GTO Wizard for Live No-Limit Players

I'm gonna spend an hour everyday studying for a month, some days studying more, then cancel my subscription and do my real work. Think of it as a month in AI instead of one night in Vegas. Why walk?

AI never donks. Only live players donk.

I'm working on these spots, thanks Tomark

Hero in CO vs V in BB, single raised pot.
V in CO vs Hero in the SB, 3bet pot.

Instead of wasting my time on 2+2, I'm gonna now review these spots.

Okay, fair enough. I always say to not overthink the best place to start studying and just dive in, and you'll end up learning what you need to study by studying, so cheers.

If you keep this up, by the end of the month you will have studied more than any poster in this sub has in their entire lifetime, save for like a dozen or so.

After 140 minutes watching the 45 minute intro, I liked it better than the last time, when I spent 30 minutes on the same video. Learning curve is steep, thousands maybe millions of ways to display the various metrics in spots. The twenty-two years old narrator lacks appreciation for the wisdom of slowing down during screenshots, the data is tiny font. I agree GTO tells you more about EV than strategy. I'm still gonna run some hands through AI to the turn on strategy, locking nodes to get my money's worth. But I'm focusing on filtering hands on the flop, range checks and bets, comparing range over range, and other theory nomenclature I don't understand.

I'm telling my wife: I'm going the casino, and I lost 149 dollars. Secretly, I'm going to the library to study the GTO subscription coming out of my bankroll.

Your confidence is higher than AI or the OP

I believe some sophisticated players may be able to find a donk bluff here, I guess. But I've never seen it. Flush completing cards are THE quintessential 'scare cards' for low stakes players even more than turns pairing the board. And they tend to play flush draws passively on the flop.

Neither of your descriptions make me think they are capable of bluffing when the flush comes in when we never checked, and we even bet more than 1/2 pot on the flop.

Even if I'm wrong are we going to call down facing aggression? Unless the V gives up, we're just going to fold to any reasonably sized river bet. Or are you planning on bluff catching when V bets 20bb on the river?

So at the end of the day, even if I'm wrong about V having a flush it seems -EV to call here with no chance to meaningfully improve vs the range V is representing.

100 BB, 9 Max. V in CO opens 2.3. Hero in SB raises to 11.5 with (88+, ATs+, KTs+, down to QJs, AQo+. No AJo or JTs.). V calls

Flop (24): QsTs6d

Hero?

GTO adapted to thresholds
AA-KK bet
JJ check
QQ check looking to check-raise or call
TT check or, against a sticky player, bet
FD bet
OESD bet
AK bet with a spade or, against a sticky player, check. Check raise with a spade?
AsKs check looking to check-raise
AQ bet
KQs bet
QTs bet
Checking everything else

I like this one

100BB, 9max. V in CO opens 2.3. Hero in SB raises to 11.5 with (88+, ATs+, KTs+, down to QJs, AQo+. No AJo or JTs.).

Flop (24): AsTs9d

Hero GTO? Range check, except betting a few combos of AK

V bets 12 Hero?

Calls AA, KsKx, QsQx, JsJx, AQ, AJs, AdXd, KsQs, KdQd, JsJx
Raise AK, TT, A9s-ATs
Fold KK, QQ, JJ, AX, KTs+ no spade

What's up with the range bets and range checks? Anyone use them live? Multiway? One more, then I'll wait 24+ hours for answers.

100BB, 9max. V in CO opens 2.3. Hero GTO in SB raises to 11.5 with (88+, ATs+, KTs+, down to QJs, AQo+. No AJo or JTs.). V calls

Flop (24): KQJr

Hero GTO range bets 6.

V calls with 85 percent, folds 99, 88 etc., raises a few KQs

Turn 2c

Hero GTO bets 24.5 with 2/3 his range.

Oh, I'm sure. Was more of a push for you to use it differently (Eg. follow Tomark's previous advice, as you did).

Also, if it makes you feel better...
When I first started studying seriously, because I was having massive swings live, I tilt bought the $1k yearly RIU sub. (was only a one session downswing at the time, so practically free) and I'm pretty sure that was a much worse investment than your $150.

TBF I would 100% range check at 1-2, mainly because if V has KK/QQ/JJ they can fold way more than GTO but even more so because lots of Vs with AA/AK are very likely to check here, so betting even AQ is terrible.

I personally find the range bets/checks to be some of the most useful things solvers give you, and I use them a lot (likely too much at first), but one of the big things is to know how you are responding on later streets because of the range check on previous streets (and also you have to actually range check ... and not saying you are doing it but then bet some part of the range).

Rainbow Low Connected

H in SB v. V on BTN, 3bet pot: Cash 9max, 150 BB, rake 5%. Nodes locked to one 50% pot bet. Close to live ranges where hero is oop against a capped loose-passive.

Hero opens 10 in HJ with 16.3% of his range. V in CO calls. Blinds fold.

Flop (19 after rake): 975r

GTO bets 35 percent of its range.
Hero bets 10: 55, 77, 99+, and bdfd AKs, A9s+, K9s, T8s+, 98s (4.5 percent)
V calls
Turn (38 after rake): 2c
Hero bet 25: 55, 77, 99+, and suited clubs.
Check/fold everything else.

Monochrome Two Broadway

H in SB v. V on BTN, 3bet pot: Cash 9max, 150 BB, rake 5%. Nodes locked to one 50% pot bet. Close to live ranges where hero is oop against a capped loose-passive.

Hero opens 10 in HJ with 16.3% of his range. V in CO calls. Blinds fold.

Flop (19 after rake): KsQs6s

GTO range checks, bets only 15 percent of range: 66, AT, and AsX
Hero checks
V bets 10
Hero?
Calls QQ+, AQ+, AsJx, KQ+, QTs+, JTs, made flush
Fold: 55-JJ, etc.

Anybody play these spots differently live?

Slightly wider range in spot 1 (JTs/J8s/88 probably a lot more than 5% of my 98s, probably not supposed to have any 97s/86s but that doesn't mean it's true and I'd bet those). Decent chance I check AKs/AQs/AJs with BDFD too, depending on a bunch of things. Also not sure what T8s+ means, but I'm probably not betting KJs and QTs is a mix at best.

Slightly different/smaller range in spot 2 (no AT and not all AsX, but at least mix QQ, and some flushes).

If you are using GTO Wizard strategies to play live poker then you aren’t understanding what makes live poker profitable.

You can figure out the story in a children’s book by looking at the pictures but it’s probably still a good idea to learn to read.

Just cancelled my subscription. I spent about 25 hours working with it. I like the visual display of the data. Taking notes and thinking about ranges were helpful exercises. In profits on the tables, my ROI on the $159 one-month investment is definitely less seven years.

Shame on GTOWizard for the rip-off Elite version with the AI ranges on flops are suitable for the Journal for Irreproducible Results. The unsolved problems GTOWizard tries to solve with AI produce different strategies under the same conditions. How can you ask, why is AI coming to this result when the results are irreproducible?

Reading thru your thread here are a few thoughts.

First, of course people implement range checks and range bets live, and not just from a gto perspective, but from an exploitative one. Im surprised you havent run across this concept, its gaining a lot of popularity.

Second, I think the knuckleheads who think gto is a waste of time are simply not zeroing in on the reason you would study it.

The #1 reason to study gto isnt to copy its strategies, its to be able to understand errors in your opponent’s strategies and exploit them. If you understand the calling thresholds of GTO, then youll be able to suss out where your opponent is overcalling or overfolding.

The #2 reason is learning nes strategies, and is more like viewing the strategy of a highly skilled opponent, and then implementing a few of their strategies into your game, which you think might be profitable, such as the co vs bb srp example I gave using bb as the stand in for a limpers range. There are a huge number of strategies i have gleaned from GTO outputs, and there are also a huge number I have wholly ignored (like, GTO 4 bet ranges is probably the most obvious example of something you dont want to implement at 1/3)

As for the AI solves, i agree its mostly a waste of money. I think the $50/mo subscription is enough the vast majority of the time. It makes me really annoyed theyve locked depths other than 100 BB behind a $90/mo tier, it annoyed me enough that im not currently paying for GTO. To me the middle tier might be worth it for online players who want to use the hand history reports. The $150 tier is mostly for players who are high stakes professionals, and just make so much playing poker that they dont care its $100 more per month.