Israel/Palestine thread

where did I say I support this act?

regardless, this was not a "kill the supporters" in the same sense as lucium. this was the killing of an active participant. he worked for an embassy doing a genocide.

nothing surprises me about you guys anymore. but you are, like usual, being dishonest. they revel in the murder 16, 17 month olds.

this just came out in Haretz today

https://archive.md/yI4Dy#selection-1239....

protesters in the USA tried peaceful protest. it was met with violence and incarceration. they tried Buddhist style self immolation. those people were painted as mentally ill idiots. so this is the next step.

You just have to live in Victor’s reality where America and anyone tangentially connected to it and his perverted idea of “western colonialism” or whatever is evil. On the other hand, the governments in places like Iran, Gaza and NK are bastions of human rights and civility.

It's really provincial to think a critique of colonialism must mean support for Kim Jong Un.

literally contradicting yourself in the same post.

I think it's a good possibility that that people who set themselves on fire are mentally ill idiots.

Also, I'm surprised that 100% of Israelis don't want the Gazans transferred after dealing with them for so many years.

those are the facts of the situation. thats not me endorsing it. tbh I am on the fence which is absurd bc on Oct 7th I was fully against armed resistance. but there really can be no peace with fascist genocidal rapists. what gives me reticence with these 2 is that despite them fully supporting the genocide, rhetorically with their tweets and materially with their job for the Israeli gov, they werent really all that important or holding any power.

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It is actually a sick joke that the rest of the world is so accepting of how Hamas holds Gaza hostage, ensuring things go as bad as they can. Could you imagine any other government, military or aid agency distributing aid in such a ridiculous, unprofessional fashion? Of course not. The rest of the world would not stand for it.

Yet with Hamas, literally no depravation is too much that it cant be hand waived away. Be it public torture, murder, intimidation, firing automatic rifles in public spaces, firing rockets from hospitals and refugee tents, and on and on and on.

But the instrumental objections to it simply would just be the objection to it. Unless there was some principle against vigilante tactics in general, then if you leave it on the table but still disagree with this application that would just be to say you don’t think people should be doing this.

So then I just wonder why you say it’s the logical next step when you are then saying that you shouldn’t do it. If you evaluate the situation and say it’s a bad move, then that’s just to say we shouldn’t logically do it, no?

Nissim Vaturi, Deputy Speaker of the Knesset, called for Gaza’s women and children to be separated so the men can be executed en masse.

"The past 24 hours were all part of a planned ambush we knew about. This was a coordinated sequence of moves ahead of the EU meeting in Brussels – and thanks to joint efforts by our ambassadors and the foreign minister, we managed to moderate the outcome."

The current outrage as is orchestrated as was the earlier silence. No one in our governments cares about the Palestinians or their extermination. Their only concern is the optics.

Ah I see, so you prefer no outrage and everything the same.
dully noted.

Dully indeed.

a moderate viewpoint. the recent poll had 47% of Israelis Jews supporting the exterminating all, including the women and children.

And we are all expected not to comment on this because of the consequences of saying anything accurate but negative about Israel.

it might turn people off to the Palestinian cause according to liberals in this thread.

Making too much of those sorts of polls is the thing toothsayer used to do about Muslims

They are very weak evidence at best.

the polls reinforce the rhetoric of the leaders and the actions of their army, of which all Israeli Jews served or still serve in. so no, not like Toothsayer. need to stop appeasing Israeli Extremists by downplaying or validating their ideology. its on the same level as ISIS.

The endorsement is very dangerous. It's how well these polls reflect what people believe that is so dubious and superficial

It's also letting Netanyahu & co off the hook. He is not doing what his people want. He is a monster creating a new reality .

He's a monster who isn't extreme enough for many Israelis.

Yep. I agree with that

I think the person denying reality is yourself. this isnt on Bibi. its on the whole society and every indication shows overwhelming support from them.

its also on Western leaders, esp from the USA, Germany and the UK.

I accept you think that.