It's not THAT smart yet. You should read attentively what he answers you. And check it's LOGIC - first of all, and only then - use his hints/calculations/assessments.

I'm not 100% agree here, because all the changes are visible on a distance for a professional-level analysts. And the problem is rather described in the chapter 3 of his answer.

Guys, i'm a professional business-analyst and a project manager.
Look, what do these positions mean, what were my responsibilities?

Managing and optimization of business processes - communication between departments, communication with clients, databases full filling, analysis of projects/products/marketing activities profitability. Managing financial projects. Finding and solving "risk" points in processes/projects.

Yes, ChatGPT is totally right here.
In case auditors do not control the gaming process 24/7 and all the information regarding hands played - they can't assure us online-casino doesn't rig the game. It's simply impossible, even in case Playtech PLC nor Flutter Entertainment were not both developers of the software and owners of iPoker net and Pokerstars rooms, respectively.

And here is the key problem. And this is exactly what PartyPoker, Pokerstars and iPoker do.

Once you play the game where all the players show their hands after each game cone, you will understand that. I have already played such games, because I show every significant hand to players while playing. And sometimes many players on the table start to show almost every hand after the game cone ended.

How this looks, and what rooms do.

Let's say, i'm getting some premium hands, and it's a push-fold stage of a tournament. I will just illustrate you -

You can see that I got dealt AJ. And some other guy on Big Blinds gets AK.

Let's imagine I decided to fold this hand cause of very high prizes in the MTT tournament. Let's watch the next hand -

Can you see AKs on the blind blind? (guys, I don't know how to mark BB position, it's just a calculator for odds).

So, if I decide to push my AQ - I will meet AKs, right?

If I decide to fold - everyone will just fold, rigth? So, in case I decided to fold my AQo - noone will see that a guy on a big blind got dealt a huge hand again.

Now let's watch the next hand -

And, once again, I got a huge hand. But - Big Blind guy got KK. I push, and I lose the MT tournament on a buble.

What are the chances to meet AK or better / KK or better on a big blind 3 times in a row?

It's - 2%*2%*2% = 0,0008% (8 cases of 1 million). Right?

BUT - you will never prove this, cause you will only see a huge hand ONCE - right when you decided to push. All the other huge hands will remain hidden, because everyone folded preflop/postflop before the showdown.

This is just amazing. Really.
Yes, I have heard that PokerDom has got software algorithm implemented which is similar to iPoker and Pokerstars.

Guys, excuse me, I haven't got too much time to answer too often. I wanna answer in a comprehensive manner, don't like "surface" communication, not deep enough. So I will, probably react on older posts... And not in time 😀

In case you want to be sure online poker game on iPoker and Pokerstars is a predictable sequence of positive/negative game cones, guys -

Just import these hands, which were played by me (if you have got Holdem Manager / Hand 2 note installed on your PC) -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ajfwi6l...

After you watch these tournaments (played by me) you will be sure the game is predictable, but, it's still impossible to win more, then the software allows you. This is just for those, who wanna know how the rooms work.

Have fun, and be careful... It's impressive, really.

John Do you realize what you've just shown??
That is a cardmates online calculator, its shown in the screenshots

These are not hand histories or data, you filled in those hands yourself.
And then you say: What are chances of this happening 0,0008% LOLOL no its 100% because you filled in those hand combinations. You cannot say "now watch this next hand". It isnt the next hand, its just the next set of combinations you've put in. This is not data poor silly John.

Look at this crazy hh, what are the chances right?????

You are getting more delusional by the day

If you were capable of doing this you would have quit poker years ago

We actually dont need to download a snippet of your hand histories. The majority of your hands is publicly available online and tell the true story. That you are a lifetime microstakes loser living in a fairy tale.

Guys, excuse me, this link works properly -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MQJooyc...

Special comment to -

Slugant, it's fun, concentrate man -

Man, just try to read before reacting, it usually works 😉

To show the idea I used odds calculator, just to input hands and ILLUSTRATE how rooms work.

But an illustration doesnt prove anything. And thats what I illustrated with my pair hands all round. Its completely meaningless.

But have you already read how a RNG certificate company works? They dont use cardmates calculator I tell you that. Or do you still think that they just walk right into the office or playtech and flutter and go "Hey, we are here to check the RNG"
And then playtech/flutter officials secretly switch the RNG rigging switch to Normal and when they leave to switch it back to "Screw Johnmir over"

Do you still believe this tale?

@Johnmir Can you also please answer how you define "a professional level player" as you are yet to advise on this one. Thanks.

okay John at this point it has become clear that you are doing some kind of performance and a decent one at that you really had me convinced for a while.

But there is simply no way you are for real. you had me fooled.

The reason i told you you are wasting your time on curacao by the way is that it is well known among people who have an understanding of the gaming industry is that they dont care.

curacao is considered unregulated their seal is worth nothing. There have been hundreds of curacao regulated casinos over the years who just straight out steal players money.

Thats how casinos and gaming operators steal from players thats how they do it not by some weird rig.

you are making one super obvious mistake in a lot of your analysis. So far i havent pointed it out because this is pretty entertaining. Lets see if get it by yourself you professional level player and expert analyst.

it has to do mainly with your opened hands " analysis" if you dont get it by yourself just ask for a hint and i will give you one.

But again i am convinced at this point that you must be joking around there is no way you are serious. if you were serious i would be quite impressed that you are able to switch on your pc unsassisted.

He is not just making one super obvious mistake in his "analysis"
Its basically a collection of super obvious mistakes.

You can say "if you see 30 AA in a row"... but you didnt, you never showed 30 simultaneous hands. You just show screenshots of AJ being behind against AK 3 times in a row like it means something.

And you say 469 hands is enough to prove its rigged 99,99% LOLOL
then 40k cash game hands and 11k tournaments (probably over 500k hands) definitely prove 100% you are a very clueless microstakes loser at all sites and games

But why are you ignoring this question?